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Topic: Being Saved? To those who claim to believe
AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 04/10/11 10:58 AM
This was posted above...

"John 12:47

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not:
KJV


yes this is true its free choice but the laws of motion tell you he will fall. "

On the contrary...

the laws of HUMAN motion (which pertains to this statement) tell us that he will TAKE ANOTHER STEP.

Mankind is made to stand erect... When one loses his balance one STEPS to regain it.

and the journey goes on.

msharmony's photo
Sun 04/10/11 10:58 AM



I say if you are baptised in JC's name and continue in that name you are not saved. That you are decieving yourself. Prove me wrong. for both our good..Shalom..Miles


I dont understand the question...

are you asking if being baptised in jesus name is a deception if you also live in jesus name?


JC is the prophicied name to come.. not the Messiah.

John 5:43-44
43 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
NKJV


He did not come in the name JC. all ministers know that.

The Evil one what will he be like?

2 Cor 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
NKJV


How many could he decieve?

Matt 24:24-25
24 For false chr-sts and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect . 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
NKJV

The Ministers of Light what are they going to Preach?

2 Cor 11:4

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Yahshua, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel , which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him
KJV


Did they preach JC?

Did they keep the Law?

The Evil one who transforms himself into an Angel of Light who decieves almost the whole world..

Could it be Yahshua.. What name did he come in?

Or JC who is all over the world and what does his teachings teach? Another Evangel.

Thats why we must study to sgew ourself approved and in our time of need Yahweh promices to..

Luke 21:14-19
14 Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 17 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. 18 But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 19 By your patience possess your souls.
NKJV

Bringing to rememberance all things..

Thats what the Spirit in Yahshua did when cornered by the pharasees.

Thier are many places that tell us what to look for but we don't study so we can not see.. Yahweh will open doors if you will only let him.

The name JC has no power anywhere but where people let him. Yahshua did not let him.. Blessings...Miles



my understanding is that Yhwh is actually a transitive verb describing GOD, not a proper name as we are used to, and that he didnt ever supply a PROPER name, but the description 'I AM' , and 'HE IS'

I would suppose as well that God existed BEFORE hebrew did and was therefore not always called by the HEBREW description of 'HE IS'

which causes me to conclude that it was not the 'proper' noun he would ever wish us to concern ourself with, but the ESSENCE of who he is and the significance of the FACT that he is

Yeshua, likewise, is a descriptive phrasing (by my understanding) formed by combining Ye and Shua,,,meaning YHWH is salvation

through years of a changing alphabet, some of the consonants were changed, but the MEANING remained the same

,,,just my two cents



Abracadabra's photo
Sun 04/10/11 11:11 AM

Oh but you are incorrect. God told us prophecies of the coming of Jesus. Jesus was prophesied about long before he came. It is not HIS fault that people did not believe he was the one that was prophesied to come. The old testament/old law told us Jesus would come to complete the law and give us a new one. So no they were not doing as God instructed them to do. Yes, they were doing PART of what God had instructed. But failed miserably with particularly Jesus.



Oh cut it out with all that prophecy nonsense. You say "God told us prophecies..." Were you there? Did you hear God?

Those so-called "prophecies" were WRITTEN DOWN.

Later they were read the ideas were stolen.. and then when the Piso Family started writing their scriptures and plagiarizing older scriptures they had all the information they needed to write stories about how those prophecies came to pass.

All fiction.

None of that can be taken seriously.


True wisdom again. flowers

There have never been any secular scientists who have been impressed by these extremely convoluted, inconsistent, and self-contradictory tales. Moreover, any so-called "prophecy" that anyone can point to is so utterly vague and incoherent that it's not even worthy of consideration.

Even the seriously devout Jews themselves did not accept those absurd claims. And neither did the Muslims.

There's nothing there worthy of note.

Besides, the actual prophecy was that this "messiah" was going to become the KING of the Jews. Jesus was a nobody in terms of social status. He wasn't even an officially recognized rabbi!

It's obvious from the gospels that the scribes and Pharisees were clearly at odds with Jesus. They would have never officially sanctioned him as an official rabbi.

Jesus was a rebel, rebelling against the religious authorities of the time.

And the religion at the time most certain did have their God instructing people to kill heathens, blasphemers, and even stone sinners to death. Because clearly that's what they were doing even according to these stories.

So if Jesus was crucified for blaspheme the blood of that event is entirely on the God's hands who had directed people to kill heathens and blasphemers because Jesus certainly qualified as a heathen and blaspheme. He was constantly teaching against the teachings of the Torah, and calling the religious authorities hypocrites.

He was an religious extremist himself!

If he even existed at all!

In fact, I'm certain that the "Jesus of the Bible" never existed.

What might have existed was some guy that the "Jesus of the Bible" was modeled after. But all the claims being made specifically about the "Jesus of the Bible" are totally bogus.


Abracadabra's photo
Sun 04/10/11 11:22 AM
Cowboy wrote:

Oh but you are incorrect. God told us prophecies of the coming of Jesus. Jesus was prophesied about long before he came. It is not HIS fault that people did not believe he was the one that was prophesied to come. The old testament/old law told us Jesus would come to complete the law and give us a new one. So no they were not doing as God instructed them to do. Yes, they were doing PART of what God had instructed. But failed miserably with particularly Jesus.


I don't believe you.

Convince me.

Start a thread on the prophecies in the OT of Jesus. Post your best shot:

Just be aware that I'll be right there to show why I'm not the slightest bit impressed by any of them. bigsmile





Abracadabra's photo
Sun 04/10/11 12:17 PM

Oh but you are incorrect. God told us prophecies of the coming of Jesus. Jesus was prophesied about long before he came. It is not HIS fault that people did not believe he was the one that was prophesied to come. The old testament/old law told us Jesus would come to complete the law and give us a new one. So no they were not doing as God instructed them to do. Yes, they were doing PART of what God had instructed. But failed miserably with particularly Jesus.



Oh cut it out with all that prophecy nonsense. You say "God told us prophecies..." Were you there? Did you hear God?

Those so-called "prophecies" were WRITTEN DOWN.

Later they were read the ideas were stolen.. and then when the Piso Family started writing their scriptures and plagiarizing older scriptures they had all the information they needed to write stories about how those prophecies came to pass.

All fiction.

None of that can be taken seriously.


Exactly. flowers

Why is this concept so hard for Christians to comprehend?

I just came from a Christian web site that is attempting to demonstrate how all the prophecies have been "fulfilled", and they make the following statement:


Couldn’t Someone Just Write These Down and Pretend They Were Written Earlier?

Many people who do not believe in the Bible say this. However, manuscripts have been found that confirm that these various prophecies were written down 400-1,000 years before they actually occurred. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls put to rest most of such idle talk.


Well that's stupid. slaphead

Why would anyone look at it that way? That's totally BACKWARDS.

You've got to see it the way Jeanniebean sees it.

It's the NEW TESTAMENT that is bogus! That's what's in question here! Not the other way around.

So the question becomes:

Couldn’t Someone have just made up these stories of Jesus have written them in a way that would make it appear that Jesus fulfilled all of these ancient prophecies?

Well OF COURSE they could!

And that's most likely what actually happened.

The Christians are trying to convince people that the Gospels must be taken as absolute truth, and therefore if there is any fraud it must exist elsewhere (like in the stories of the OT having been fabricated).

No, no, no. That's totally ignorant thinking.

The NEW TESTAMENT is what's in question. So these are the writings are most likely contain the lies written based on scriptures that were already known.

These Christians are actually being quite dishonest and deceitful when they twist things around like this. I seriously doubt that any intelligent non-believers have ever suggested that the Old Testament was faked to comply with the New Testament. What most non-believers would suggest is precisely the opposite. Like Jeanniebean recognizes. The New Testament is the fraudulent document based on those ancient fables of the Old Testament. So it was written to try to make as many "prophecies" appear to have "come true" as they could possibly fit into the story. slaphead

So anything that cannot be confirmed in the New Testament is totally unimpressive. Like 30 pieces of silver being offered as a reward for information leading to the arrest of Jesus. If Jesus was as POPULAR as was claimed, it should have been EASY for the authorities to discover his whereabouts.

These stories are clearly BOGUS.

Common sense clearly shows us this.








Milesoftheusa's photo
Sun 04/10/11 06:35 PM

Jeanniebean wrote:

Miles said to Abra:
"You seem to enjoy slamming the Elohim of Abraham as if thats a sore point with you. "

Miles, it is the concept of the Biblical God as he is portrayed by men in the Bible that Abra speaks about not about any real God. It is the doctrines they teach that don't make sense that he speaks about.

Religion has created or twisted their interpretations of a 2000 year old bunch of writings and now force feed them to the people as some sort of holy book.

Why is it that nobody gets this? It is the doctrine, the dogma, the false teaching that he is addressing. If it is to be believed -- he addresses the premise not any actual real God.


Truly. These people are so totally absorbed with their religious convictions that they truly can't see the light beyond the dogma they have buried themselves in.

I never truly "slam" Elohim of Abraham directly. On the contrary, I show why those fables "slam" themselves! They claim that this "God" is all-wise, all-righteous, unchanging, omniscience, all-powerful, with him nothing is impossible, and the only thing that surpasses his love is his mercy.

But then they also go on to tell stories that have this supposed "God" doing unwise, unrighteous things. Changing his relationship with mankind, not knowing things, being far less than "all-powerful", having to actually do desperate things in a truly feeble attempt to communicate with his creation, and showing basically no mercy at all toward "heathens".

Just the opposite of the traits this God is supposed to have.

So the fables themselves are wildly inconsistent and contradicting.

Moreover Miles, it's not any "God" that I have a bone to pick with, it's religious zealots who attempt to use these fables to hold this picture of "God" over the heads of other people.

It truly the epitome of arrogance. That's what it amounts to Miles.

Look at me Miles, you say that I'm trying to slam Elohim of Abraham, (and it may truly appear that way today), buy you know my history!

There was a time when I tried to raise Elohim of Abraham above the Christian fear, hatred, and religious bigotry. I found that to be impossible. The Christians are determined to use this religion to belittle anyone who refuses to cower down to it dogma.

Just look at the conversations between Cowboy and myself. I try my very best to use these scriptures to portray the most forgiving, loving, benevolent, fair, God possible. Yet Cowboy is determined to thwart my every effort. He's determined to make God and Jesus into monsters who will hate and condemn everyone who doesn't cower down to his interpretations and views of the dogma.

Every time I try to make a case for a potential NICE Jesus, Cowboy steps in and assures me that Jesus is NOT NICE, period amen!

Christians will simply not allow for a Jesus that doesn't HATE everyone and anyone who refuses to cower down to the religious bigotry that they have built upon his name.

It's the hateful dogmatic machine that I'm slamming Miles.

It basically comes down to people using these scriptures to do precisely the following:

"You either cower down to my interpretations and views of these scriptures, or I will pronounce you to be 'anti-God', and God himself will forever hate you"

This is precisely what makes these "jealous God" religion so hateful.

The Christians are out to protect their "Holy Bible" as the only true word of God. The Muslims are out to protect their "Holy Quran" as the only true word of God. And neither doctrine has any real value they should both be tossed in the nearest trash can and we could finally begin to work toward some REAL PEACE.

There will never be world peace as long as people are using "God" as an excuse to support and spread hateful religious bigotry.

~~~~~

I also truly question people's motives who press hard for such a hateful unforgiving God.

Do they truly believe that God is that untrustworthy and heartless?

Or are they just on an extreme ego trip to use a sick demented religion to spread hateful religious bigotry because it fulfills some lustful need to feel powerful on their part?

Nothing can make a person feel more egotistically powerful than to convince themselves that they have "God" on their side and that everything they do is to spread "His Word". That alone is an extremely dangerous psychological trap that far too many people fall into.

Spreading hatred in the name of a "God" all the while deluding oneself that they are doing this in the name of love. ohwell

And they totally refuse to look beyond their delusion.

They have convinced themselves that they are doing the work of "God", and that they are spreading "God's Word", so how could they possibly be wrong? They are serving the highest possible purpose anyone can possibly serve.

Once a person has convinced themselves that their delusions are true, they gone off the deep end and may potentially never come back down to reality.

These "jealous God" religions can cause people to become quite psychotic. Well, just look at the Muslim suicide bombers! It's the very same principle right there. They have convinced themselves that if they tie a bomb around their waist and go kill a bunch of infidels God will be pleased with them and they will become a martyr in heaven.

That's the kind of sickness these 'jealous god' religions can incite in people.

These fables of Elohim of Abraham are having an extremely detrimental impact on humanity. And that's quite unfortunate.

And when you try to point out how ignorant and destructive they can be what do you get in return?

You get things like: "You seem to enjoy slamming the Elohim of Abraham as if thats a sore point with you."

YES, it is a sore point with me. Those religions are a CANCER on humanity. All they do is cause divisiveness and "believers" arguing with "non-believers" trying to convince the non-believers that if they don't climb on board the religious bigotry wagon God will hate them and condemn them to eternal damnation, be it spiritual death or everlasting punishment, it makes no difference. Condemnation is condemnation. Because what's really being done is that the non-believers are being condemned already by the believers via their very accusations that if you refuse to support their religious bigotry you are refusing to accept and worship "God"

And it doesn't even matter if you already have a spirituality of your own. Forget that. Either cower down to their specific religious bigotry or your condemned as refusing to obey God. slaphead

It's ignorant and disgusting is what it is Miles.

~~~~~~~~~~

And yes I confess, I spent much of my early life in college classrooms studying the sciences. And to be quite honest I got truly sick of hearing all the religious opposition to science all throughout human history.

And it still hasn't stopped even today. Just look at how many Christians are pitting their religion against science and denying evolution, fossil evidence, the age of the earth, and blah blah blah.

You'd think they would have learned their lesson by now, but nope, it's the same old ignorance being supported by religious zealots to this very day!

They never learn anything. ohwell



well actually I was trying to kid around and make light of everything.. We all do get to serious and we need to step back and take in a deep breath.

But what I believe I believe and I did not believe it because someone told me 2 or said this is the way it is.. I have a hard time learning anything untill OJT steps in. Thats when I learn and see it to be true.

I am glad u see the contradictions. better that than blindly accept.

Then u truely never experience the true belief of evermore.

No hard feelings my humor may be quarky at times but thats just me.. Blessings..Miles

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Mon 04/11/11 03:26 AM


Oh but you are incorrect. God told us prophecies of the coming of Jesus. Jesus was prophesied about long before he came. It is not HIS fault that people did not believe he was the one that was prophesied to come. The old testament/old law told us Jesus would come to complete the law and give us a new one. So no they were not doing as God instructed them to do. Yes, they were doing PART of what God had instructed. But failed miserably with particularly Jesus.



Oh cut it out with all that prophecy nonsense. You say "God told us prophecies..." Were you there? Did you hear God?

Those so-called "prophecies" were WRITTEN DOWN.

Later they were read the ideas were stolen.. and then when the Piso Family started writing their scriptures and plagiarizing older scriptures they had all the information they needed to write stories about how those prophecies came to pass.

All fiction.

None of that can be taken seriously.


True wisdom again. flowers

There have never been any secular scientists who have been impressed by these extremely convoluted, inconsistent, and self-contradictory tales. Moreover, any so-called "prophecy" that anyone can point to is so utterly vague and incoherent that it's not even worthy of consideration.

Even the seriously devout Jews themselves did not accept those absurd claims. And neither did the Muslims.

There's nothing there worthy of note.

Besides, the actual prophecy was that this "messiah" was going to become the KING of the Jews. Jesus was a nobody in terms of social status. He wasn't even an officially recognized rabbi!

It's obvious from the gospels that the scribes and Pharisees were clearly at odds with Jesus. They would have never officially sanctioned him as an official rabbi.

Jesus was a rebel, rebelling against the religious authorities of the time.

And the religion at the time most certain did have their God instructing people to kill heathens, blasphemers, and even stone sinners to death. Because clearly that's what they were doing even according to these stories.

So if Jesus was crucified for blaspheme the blood of that event is entirely on the God's hands who had directed people to kill heathens and blasphemers because Jesus certainly qualified as a heathen and blaspheme. He was constantly teaching against the teachings of the Torah, and calling the religious authorities hypocrites.

He was an religious extremist himself!

If he even existed at all!

In fact, I'm certain that the "Jesus of the Bible" never existed.

What might have existed was some guy that the "Jesus of the Bible" was modeled after. But all the claims being made specifically about the "Jesus of the Bible" are totally bogus.





Later they were read the ideas were stolen.. and then when the Piso Family started writing their scriptures and plagiarizing older scriptures they had all the information they needed to write stories about how those prophecies came to pass.


And you know they were plagiarized how? Have you seen the original scripture before the "Piso" family plagiarized these scriptures? What form of evidence do you have of such an accusation?

Milesoftheusa's photo
Mon 04/11/11 03:49 AM




I say if you are baptised in JC's name and continue in that name you are not saved. That you are decieving yourself. Prove me wrong. for both our good..Shalom..Miles


I dont understand the question...

are you asking if being baptised in jesus name is a deception if you also live in jesus name?


JC is the prophicied name to come.. not the Messiah.

John 5:43-44
43 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
NKJV


He did not come in the name JC. all ministers know that.

The Evil one what will he be like?

2 Cor 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
NKJV


How many could he decieve?

Matt 24:24-25
24 For false chr-sts and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect . 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
NKJV

The Ministers of Light what are they going to Preach?

2 Cor 11:4

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Yahshua, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel , which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him
KJV


Did they preach JC?

Did they keep the Law?

The Evil one who transforms himself into an Angel of Light who decieves almost the whole world..

Could it be Yahshua.. What name did he come in?

Or JC who is all over the world and what does his teachings teach? Another Evangel.

Thats why we must study to sgew ourself approved and in our time of need Yahweh promices to..

Luke 21:14-19
14 Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 17 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. 18 But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 19 By your patience possess your souls.
NKJV

Bringing to rememberance all things..

Thats what the Spirit in Yahshua did when cornered by the pharasees.

Thier are many places that tell us what to look for but we don't study so we can not see.. Yahweh will open doors if you will only let him.

The name JC has no power anywhere but where people let him. Yahshua did not let him.. Blessings...Miles



my understanding is that Yhwh is actually a transitive verb describing GOD, not a proper name as we are used to, and that he didnt ever supply a PROPER name, but the description 'I AM' , and 'HE IS'

I would suppose as well that God existed BEFORE hebrew did and was therefore not always called by the HEBREW description of 'HE IS'

which causes me to conclude that it was not the 'proper' noun he would ever wish us to concern ourself with, but the ESSENCE of who he is and the significance of the FACT that he is

Yeshua, likewise, is a descriptive phrasing (by my understanding) formed by combining Ye and Shua,,,meaning YHWH is salvation

through years of a changing alphabet, some of the consonants were changed, but the MEANING remained the same

,,,just my two cents





Shalom msharmony.

Yhwh Yahweh can be found in most bibles preface today. many will even say if it were not to confuse the people thats what would be in them.. which is non sence.

I Am that I Am is Y H W H

hayah

OT:1961 hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root [compare OT:1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary):


KJV - beacon, altogether, be (-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, follow, happen, have, last, pertain, quit (oneself-), require, use.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
Blessings..Miles

Abracadabra's photo
Mon 04/11/11 11:54 AM
Cowboy wrote:

And you know they were plagiarized how? Have you seen the original scripture before the "Piso" family plagiarized these scriptures? What form of evidence do you have of such an accusation?


I think she was talking about "plagiarizing" various tales of saviors, etc, from other religious mythologies.

Besides you ask for "evidence"?

Where is your evidence that any of the outrageous claims of miracles and divine interventions that are claimed in these scriptures ever actually occurred.

There simply doesn't exist any such independent evidence. For if such evidence existed it would be widely know by now and the Christians would be using it to support the claims being made in the Bible. No such evidence exists.

So it's entirely a faith-based ideal to believe in the biblical stories. Asking someone for 'evidence' of their 'faith' is an oxymoron.

You have 'faith' that the Bible is true. You have no evidence to back up that 'faith'

Jeanniebean has 'faith' that the stories were made up by men. Does she even need to have any evidence for her 'faith'.

You have none to offer for your 'faith'.

Every idea that Jeanniebean has presented is certainly just as plausible as any arguments that could be made for the biblical stories.

In fact, her idea are more plausible from a practical point of view because they don't require any miracles or divine intervention, all they require are radical people who like to spread rumors, and we know that this is a common trait of many humans.

So Jeanniebean's idea makes far more sense from a practical point of view. She doesn't need to explain any miraculous events or divine interventions.

But to support your theories you do need to explain all the miraculous events and justify them within the context of the traits that have been assigned to the God in the fables. So you've got a huge task in front of you.

Where your "evidence". huh

How are you justified in demanding that other people have "evidence" for their claims, when you have absolutely no evidence at all for yours?


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Mon 04/11/11 12:51 PM
And you know they were plagiarized how? Have you seen the original scripture before the "Piso" family plagiarized these scriptures? What form of evidence do you have of such an accusation?


Have you ever ever seen any original scriptures of anything?
Have you ordered and read the books I told you about?

If not, then how dare you ask me for "evidence."


Abracadabra's photo
Mon 04/11/11 02:26 PM

And you know they were plagiarized how? Have you seen the original scripture before the "Piso" family plagiarized these scriptures? What form of evidence do you have of such an accusation?


Have you ever ever seen any original scriptures of anything?
Have you ordered and read the books I told you about?

If not, then how dare you ask me for "evidence."


flowers

I would love to read those books myself, but I have better things to do. Sounds interesting. They probably have a fairly decent case for their conclusions. At least as good of a case as anyone else has for these ancient scriptures.

I still personally believe that even if the Piso family hypothesis is true, they probably still modeled their stories after various actual events that people were aware of.

In other words, there probably were men who did or claimed things that they associate with Jesus. There may have actually been more than one person they were modeling this after. In this way they could ever support their claims by saying, "Hey look, some guy actually did give a "sermon on a mountain". Some guy did actually ride a donkey into Jerusalem (in fact a lot of people probably rode donkeys back then). Some guy was accused of blaspheme (probably a lot of people were, after all the idea is that these Jew were indeed stoning sinners to death at this time). In fact, they still do this today in some Arab countries!

Some guy probably was wrongfully crucifiable. From what we can tell from history in general crucifixion were common place back then. Surely undeserving innocent people got caught up in the frenzy as well.

So in that sense, the Piso family could have had a lot of actual events to base their stories one. The "Jesus" they created never existed, but other people probably did exist that they partially modeled their stories after.

That makes sense to me. drinker

So when I say that Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist, what I'm actually saying is that these New Testament rumors are modeled in part after the teachings of at least one Jewish Buddhist, possibly even modeled after more than one of them!

When I say that Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist, I'm probably giving too much weight to the idea that the New Testament rumors actually refer to the life of a single person. They probably don't. It's probably a story that is a collection of ideas based on many different people and events. With divine intervention and miracles entirely fabricated and tossed in the mix to create the ultimate story of a person who supposedly had divine powers not the least of which was to be resurrected after he died.

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Mon 04/11/11 03:59 PM
Well cowboy dares to ask for "evidence" when he has not read the books I suggested for him to read and on top of that he has made it quite clear that proof of anything is only proof if a person decides they want to believe it. So it would be a pointless waste of my time to enlighten him with the facts.


Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 04/12/11 04:41 AM

This was posted above...

"John 12:47

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not:
KJV


yes this is true its free choice but the laws of motion tell you he will fall. "

On the contrary...

the laws of HUMAN motion (which pertains to this statement) tell us that he will TAKE ANOTHER STEP.

Mankind is made to stand erect... When one loses his balance one STEPS to regain it.

and the journey goes on.




Pertaing to the Quote. The Laws of Motion to a learnerr as they grow up. Tells us by not listening you will learn the hard way.. They will FALL down but they will pick themselves up and be the stronger for it.. Blessings..Miles

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Tue 04/12/11 05:35 AM





I say if you are baptised in JC's name and continue in that name you are not saved. That you are decieving yourself. Prove me wrong. for both our good..Shalom..Miles


I dont understand the question...

are you asking if being baptised in jesus name is a deception if you also live in jesus name?


JC is the prophicied name to come.. not the Messiah.

John 5:43-44
43 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
NKJV


He did not come in the name JC. all ministers know that.

The Evil one what will he be like?

2 Cor 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
NKJV


How many could he decieve?

Matt 24:24-25
24 For false chr-sts and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect . 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
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The Ministers of Light what are they going to Preach?

2 Cor 11:4

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Yahshua, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel , which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him
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Did they preach JC?

Did they keep the Law?

The Evil one who transforms himself into an Angel of Light who decieves almost the whole world..

Could it be Yahshua.. What name did he come in?

Or JC who is all over the world and what does his teachings teach? Another Evangel.

Thats why we must study to sgew ourself approved and in our time of need Yahweh promices to..

Luke 21:14-19
14 Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 17 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. 18 But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 19 By your patience possess your souls.
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Bringing to rememberance all things..

Thats what the Spirit in Yahshua did when cornered by the pharasees.

Thier are many places that tell us what to look for but we don't study so we can not see.. Yahweh will open doors if you will only let him.

The name JC has no power anywhere but where people let him. Yahshua did not let him.. Blessings...Miles



my understanding is that Yhwh is actually a transitive verb describing GOD, not a proper name as we are used to, and that he didnt ever supply a PROPER name, but the description 'I AM' , and 'HE IS'

I would suppose as well that God existed BEFORE hebrew did and was therefore not always called by the HEBREW description of 'HE IS'

which causes me to conclude that it was not the 'proper' noun he would ever wish us to concern ourself with, but the ESSENCE of who he is and the significance of the FACT that he is

Yeshua, likewise, is a descriptive phrasing (by my understanding) formed by combining Ye and Shua,,,meaning YHWH is salvation

through years of a changing alphabet, some of the consonants were changed, but the MEANING remained the same

,,,just my two cents





Shalom msharmony.

Yhwh Yahweh can be found in most bibles preface today. many will even say if it were not to confuse the people thats what would be in them.. which is non sence.

I Am that I Am is Y H W H

hayah

OT:1961 hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root [compare OT:1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary):


KJV - beacon, altogether, be (-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, follow, happen, have, last, pertain, quit (oneself-), require, use.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
Blessings..Miles
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I was just thinki'en. how the American Indian was like the Israelites and the Amelikites. what happened to the 2.

Indians believed at least what Plymouth Rock says.

That they accepted the New Englanders and feasted with them all the while many of our Ancesters were plotting to kill them and take thier land.. kill em all. men , women and children.

The Amelikites Yahweh hates because they would sneak into the camps and still the children for Human sacrafice.

both were decieved. Then look at what the I Am is translated from.

hayah (haw-yaw

That sounds Indian to me.

They have unearth in S. Coralina a Phenician village they believe to date to around 1200 to 1500 bc. The phenicains were know as Great Sailors. and they new the Paleo Hebrew of the day.. Some were converts.

Then the wrings of the 10 commandments in Paleo Hebrew found in the late 1800's.

it dates to around 3200 years ago.. the same time period.

Maybe they influenced a culture already here.

Yah is a proven Scientic no doubt about it the easiest word in the world to say in any languge as we are all himan beings.

is Yah. they have even shown through studies all Babies say this as soon as they make sound.

Yah. almost like a breath of fresh air.

Stay strong,breath deeply.. see whats around you. learn from the scriptures. Then life itself will be shown through you. Rememberance will be given to you. Desire to understand learning. Let the rays of Hope shine through you. when you see pathiestics thought of the Pharoah overtake you. The Spirit that is within you will let you know.

The Amelikites were somewhat like when Moshe was born. The forfathers.

Gen 1:1 - Acts 7:19

"But when the time of the promise drew near which "I AM" had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt 18 till another king arose who did not know Joseph. 19 This man dealt treacherously with our people, and oppressed our forefathers, making them expose their babies , so that they might not live.
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This is when Moshe was born.

Acts 7:20-22
20 At this time Moses was born, and was well pleasing to "I AM"; and he was brought up in his father's house for three months. 21 But when he was set out, Pharaoh's daughter took him away and brought him up as her own son. 22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and deeds.
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Yahweh uses all circumstances to his WILL.

We know the story. has it been passed down into this country?

Is the plight of the American Indian the same?

I wonder. old ways die hard. generations.

we then ms Harmony are in a day they saw. If we believe. A wonder to them. a time of afflication yet Great Hope.

Whats the Promice Land? is that whats coming?

The Abramaic Promice of a son who lives forever is around the sea white corner. Blessings..Miles





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