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I beleive there is a difference in lucid dreams, also astral projection where meditation is involved and out of body experiences, however out of body experiences i think you do at some point will witness your actual body giving you confirmation of your reality. I believe "reality" is as hoax.... We are limited in our perception and "reality" is 100% truth... Peter Pan, IN reality, i suspect you were on mingle posting in this thread...hmmmm or is this a figment of my imagination?? |
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Out of Body experience.. What do you think it is? A difficult question to answer. Most people think it's your spirit leaving your body and later on re-entering. Popycock If your spirit left your body your body would die. Simply put. Take those on the operating table. Unless they get that heart started after it's stopped the ghost aint comin back. Same thing here. If you leave the body it dies. "It's dead jim, take it's stuff" -Munchkin |
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OBE is simply the observer changing its point of view.
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OBE is simply the observer changing its point of view. I agree.. I think I had a OBE yesterday. Its called my 3 Grand Daughters. By the time I went to bed my mind was jello and I know it left my body. Was gone like 12 hrs and now I am back.. but little computer time these days.. But I like it. they constantly change sides in the Spirit world I do believe. OBE    Blessings..Miles
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Out of Body experience.. What do you think it is? A difficult question to answer. Most people think it's your spirit leaving your body and later on re-entering. Popycock If your spirit left your body your body would die. Simply put. Take those on the operating table. Unless they get that heart started after it's stopped the ghost aint comin back. Same thing here. If you leave the body it dies. "It's dead jim, take it's stuff" -Munchkin thats weird, I dont know much about it..but how long do most people who have experienced it, actually leave their body...is there a difference between and out of body experience and a near death experience? |
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Out of Body experience.. What do you think it is? A difficult question to answer. Most people think it's your spirit leaving your body and later on re-entering. Popycock If your spirit left your body your body would die. Simply put. Take those on the operating table. Unless they get that heart started after it's stopped the ghost aint comin back. Same thing here. If you leave the body it dies. "It's dead jim, take it's stuff" -Munchkin thats weird, I dont know much about it..but how long do most people who have experienced it, actually leave their body...is there a difference between and out of body experience and a near death experience? Maybe its because I don't trust people, but I have to say that I liken this to those that claim to have been abducted by aliens. Dreams in the sub conscious mind are no different than fantasy in the conscious mind. Freud's thesis that "the meaning of every dream is the fulfillment of a wish" is the best explanation I have found. If you fantasize about something when you are awake, the sub conscious takes that and replays it in more detail when you are asleep. |
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Freud was an idiot. Sorry. He was very shallow. Barely touched the surface of the human psyche. A big blahch!! for Freud.
  
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Out of Body experience.. What do you think it is? A difficult question to answer. Most people think it's your spirit leaving your body and later on re-entering. Popycock If your spirit left your body your body would die. Simply put. Take those on the operating table. Unless they get that heart started after it's stopped the ghost aint comin back. Same thing here. If you leave the body it dies. "It's dead jim, take it's stuff" -Munchkin thats weird, I dont know much about it..but how long do most people who have experienced it, actually leave their body...is there a difference between and out of body experience and a near death experience? Maybe its because I don't trust people, but I have to say that I liken this to those that claim to have been abducted by aliens. Dreams in the sub conscious mind are no different than fantasy in the conscious mind. Freud's thesis that "the meaning of every dream is the fulfillment of a wish" is the best explanation I have found. If you fantasize about something when you are awake, the sub conscious takes that and replays it in more detail when you are asleep. "The meaning of every dream is the fulfillment of a wish", that doesnt make sense to me, because how do you explain dejavue, or nightmares...which also often occur during the dream state? |
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"the meaning of every dream is the fulfillment of a wish"
You have to realize that Freud said that. YUCK. All he dreamed about was sex and his mother. He had some deep issues. His blanket statement comes from his own ignorance. |
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OBE is simply the observer changing its point of view. I like this description.  Simple yet full of potential.
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Out of Body experience.. What do you think it is? A difficult question to answer. Most people think it's your spirit leaving your body and later on re-entering. Popycock If your spirit left your body your body would die. Simply put. Take those on the operating table. Unless they get that heart started after it's stopped the ghost aint comin back. Same thing here. If you leave the body it dies. "It's dead jim, take it's stuff" -Munchkin thats weird, I dont know much about it..but how long do most people who have experienced it, actually leave their body...is there a difference between and out of body experience and a near death experience? Maybe its because I don't trust people, but I have to say that I liken this to those that claim to have been abducted by aliens. Dreams in the sub conscious mind are no different than fantasy in the conscious mind. Freud's thesis that "the meaning of every dream is the fulfillment of a wish" is the best explanation I have found. If you fantasize about something when you are awake, the sub conscious takes that and replays it in more detail when you are asleep. "The meaning of every dream is the fulfillment of a wish", that doesnt make sense to me, because how do you explain dejavue, or nightmares...which also often occur during the dream state? I suggest you read "The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious" by Jung. |
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Out of Body experience.. What do you think it is? an experience where your subconscious experiences something without your conscious, where the spirit actually has its own UNIQUE experience while the flesh remains inactive and unaware |
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Freud was an idiot. Sorry. He was very shallow. Barely touched the surface of the human psyche. A big blahch!! for Freud.
Where would the field of psychoanalysis be today if it weren't for Freud? Places like the William Alanson White Institute wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Freud. Sándor Ferenczi, Fromm, Thompson, Reichmann... the list goes on and on of people that were influenced by Freud's work.. To say he was an idiot is equivocal to saying Shakespeare was illiterate. |
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Freud was an idiot. Sorry. He was very shallow. Barely touched the surface of the human psyche. A big blahch!! for Freud.
Where would the field of psychoanalysis be today if it weren't for Freud? Places like the William Alanson White Institute wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Freud. Sándor Ferenczi, Fromm, Thompson, Reichmann... the list goes on and on of people that were influenced by Freud's work.. To say he was an idiot is equivocal to saying Shakespeare was illiterate. I think the field of psychoanalysis would be in a lot better place actually, if it weren't for Freud, but we'll never know will we? It is what it is, and it still hasn't scratched the surface of the human psyche. But that is just my uneducated opinion. Some of the most insane people I have known were psychoanalysts, or psychiatrists. In my home town that I grew up in the head of the State Hospital had his own mental problems and committed suicide. |
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msharmony
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Tue 04/05/11 12:11 PM
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Freud was an idiot. Sorry. He was very shallow. Barely touched the surface of the human psyche. A big blahch!! for Freud.
Where would the field of psychoanalysis be today if it weren't for Freud? Places like the William Alanson White Institute wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Freud. Sándor Ferenczi, Fromm, Thompson, Reichmann... the list goes on and on of people that were influenced by Freud's work.. To say he was an idiot is equivocal to saying Shakespeare was illiterate. I think the field of psychoanalysis would be in a lot better place actually, if it weren't for Freud, but we'll never know will we? It is what it is, and it still hasn't scratched the surface of the human psyche. But that is just my uneducated opinion. Some of the most insane people I have known were psychoanalysts, or psychiatrists. In my home town that I grew up in the head of the State Hospital had his own mental problems and committed suicide. I totally respect medicine and research and the human body and human brain and all that I even wanted to be a psychologist when I left High School but as I get older, I start to lose more and more respect for the field as it seems just a gold mine for professionals to continuously make money off of people by medicating them and charging them to 'talk' to them about their 'illness' and new illnesses seem to develop whenever enough people of an upper class are misbehaving in some way or another,,, it makes more profit to charge them for their medication and sessions and it helps alleviate them from feeling 'shame' or 'guilt' or any of those other terrible feelings of accountability we try to shy away from.... instead of drunks we have alcoholics, instead of druggies we have addicts, instead of tramps we have sexual addictions,,,etc,,etc,,,etc,,, |
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Dreams and Out of body experiences are closely related though. I was dreaming about flying and I decided to fly higher and higher and soon I was out in space. The dream became a very lucid dream. A lucid dream is one where you know you are dreaming but it is also one that becomes more clear and more real. When a dream becomes as real as waking reality, then how can you tell the difference? It makes you wonder about "reality." you wake up... |
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I imagine remote viewing could be considered a type of out of body experience. At any rate I have always found it interesting and I've followed it since 'before' computers (old fashion research methods). Below are some new methods - links that some find interesting. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vision_remota/esp_visionremota_6.htm CIA-Initiated …Remote Viewing At Stanford research Institute by H. E. Puthoff, Ph.D. 1996 Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin 4030 Braker Lane W., #300 Austin, Texas 78759-5329 from MindControlForums Website Abstract In July 1995 the CIA declassified, and approved for release, documents revealing its sponsorship in the 1970s of a program at Stanford Research Institute in Menlo Park, CA, to determine whether such phenomena as remote viewing "might have any utility for intelligence collection" [1]. Thus began disclosure to the public of a two-decade-plus involvement of the intelligence community in the investigation of so-called parapsychological or psi phenomena. Presented here by the program’s Founder and first Director (1972 - 1985) is the early history of the program, including discussion of some of the first, now declassified, results that drove early interest. http://www.homesecurity.us/articles/a-timeline-of-us-research-into-remote-viewing.html www.homesecurity.us © 2009 A Timeline of U.S. Research Into Remote Viewing September 1971 – Cleve Baxster and Ingo Swann begin researching telekinesis. November 1971 – Swann participates in telekinesis and out-of-body experience experiments in Gertrude Schmeidler’s lab. December 1971 – The term “remote viewing” is coined following an experiment describing the weather in Tucson, AZ from the American Society for Psychical Research (ASPR) offices in New York. February 1972 – The first beacon experiments are conducted at the ASPR offices. June 1972 – Swann and Puthoff conduct a quark-detector and magnetometer experiment at Stanford University. June 1972 – Puthoff reports the findings of the experiment at Stanford University to Kit Green of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). They name their remote viewing organization the Stanford Research Institute (SRI). August 1972 – Puthoff supervises the CIA’s first evaluation trials. October 1972 – The CIA awards Swann and Puthoff $50,000 to continue their research. July 1973 – Swann, along with Pat Price, remote view the National Security Agency’s (NSA) facility in West Virginia. July 1974 – Price conducts another remote viewing operation on a facility in the USSR. October 1974 – An article is published in Nature by Russell Targ and Puthoff concerning remote viewing. July 1975 – The CIA terminates their funding of research into remote viewing. September 1975 – The Air Force Foreign Technology Division begins funding Puthoff and Targ’s research, hiring Dale Graff to supervise. March 1976 – Targ and Puthoff publish another article on their research in Proceedings of IEEE. 1977 – Targ and Puthoff publish a book entitled Mind Reach. June 1977 – The Mobius Group is founded and they begin conducting a submarine remote viewing experiment known as Project Deepquest with Stephan Schwartz. September 1977 – The Army begins conducting their own remote viewing experiments, calling the program Gondola Wish. July 1978 – The Army changes the name of their program from Gondola Wish to Grill Flame. January 1979 – The Army selects remote viewers for Grill Flame. They chose six people, including Ken Bell, Joe McMoneagle and Mel Riley. September 1979 – The Army performs its first operational remote viewing session. March 1979 – The Grill Flame remote viewers work with Dale Graff and correctly locate a downed Soviet aircraft from Wright-Patterson AFB. 1979-1981 – Schwartz conducts a remote viewing of an archaeology project in Egypt, naming it the Alexandria Project and later publishing a book on the viewing. 1980 – The Air Force cancels its remote viewing program and Dale Graff becomes the staff officer for the remote viewing projects conducted by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). December 1982 – the US Army changes its remote viewing project’s name again, this time to Center Lane. January 1984 – The Army begins training their second group of remote viewers, including Bill Ray, Charlene Chavanaugh and Ed Dames. 1984 – Targ and Keith Harary publish a book entitled Mind Race. July 1984 – Following a change of command in the Army, the Center Lane project is closed and transferred to the DIA along with its personnel. 1985-1986 – Schwartz conducts an underwater archaeology project known as the Caravel Project. January 1986 – The DIA takes formal control of Center Lane and renames it Sun Streak. 1987 – Schwartz conducts another underwater archaeology project known as the Brig Leander Project. 1990 – Dale Graff takes control of the remote viewing project, renaming it Stargate. June 1993 – Dale Graff retires. 1994 – The Federal budget transfers control of Stargate from the DIA to the CIA. 1995 – Congress directs the CIA to look into remote viewing as an intelligence tool. 1995 - The American Institute of Research conducted a study and concluded that remote viewing had no value as an intelligence tool. June 1995 – The CIA cancels Stargate, reassigning the five remaining personnel to other government jobs. November 1995 – The television show Nightline airs an expose on the government’s research into remote viewing, interviewing Robert Gates, Dale Graff, Edwin May and Joe McMoneagle. February 1997 – Schnabel publishes the book Remote Viewers: The Secret History of America’s Psychic Spies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project Stargate Project, a series of remote viewing experiments performed by the CIA from 1972 to 1995 http://www.irva.org/remote-viewing/history.html IRVA International Remote Viewing Association The History of Remote Viewing? the men who stare at goats?...lol |
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Freud was an idiot. Sorry. He was very shallow. Barely touched the surface of the human psyche. A big blahch!! for Freud.
Where would the field of psychoanalysis be today if it weren't for Freud? Places like the William Alanson White Institute wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Freud. Sándor Ferenczi, Fromm, Thompson, Reichmann... the list goes on and on of people that were influenced by Freud's work.. To say he was an idiot is equivocal to saying Shakespeare was illiterate. I think the field of psychoanalysis would be in a lot better place actually, if it weren't for Freud, but we'll never know will we? It is what it is, and it still hasn't scratched the surface of the human psyche. But that is just my uneducated opinion. Some of the most insane people I have known were psychoanalysts, or psychiatrists. In my home town that I grew up in the head of the State Hospital had his own mental problems and committed suicide. I totally respect medicine and research and the human body and human brain and all that I even wanted to be a psychologist when I left High School but as I get older, I start to lose more and more respect for the field as it seems just a gold mine for professionals to continuously make money off of people by medicating them and charging them to 'talk' to them about their 'illness' and new illnesses seem to develop whenever enough people of an upper class are misbehaving in some way or another,,, it makes more profit to charge them for their medication and sessions and it helps alleviate them from feeling 'shame' or 'guilt' or any of those other terrible feelings of accountability we try to shy away from.... instead of drunks we have alcoholics, instead of druggies we have addicts, instead of tramps we have sexual addictions,,,etc,,etc,,,etc,,, HAHAHAHA |
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Freud was an idiot. Sorry. He was very shallow. Barely touched the surface of the human psyche. A big blahch!! for Freud.
Where would the field of psychoanalysis be today if it weren't for Freud? Places like the William Alanson White Institute wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Freud. Sándor Ferenczi, Fromm, Thompson, Reichmann... the list goes on and on of people that were influenced by Freud's work.. To say he was an idiot is equivocal to saying Shakespeare was illiterate. I think the field of psychoanalysis would be in a lot better place actually, if it weren't for Freud, but we'll never know will we? It is what it is, and it still hasn't scratched the surface of the human psyche. But that is just my uneducated opinion. Some of the most insane people I have known were psychoanalysts, or psychiatrists. In my home town that I grew up in the head of the State Hospital had his own mental problems and committed suicide. I totally respect medicine and research and the human body and human brain and all that I even wanted to be a psychologist when I left High School but as I get older, I start to lose more and more respect for the field as it seems just a gold mine for professionals to continuously make money off of people by medicating them and charging them to 'talk' to them about their 'illness' and new illnesses seem to develop whenever enough people of an upper class are misbehaving in some way or another,,, it makes more profit to charge them for their medication and sessions and it helps alleviate them from feeling 'shame' or 'guilt' or any of those other terrible feelings of accountability we try to shy away from.... instead of drunks we have alcoholics, instead of druggies we have addicts, instead of tramps we have sexual addictions,,,etc,,etc,,,etc,,, HAHAHAHA LMAO! So very true. That's why I quit studying it. To many excuses, not enough personal responsibility! |
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I dont want to get too off topic here but everything now is described as a psychological disorder. You are mentally ill with either post-partum depression, addiction or dependency, delusional, bi-polar, manic depressive. . . whatever happened to just being emotional or going through a rough patch in your life.
If you have a mid life crisis are you really considered to be a depressed person and labeled the rest or your life? |
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