Topic: The Lesson Of Japans Disaster
AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 03/24/11 07:00 PM
First drill here. Mine (coal) here. Cap natural gas here...

and insure we have a solid base from which to explore alternatives.

Then research those alternatives. (with our feet planted firmly in reality).

(Nuclear was once an 'alternative').

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Sat 03/26/11 03:05 AM
Edited by Jess642 on Sat 03/26/11 03:06 AM
My younger brother and his wife lived in Sendai....and haven't been heard from by anyone, including our government here, so don't give me all this hyperbole bull sh * te about lessons learned.

I don't know if my children still have an aunt and uncle, or if I have a brother...I don't know if we are looking for bodies, or bits...

You try jumping every time the phone rings wondering if this is it....their bodies have been found.,,,then we'll talk about lessons.



Solar, wind and geo thermal are the gentlest for ALL that reside on this planet...earthquakes and tsunamais will happen with or without our input.


You all give me the sh * ts.

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Sat 03/26/11 04:47 AM

My younger brother and his wife lived in Sendai....and haven't been heard from by anyone, including our government here, so don't give me all this hyperbole bull sh * te about lessons learned.

I don't know if my children still have an aunt and uncle, or if I have a brother...I don't know if we are looking for bodies, or bits...

You try jumping every time the phone rings wondering if this is it....their bodies have been found.,,,then we'll talk about lessons.



Solar, wind and geo thermal are the gentlest for ALL that reside on this planet...earthquakes and tsunamais will happen with or without our input.


You all give me the sh * ts.
I suppose we should wait at least ten years and then talk about the disaster? I am sad your sick with worry but I suppose there is no better time to discuss it than the present.

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Sat 03/26/11 06:30 AM
Edited by artlo on Sat 03/26/11 06:31 AM
two words. Pepto Bismol!

Here is some hopeful news. There is some talk in academic circles that the cost of solar energy has now become less than for nuclear energy.

http://theenergycollective.com/oshadavidson/40559/study-solar-power-cheaper-nuclear

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Sun 03/27/11 02:55 PM

two words. Pepto Bismol!

Here is some hopeful news. There is some talk in academic circles that the cost of solar energy has now become less than for nuclear energy.

http://theenergycollective.com/oshadavidson/40559/study-solar-power-cheaper-nuclear
Still waiting for the republicans to cut the budget for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission .

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Sun 03/27/11 04:21 PM
I don't know........I think the United States government drilled into the earth and set off a bomb to cause the Eqarthquake and tsunami in Japan creating the the nuclear plant core to plummet towards meltdown..........LOL......how many rumors can I start with that?? Joking here just so everyone knows....

And there are much safer energy ideas and plans over nuclear energy....can anyone say Chernobyl no lesson learned

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Sun 03/27/11 07:07 PM

two words. Pepto Bismol!

Here is some hopeful news. There is some talk in academic circles that the cost of solar energy has now become less than for nuclear energy.

http://theenergycollective.com/oshadavidson/40559/study-solar-power-cheaper-nuclear


You forgot the Editors note from teh NY times.

An article published July 27 in an Energy Special Report analyzed the costs of nuclear energy production. It quoted a study that found that electricity from solar photovoltaic systems could now be produced less expensively than electricity from new nuclear power plants.

In raising several questions about this issue and the economics of nuclear power, the article failed to point out, as it should have, that the study was prepared for an environmental advocacy group, which, according to its Web site, is committed to ‘‘tackling the accelerating crisis posed by climate change — along with the various risks of nuclear power.’’ The article also failed to take account of other studies that have come to contrasting conclusions, or to include in the mix of authorities quoted any who elaborated on differing analyses of the economics of energy production.

Although the article did quote extensively from the Web site of the Nuclear Energy Institute, an industry group, representatives of the institute were not given an opportunity to respond to the claims of the study. This further contributed to an imbalance in the presentation of this issue.

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Thu 03/31/11 05:46 AM
Thoughts since original post...... so this is our new world without government regulations and watch dogs,Oil spills, nuclear meltdowns, mine disasters, all the new normal. One would think people would have had enough.

AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 03/31/11 05:43 PM

I don't know........I think the United States government drilled into the earth and set off a bomb to cause the Eqarthquake and tsunami in Japan creating the the nuclear plant core to plummet towards meltdown..........LOL......how many rumors can I start with that?? Joking here just so everyone knows....

And there are much safer energy ideas and plans over nuclear energy....can anyone say Chernobyl no lesson learned

Yep no lesson learned from Chernobyl... The Japanese are still trying to 'save' their expensive reactors.

Instead of facing the reality of the situation and ENTOMBING THEM.

The longer they try to 'save' those expensive reactors the more expensive and catastrophic the situation will become.

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And Best... the truth is that there are now TO MANY 'watchdogs' and 'regulatory' agencies (each with 'territorial' issues)...

And a whole lot of ideologs in politics with their collective heads in the sand.

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Fri 04/01/11 08:24 AM
Edited by Chazster on Fri 04/01/11 08:24 AM

Thoughts since original post...... so this is our new world without government regulations and watch dogs,Oil spills, nuclear meltdowns, mine disasters, all the new normal. One would think people would have had enough.


Yes because if the Japanese government had regulations about the earths plates rubbing together causing earthquakes then the earth would have known better than to do that and they wouldnt be in this situation.

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Sat 04/02/11 05:24 AM


Thoughts since original post...... so this is our new world without government regulations and watch dogs,Oil spills, nuclear meltdowns, mine disasters, all the new normal. One would think people would have had enough.


Yes because if the Japanese government had regulations about the earths plates rubbing together causing earthquakes then the earth would have known better than to do that and they wouldnt be in this situation.
Well Chaster its not like they didnt know these things could happen. How are things in your area anyhow? Icant imagine being there right now. My GF was an exchange student in Germany when Chernobly occured she has many insights into this. Remembers how shoes were conviscated and replaced and how they actualy had temporary corridors between buildings so people wouldnt have to go outside to change buildings. They took great care with the children so they would get as little radiation as possible.

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Sat 04/23/11 06:30 AM


Thoughts since original post...... so this is our new world without government regulations and watch dogs,Oil spills, nuclear meltdowns, mine disasters, all the new normal. One would think people would have had enough.


Yes because if the Japanese government had regulations about the earths plates rubbing together causing earthquakes then the earth would have known better than to do that and they wouldnt be in this situation.
How are things were you are Chaster do you have any insights? You are mingles on the spot reporter on this. How about some insider info?

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Sat 04/23/11 07:13 AM
My area was Nagoya and it was fine. I am currently in S Korea right now. I am visiting my gfs family before I go home.

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Sat 04/23/11 07:29 AM
I have been a huge fan of Helen Caldicott for years. Here is her take on the disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhsuNlQ2LKA&feature=player_embedded#at=276

I dare you to dismiss her.

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Sat 04/23/11 07:47 AM
Wow. That's really depressing. I think she may have been exaggerating just a bit though. That is my hope anyway. No doubt we have a serious problem though.

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Sat 04/23/11 07:55 AM

I have been a huge fan of Helen Caldicott for years. Here is her take on the disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhsuNlQ2LKA&feature=player_embedded#at=276

I dare you to dismiss her.


Her video is horrible. Her logic is flawed. She used "scare tactics" instead of facts. She tries desperately to connect old Russian failed technology with the United States and they have nothing in common. She appeals to people who know nothing about the industry.

She is easily dismissed as a crackpot.

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Sat 04/23/11 08:01 AM


I have been a huge fan of Helen Caldicott for years. Here is her take on the disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhsuNlQ2LKA&feature=player_embedded#at=276

I dare you to dismiss her.


Her video is horrible. Her logic is flawed. She used "scare tactics" instead of facts. She tries desperately to connect old Russian failed technology with the United States and they have nothing in common. She appeals to people who know nothing about the industry.

She is easily dismissed as a crackpot.



That makes me feel much better. flowerforyou Thanks. bigsmile :banana:

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Sat 04/23/11 08:12 AM
Edited by artlo on Sat 04/23/11 08:14 AM
She is easily dismissed as a crackpot.
My bad. I didn't realize I was dealing with a real expert on the medical consequences connected with nuclear energy here.


Caldicott currently splits her time between the United States and Australia and continues to lecture widely to promote her views on nuclear energy use, including weapons and power. She has been awarded 20 honorary doctoral degrees and was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by Nobel Laureate Linus Pauling. She was awarded the Lannan Foundation Prize for Cultural Freedom in 2003, and in 2006, the Peace Organisation of Australia presented her with the inaugural Australian Peace Prize "for her longstanding commitment to raising awareness about the medical and environmental hazards of the nuclear age"

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Sat 04/23/11 08:15 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 04/23/11 08:17 AM
All that says to me is that she has an agenda against nuclear energy. This means she is bias in that direction and probably exaggerates.

She has her purpose but I don't think her point of view is balanced or reasonable. But there are always two sides to every story for and against anything and that means there are always extremes in both directions.


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Sun 04/24/11 06:45 AM

She is easily dismissed as a crackpot.
My bad. I didn't realize I was dealing with a real expert on the medical consequences connected with nuclear energy here.


Caldicott currently splits her time between the United States and Australia and continues to lecture widely to promote her views on nuclear energy use, including weapons and power. She has been awarded 20 honorary doctoral degrees and was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by Nobel Laureate Linus Pauling. She was awarded the Lannan Foundation Prize for Cultural Freedom in 2003, and in 2006, the Peace Organisation of Australia presented her with the inaugural Australian Peace Prize "for her longstanding commitment to raising awareness about the medical and environmental hazards of the nuclear age"



Your post indicates that you do not understand the topic well enough to recognize a crackpot in any form. At the same time you pretend to be expert enough to "dare" someone to dispute her goofy claims.

Both of you are easily dismissed as crackpots. Perhaps you should compare her claims to the world news about events in Japan and then report back to us on why her information is so drastically different.