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why are we chatting about oxygen? lol funny...apparently all science is faith, not fact... i think thats why   technically, I can see how anything we have not experienced for ourself could not yet be considered a FACT to us,,,but there are many things that are FACTS even though we have not yet experienced them what we learn in school, are probably FACTS , even though we havent experienced them. YET , we must rely largely on FAITH that those teaching and recording those things are honest and truthful in the information they are relaying. so, yea, even FACT involves a bit of faith(doesnt REQUIRE it necessarily, for those who actually DISCOVER the fact themself, but it usually requires it for those who only read about it or hear about it second hand) My point exactly and the reasoning of mentioning it. We put faith in that what we are taught is fact. And I remember being taught that it was a fact that Blue Whales were extinct. Trust nobody... |
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I don't think it can be proven scientifically, because FAITH is required. If there was no room for doubt how could you have faith? Faith is required for EVERYTHING even science. The fact that everything is made up of smaller cells that can not be seen by the naked eye, is taken by faith. Unless one did some experimenting them self to prove it's validity. But how many people have done that? Most people put faith in that it's true. The fact that it's "oxygen" we need to breath is also taken on faith less one is willing to do experiments to prove that it is the oxygen we need. ALL SCIENCE IS TAKEN ON FAITH. no, you are 100% wrong on this... science is proving issues to become facts... no room for faith.. and it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will die without oxygen... Proven to who? No one's ever proven it to me. I know not one person that has died from a lack of oxygen. I've never even seen oxygen, so I wouldn't know if one is getting oxygen or not. So it would be your that is wrong. Have YOU ever seen oxygen? Have you ever seen someone without oxygen die? If so, how do you know they were without specifically oxygen? tie a brick on your feet and jump in a lake... what do you think will happen? I think the lungs would fill with water, causing drowning,,, not sure what the relevance is though is that faith or fact? |
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I don't think it can be proven scientifically, because FAITH is required. If there was no room for doubt how could you have faith? Faith is required for EVERYTHING even science. The fact that everything is made up of smaller cells that can not be seen by the naked eye, is taken by faith. Unless one did some experimenting them self to prove it's validity. But how many people have done that? Most people put faith in that it's true. The fact that it's "oxygen" we need to breath is also taken on faith less one is willing to do experiments to prove that it is the oxygen we need. ALL SCIENCE IS TAKEN ON FAITH. no, you are 100% wrong on this... science is proving issues to become facts... no room for faith.. and it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will die without oxygen... Proven to who? No one's ever proven it to me. I know not one person that has died from a lack of oxygen. I've never even seen oxygen, so I wouldn't know if one is getting oxygen or not. So it would be your that is wrong. Have YOU ever seen oxygen? Have you ever seen someone without oxygen die? If so, how do you know they were without specifically oxygen? tie a brick on your feet and jump in a lake... what do you think will happen? I think the lungs would fill with water, causing drowning,,, not sure what the relevance is though is that faith or fact? It's faith based on prior data. It's only fact after it happens... |
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Edited by
Peter_Pan69
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Fri 03/25/11 11:52 PM
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Actually, based on her statement, I have faith that it's fact...
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I don't think it can be proven scientifically, because FAITH is required. If there was no room for doubt how could you have faith? Faith is required for EVERYTHING even science. The fact that everything is made up of smaller cells that can not be seen by the naked eye, is taken by faith. Unless one did some experimenting them self to prove it's validity. But how many people have done that? Most people put faith in that it's true. The fact that it's "oxygen" we need to breath is also taken on faith less one is willing to do experiments to prove that it is the oxygen we need. ALL SCIENCE IS TAKEN ON FAITH. no, you are 100% wrong on this... science is proving issues to become facts... no room for faith.. and it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will die without oxygen... Proven to who? No one's ever proven it to me. I know not one person that has died from a lack of oxygen. I've never even seen oxygen, so I wouldn't know if one is getting oxygen or not. So it would be your that is wrong. Have YOU ever seen oxygen? Have you ever seen someone without oxygen die? If so, how do you know they were without specifically oxygen? tie a brick on your feet and jump in a lake... what do you think will happen? I think the lungs would fill with water, causing drowning,,, not sure what the relevance is though is that faith or fact? It's faith based on prior data. It's only fact after it happens... use your faith that you won't drown and see what happens |
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I don't think it can be proven scientifically, because FAITH is required. If there was no room for doubt how could you have faith? Faith is required for EVERYTHING even science. The fact that everything is made up of smaller cells that can not be seen by the naked eye, is taken by faith. Unless one did some experimenting them self to prove it's validity. But how many people have done that? Most people put faith in that it's true. The fact that it's "oxygen" we need to breath is also taken on faith less one is willing to do experiments to prove that it is the oxygen we need. ALL SCIENCE IS TAKEN ON FAITH. no, you are 100% wrong on this... science is proving issues to become facts... no room for faith.. and it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will die without oxygen... Proven to who? No one's ever proven it to me. I know not one person that has died from a lack of oxygen. I've never even seen oxygen, so I wouldn't know if one is getting oxygen or not. So it would be your that is wrong. Have YOU ever seen oxygen? Have you ever seen someone without oxygen die? If so, how do you know they were without specifically oxygen? tie a brick on your feet and jump in a lake... what do you think will happen? I think the lungs would fill with water, causing drowning,,, not sure what the relevance is though is that faith or fact? It's faith based on prior data. It's only fact after it happens... use your faith that you won't drown and see what happens That would be your faith, not mine. My "faith" says that I will drown. |
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fact is a burden of proof... if 30 scientist do an experiment and it is the same all 30 times, it becomes fact... or you can waste the time and do the experiment yourself and get the same results... if 30 people read a book and say it is fact without any proof, that is faith... fact is something has been proven, faith is something you believe with no proof... don't confuse faith with theory If a Scientists says something is a fact. YOU are putting faith in them that they are correct if you believe such a statement. For instance, Scientists claim we are made up of multiple different cells and molecules. Do you know this is FACT? And how do you know this? Knowledge from others? I'm hearing hearsay rumors again. |
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I don't think it can be proven scientifically, because FAITH is required. If there was no room for doubt how could you have faith? Faith is required for EVERYTHING even science. The fact that everything is made up of smaller cells that can not be seen by the naked eye, is taken by faith. Unless one did some experimenting them self to prove it's validity. But how many people have done that? Most people put faith in that it's true. The fact that it's "oxygen" we need to breath is also taken on faith less one is willing to do experiments to prove that it is the oxygen we need. ALL SCIENCE IS TAKEN ON FAITH. no, you are 100% wrong on this... science is proving issues to become facts... no room for faith.. and it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will die without oxygen... Proven to who? No one's ever proven it to me. I know not one person that has died from a lack of oxygen. I've never even seen oxygen, so I wouldn't know if one is getting oxygen or not. So it would be your that is wrong. Have YOU ever seen oxygen? Have you ever seen someone without oxygen die? If so, how do you know they were without specifically oxygen? tie a brick on your feet and jump in a lake... what do you think will happen? I think the lungs would fill with water, causing drowning,,, not sure what the relevance is though is that faith or fact? It's faith based on prior data. It's only fact after it happens... use your faith that you won't drown and see what happens That would be your faith, not mine. My "faith" says that I will drown. no, the facts say you will drown... we are not any different from anyone else that has drowned in the past... |
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fact is a burden of proof... if 30 scientist do an experiment and it is the same all 30 times, it becomes fact... or you can waste the time and do the experiment yourself and get the same results... if 30 people read a book and say it is fact without any proof, that is faith... fact is something has been proven, faith is something you believe with no proof... don't confuse faith with theory If a Scientists says something is a fact. YOU are putting faith in them that they are correct if you believe such a statement. For instance, Scientists claim we are made up of multiple different cells and molecules. Do you know this is FACT? And how do you know this? Knowledge from others? I'm hearing hearsay rumors again. the difference that i can prove these things if i needed to... can you prove that the bible is fact? |
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fact is a burden of proof... if 30 scientist do an experiment and it is the same all 30 times, it becomes fact... or you can waste the time and do the experiment yourself and get the same results... if 30 people read a book and say it is fact without any proof, that is faith... fact is something has been proven, faith is something you believe with no proof... don't confuse faith with theory If a Scientists says something is a fact. YOU are putting faith in them that they are correct if you believe such a statement. For instance, Scientists claim we are made up of multiple different cells and molecules. Do you know this is FACT? And how do you know this? Knowledge from others? I'm hearing hearsay rumors again. the difference that i can prove these things if i needed to... can you prove that the bible is fact? You can prove nothing less the one you are "proving" this to is willing to give credit to it. |
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I don't think it can be proven scientifically, because FAITH is required. If there was no room for doubt how could you have faith? Faith is required for EVERYTHING even science. The fact that everything is made up of smaller cells that can not be seen by the naked eye, is taken by faith. Unless one did some experimenting them self to prove it's validity. But how many people have done that? Most people put faith in that it's true. The fact that it's "oxygen" we need to breath is also taken on faith less one is willing to do experiments to prove that it is the oxygen we need. ALL SCIENCE IS TAKEN ON FAITH. no, you are 100% wrong on this... science is proving issues to become facts... no room for faith.. and it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will die without oxygen... Proven to who? No one's ever proven it to me. I know not one person that has died from a lack of oxygen. I've never even seen oxygen, so I wouldn't know if one is getting oxygen or not. So it would be your that is wrong. Have YOU ever seen oxygen? Have you ever seen someone without oxygen die? If so, how do you know they were without specifically oxygen? tie a brick on your feet and jump in a lake... what do you think will happen? I think the lungs would fill with water, causing drowning,,, not sure what the relevance is though is that faith or fact? It's faith based on prior data. It's only fact after it happens... use your faith that you won't drown and see what happens That would be your faith, not mine. My "faith" says that I will drown. no, the facts say you will drown... we are not any different from anyone else that has drowned in the past... No, the facts say that we will likely drown. There have been exceptions to the rule. |
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I don't think it can be proven scientifically, because FAITH is required. If there was no room for doubt how could you have faith? Faith is required for EVERYTHING even science. The fact that everything is made up of smaller cells that can not be seen by the naked eye, is taken by faith. Unless one did some experimenting them self to prove it's validity. But how many people have done that? Most people put faith in that it's true. The fact that it's "oxygen" we need to breath is also taken on faith less one is willing to do experiments to prove that it is the oxygen we need. ALL SCIENCE IS TAKEN ON FAITH. no, you are 100% wrong on this... science is proving issues to become facts... no room for faith.. and it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will die without oxygen... Proven to who? No one's ever proven it to me. I know not one person that has died from a lack of oxygen. I've never even seen oxygen, so I wouldn't know if one is getting oxygen or not. So it would be your that is wrong. Have YOU ever seen oxygen? Have you ever seen someone without oxygen die? If so, how do you know they were without specifically oxygen? tie a brick on your feet and jump in a lake... what do you think will happen? I think the lungs would fill with water, causing drowning,,, not sure what the relevance is though is that faith or fact? It's faith based on prior data. It's only fact after it happens... use your faith that you won't drown and see what happens That would be your faith, not mine. My "faith" says that I will drown. no, the facts say you will drown... we are not any different from anyone else that has drowned in the past... No, the facts say that we will likely drown. There have been exceptions to the rule. ehh, i won't argue that... 
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fact is a burden of proof... if 30 scientist do an experiment and it is the same all 30 times, it becomes fact... or you can waste the time and do the experiment yourself and get the same results... if 30 people read a book and say it is fact without any proof, that is faith... fact is something has been proven, faith is something you believe with no proof... don't confuse faith with theory If a Scientists says something is a fact. YOU are putting faith in them that they are correct if you believe such a statement. For instance, Scientists claim we are made up of multiple different cells and molecules. Do you know this is FACT? And how do you know this? Knowledge from others? I'm hearing hearsay rumors again. the difference that i can prove these things if i needed to... can you prove that the bible is fact? You can prove nothing less the one you are "proving" this to is willing to give credit to it. i get what your saying, but i will put my faith in science then... it can always be proven or disproven... |
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fact is a burden of proof... if 30 scientist do an experiment and it is the same all 30 times, it becomes fact... or you can waste the time and do the experiment yourself and get the same results... if 30 people read a book and say it is fact without any proof, that is faith... fact is something has been proven, faith is something you believe with no proof... don't confuse faith with theory If a Scientists says something is a fact. YOU are putting faith in them that they are correct if you believe such a statement. For instance, Scientists claim we are made up of multiple different cells and molecules. Do you know this is FACT? And how do you know this? Knowledge from others? I'm hearing hearsay rumors again. the difference that i can prove these things if i needed to... can you prove that the bible is fact? You can prove nothing less the one you are "proving" this to is willing to give credit to it. i get what your saying, but i will put my faith in science then... it can always be proven or disproven... Only if you put faith in weather it was proven correct or incorrect. I ask you to choose wisely with where you put your faith. It's late, take care my friend(s). Have a blessed night. |
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Cowboy wrote: Again, you totally missed the point. Do you KNOW they did all this? Was you there? If not, again this is nothing but hearsay rumors. I don't miss anything Cowboy. Yes I was there! I spent my entire life doing science and working with scientists in laboratories. I'm fully aware of how science works, it's not just hearsay rumors as you'd like to believe. It's only hearsay rumors to you because you refuse to become educated and go out and get the experience yourself. The bottom line for you is that your religion is so totally without merit that they only way you can even begin to make a case for it is to reduce everything else to mere faith. The problem with that approach, as I have already pointed out, is that when you do that then Santa Claus has just as much clout as Jesus. You shoot yourself in your own foot when you demand that nothing has anymore merit than anything else. And of course, if you're going to try to argue that Christianity has some sort of merit above science, you're truly going beyond anything that could even remotely be considered to be rational or realistic. So, all you've done is show everyone that in order for your religion to be in competition with anything at all, we must dismiss everything to being totally without merit and just faith-based. All you're telling us is that we have no more reason to believe in Christianity than we have to believe in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. I don't see how that helps your case at all.  So even if I accept your position all you're telling me is that your religion has no more merit than any other religion, or even atheism for that mater, since they are all just based on faith and there's no reason to have faith in any one of them over any other. In fact, if you start trying to make a case for that, you're claim that science is merely 'faith based' falls all to pieces. What a waste of time it is talking with you! All you're saying is that it's anybody's GUESS as to what might actually be worth putting our faith in because nothing merits anymore faith than anything else. And you NEED for this to be true because you recognize that there's no good reason for placing faith in your religion over anything else.  I've seen silly proselytizing before, but this takes the cake. I certainly wouldn't want to place my FAITH in a religion that claims that God is a big bad bully who's going to condemn the vast majority of souls he creates to a place of everlasting punishment. Damn! I'd rather place my faith in Santa Claus if they are both on equal footing as you demand!  |
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Cowboy wrote: Again, you totally missed the point. Do you KNOW they did all this? Was you there? If not, again this is nothing but hearsay rumors. I don't miss anything Cowboy. Yes I was there! I spent my entire life doing science and working with scientists in laboratories. I'm fully aware of how science works, it's not just hearsay rumors as you'd like to believe. It's only hearsay rumors to you because you refuse to become educated and go out and get the experience yourself. The bottom line for you is that your religion is so totally without merit that they only way you can even begin to make a case for it is to reduce everything else to mere faith. The problem with that approach, as I have already pointed out, is that when you do that then Santa Claus has just as much clout as Jesus. You shoot yourself in your own foot when you demand that nothing has anymore merit than anything else. And of course, if you're going to try to argue that Christianity has some sort of merit above science, you're truly going beyond anything that could even remotely be considered to be rational or realistic. So, all you've done is show everyone that in order for your religion to be in competition with anything at all, we must dismiss everything to being totally without merit and just faith-based. All you're telling us is that we have no more reason to believe in Christianity than we have to believe in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. I don't see how that helps your case at all. So even if I accept your position all you're telling me is that your religion has no more merit than any other religion, or even atheism for that mater, since they are all just based on faith and there's no reason to have faith in any one of them over any other. In fact, if you start trying to make a case for that, you're claim that science is merely 'faith based' falls all to pieces. What a waste of time it is talking with you! All you're saying is that it's anybody's GUESS as to what might actually be worth putting our faith in because nothing merits anymore faith than anything else. And you NEED for this to be true because you recognize that there's no good reason for placing faith in your religion over anything else. I've seen silly proselytizing before, but this takes the cake. I certainly wouldn't want to place my FAITH in a religion that claims that God is a big bad bully who's going to condemn the vast majority of souls he creates to a place of everlasting punishment. Damn! I'd rather place my faith in Santa Claus if they are both on equal footing as you demand! Says the person who laughed at someone else for believing scientists... I'll just shrug this off too. |
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Cowboy wrote: Says the person who laughed at someone else for believing scientists... I'll just shrug this off too. Well if you buy into Cowboy's thesis verbatim you may as well, because what you shrug off is entirely faith-based too if everything is equally faith-based as Cowboy suggests. So shrug off whatever you like. And believe whatever you like. According to Cowboy everything is on precisely the same footing. And don't forget to consider the Flying Spaghetti Monster with equal merit when randomly choosing what to place your faith in.  |
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I don't think it can be proven scientifically, because FAITH is required. If there was no room for doubt how could you have faith? per the wizdress of mingle I bestow upon you the honor of the GOLD STAR OF INTELLECT.
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Edited by
Redykeulous
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I don't think it can be proven scientifically, because FAITH is required. If there was no room for doubt how could you have faith? Faith is required for EVERYTHING even science. The fact that everything is made up of smaller cells that can not be seen by the naked eye, is taken by faith. Unless one did some experimenting them self to prove it's validity. But how many people have done that? Most people put faith in that it's true. The fact that it's "oxygen" we need to breath is also taken on faith less one is willing to do experiments to prove that it is the oxygen we need. ALL SCIENCE IS TAKEN ON FAITH. Knowledge helps to eliminate the number of things we take on faith. The more knowledge you have, the less you take on faith alone. The more faith you put into your beliefs - the less open you are to knowledge that tends to conflict with your beliefs. Taking all things on faith alone can cause a great deal of stress and confusion and misery - therefore we look to understand the empirical nature of our world to eleviate our fear and misery. For some it is easier to accept mysticism based on the information that others provide, because those others sound like and act the part of knowledgable, happy, and authoritative people. People who have accepted information in that way often find the peace they are seeking but the most obvious information of all is so great a threat to that peace that those people cannot see it - that faith requires no proof because by definition there is no proof outside the mind to be found. That does not mean there are no truths and falsehoods when dealing with objective and empirical reality. |
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Shiki - we are awaiting your proof. I am an interested party, please grace us with your information.
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