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Topic: Signs and Revelations?
rlynne's photo
Mon 02/21/11 06:55 PM
What were the signs that were supposed to occur over a span of time starting "the eve before the eve" according to revelations dictating the end of days?

AndyBgood's photo
Mon 02/21/11 07:25 PM
Dangerous curves

Men at work

Caution, restricted area, trespassers will be shot

fallout shelter

the end is near


Are these the signs you were asking about????

rlynne's photo
Mon 02/21/11 07:29 PM
no but thank you for the reply I was looking for a more text book start to a broad based study...heres the odd part I could pull out any of the three versions of the bible I have but I wanted to cross reference after I got a social poll however it seems as though no one has the answers or willingness to post them...perhaps i will still get a response :)

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Mon 02/21/11 07:31 PM
just kidding. It actually is along list.

For one the red dragon will appear, (Argued as China)

Ridden by a whore (Arguably Bill Clinton)

Famine (Soon to be realized if we either have a drought which I foresee coming like the Dust Bowl of the 1930s.)

A charismatic leader will arise in a falling nation. (Guess which nation is falling. Obama just paved the way for Hitler Part II)

The appearance of "The Beast" (Which is the name of a Super Computer FOR REALS!)

War in the middle east escalating to a full blown Nuclear Exchange. Iran is provoking Israel HARD and I see Israel attacking soon and that will escalate FAST especially since Iran has been working on ballistic missiles with the reach to take on Israel.

The darkness sweeping the middle east. (ISLAM!)

After the fire rains from the sky Jesus is supposed to appear rescuing believers!

Then the meek inherit the earth!

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Mon 02/21/11 07:37 PM
Edited by rlynne on Mon 02/21/11 07:43 PM
elaborate on "the meek inheriting the earth"

thats the part I am seeking to better understand

that phrase in present in Matthew in regards to the beatitudes or blessing contained in the Sermon on the Mount and reflected in Luke....blessings for those who would be otherwise considered without hope

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Mon 02/21/11 08:39 PM

elaborate on "the meek inheriting the earth"

thats the part I am seeking to better understand

that phrase in present in Matthew in regards to the beatitudes or blessing contained in the Sermon on the Mount and reflected in Luke....blessings for those who would be otherwise considered without hope


Definition of meek - the feeling of patient, submissive humbleness
meekness - a disposition to be patient and long suffering


The paradise is going to be built on earth. Being meek is being submissive to the lord. If one isn't submissive to his lord, is he a good servant? If a servant is told to do this, but he does that. Is he a good servant? Was he being meek? No he was neither. That is why the meek will inherit the earth. The ones willing to make them self submissive to our lord will enjoy the paradise with our king.

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Tue 02/22/11 09:37 AM
I have heard scholars argue at length about that phrase. If Jesus retrieves the faithful only the sinners are left but the argument is that all humanity otherwise would be wiped out leaving the world to "Lower Life Forms," ie. the Meek or as I have heard some say the world will belong to the cockroaches (animals)!

There is nothing Meek about humans at all. This is one example of the circular logic the bible goes by because a human is supposed to be meek yet if they leave who is left besides the sinners and unfaithful who are not meek?

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Tue 02/22/11 10:04 AM

I have heard scholars argue at length about that phrase. If Jesus retrieves the faithful only the sinners are left but the argument is that all humanity otherwise would be wiped out leaving the world to "Lower Life Forms," ie. the Meek or as I have heard some say the world will belong to the cockroaches (animals)!

There is nothing Meek about humans at all. This is one example of the circular logic the bible goes by because a human is supposed to be meek yet if they leave who is left besides the sinners and unfaithful who are not meek?


What do you mean there is nothing meek about humans at all? You're not submissive to other people at all? You only think of yourself first? You don't put anyone else in front of you through your life? You've never opened a door for someone out of just being kind and umm umm meek?

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 02/22/11 10:59 AM
why must people overthing every thing...

Those that are using the sword (or guns or other such weapons of the beast)... will fight each other and die.

Those that are simply tending their fields, living life, giving and taking and all that...

Will survive.

Opening a door for someone is not 'submission' it is 'politeness' and 'respect'...

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Tue 02/22/11 12:31 PM

why must people overthing every thing...

Those that are using the sword (or guns or other such weapons of the beast)... will fight each other and die.

Those that are simply tending their fields, living life, giving and taking and all that...

Will survive.

Opening a door for someone is not 'submission' it is 'politeness' and 'respect'...


Being polite is being submissive. It is doing something for another, putting someone else in front of you. Taking a woman to watch a movie that you find boring as all get out, but you go to make her happy. That is being submissive. Giving someone a ride somewhere they need to go, even though it's out of your way you take them. That is being submissive.

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Tue 02/22/11 01:32 PM


why must people overthing every thing...

Those that are using the sword (or guns or other such weapons of the beast)... will fight each other and die.

Those that are simply tending their fields, living life, giving and taking and all that...

Will survive.

Opening a door for someone is not 'submission' it is 'politeness' and 'respect'...


Being polite is being submissive. It is doing something for another, putting someone else in front of you. Taking a woman to watch a movie that you find boring as all get out, but you go to make her happy. That is being submissive. Giving someone a ride somewhere they need to go, even though it's out of your way you take them. That is being submissive.


You my friend live in a much different world from me. The only people I put ahead of myself are those who contribute directly to my well being. Other than that I am self interested. I am not going to lie to you or anyone I am Draconian. Tell me about nobility and honor when you get back stabbed repeatedly by family. You do not have to be submissive to be polite. It is fine if you choose to be altruistic BUT people abused my altruistic nature so much I learned to become very self interested!

I know people who are fighters in the sense of they train in Martial arts. Some of them are a lot tougher than me. Frankly some of them can really fuque me up in a one on one fight if I was to underestimate them at all and for any reason. I do not train to fight. I am just psycho enough that when put into a position where I have to draw blood I fight to kill, hurt, and maim the other guy more than he can do me and faster than he can act on me. The last black belt bully that cornered me got his azz handed to him by me. The only thing that spared his life was two others pulled me off of him and one of them got screwed too when I pulled an arm breaker on him that wrenched his arm making his friend back off of me quickly. Just becasue someone is twice my size does not mean I have to be scared or submissive. I am not a fighter but I am willing to fight. That deserves respect from trained fighters. Most DO respect that. You seem to confuse respect with submission. You also confuse altruism with submission. A dog beaten into place is submissive. People who go to their knees willingly are submissive.

Likewise taking orders from a woman is not submission. It is honoring hierarchy. To get things done someone has to coordinate the efforts. I do not submit to authority. I do know however that without some sense of order there is only anarchy and chaos. There are times I have to be a leader and times I have to be a follower. Agreeing with your boss on everything is submissive but likewise is disrespectful. I HATE 'YES' men. I am not afraid to tell my bosses when they are screwing up and how. Sometimes I don't choose the best venues to do so but then again I also resent being backed into a corner. I have gotten supervisors shot down good because they underestimated me.

Why is it Christians in general are so fuqued up over the whole concept of submission? If I could teleport, and likewise perform telekinesis (the ability to move objects with my mind) with just a smattering of Mind Reading and I could come off to you like I WAS God himself and you would be on your knees praising me. I would challenge ANYTHING Claiming to be God. That is not defiance, that is CAUTION! Beware False Gods and I put Jehova (Ihova for the Latin speakers)and Yahweh in the same category of false Gods. Humans are so hot to put labels and names to everything.

Now one more time: Revelations says Jesus will return and take the faithful to heaven, the rest will be smitten. So who will be left to inherit the earth besides LOWER LIFE FORMS? Anyone lucky enough to survive? Supposedly survival of the humans species is not supposed to happen at the end times.

Now I know bible verses are going to start flying. Let us please rise above that book for a little while and argue constructively among ourselves about the meaning of revelations rather than trying to prop up dated values and antiquated beliefs over select passages! There are five flavors of the bible, three are recognized as "definitive works." Again we can nit pick details to death BUT that does not do anything for the question posed at hand.

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Tue 02/22/11 04:08 PM



why must people overthing every thing...

Those that are using the sword (or guns or other such weapons of the beast)... will fight each other and die.

Those that are simply tending their fields, living life, giving and taking and all that...

Will survive.

Opening a door for someone is not 'submission' it is 'politeness' and 'respect'...


Being polite is being submissive. It is doing something for another, putting someone else in front of you. Taking a woman to watch a movie that you find boring as all get out, but you go to make her happy. That is being submissive. Giving someone a ride somewhere they need to go, even though it's out of your way you take them. That is being submissive.


You my friend live in a much different world from me. The only people I put ahead of myself are those who contribute directly to my well being. Other than that I am self interested. I am not going to lie to you or anyone I am Draconian. Tell me about nobility and honor when you get back stabbed repeatedly by family. You do not have to be submissive to be polite. It is fine if you choose to be altruistic BUT people abused my altruistic nature so much I learned to become very self interested!

I know people who are fighters in the sense of they train in Martial arts. Some of them are a lot tougher than me. Frankly some of them can really fuque me up in a one on one fight if I was to underestimate them at all and for any reason. I do not train to fight. I am just psycho enough that when put into a position where I have to draw blood I fight to kill, hurt, and maim the other guy more than he can do me and faster than he can act on me. The last black belt bully that cornered me got his azz handed to him by me. The only thing that spared his life was two others pulled me off of him and one of them got screwed too when I pulled an arm breaker on him that wrenched his arm making his friend back off of me quickly. Just becasue someone is twice my size does not mean I have to be scared or submissive. I am not a fighter but I am willing to fight. That deserves respect from trained fighters. Most DO respect that. You seem to confuse respect with submission. You also confuse altruism with submission. A dog beaten into place is submissive. People who go to their knees willingly are submissive.

Likewise taking orders from a woman is not submission. It is honoring hierarchy. To get things done someone has to coordinate the efforts. I do not submit to authority. I do know however that without some sense of order there is only anarchy and chaos. There are times I have to be a leader and times I have to be a follower. Agreeing with your boss on everything is submissive but likewise is disrespectful. I HATE 'YES' men. I am not afraid to tell my bosses when they are screwing up and how. Sometimes I don't choose the best venues to do so but then again I also resent being backed into a corner. I have gotten supervisors shot down good because they underestimated me.

Why is it Christians in general are so fuqued up over the whole concept of submission? If I could teleport, and likewise perform telekinesis (the ability to move objects with my mind) with just a smattering of Mind Reading and I could come off to you like I WAS God himself and you would be on your knees praising me. I would challenge ANYTHING Claiming to be God. That is not defiance, that is CAUTION! Beware False Gods and I put Jehova (Ihova for the Latin speakers)and Yahweh in the same category of false Gods. Humans are so hot to put labels and names to everything.

Now one more time: Revelations says Jesus will return and take the faithful to heaven, the rest will be smitten. So who will be left to inherit the earth besides LOWER LIFE FORMS? Anyone lucky enough to survive? Supposedly survival of the humans species is not supposed to happen at the end times.

Now I know bible verses are going to start flying. Let us please rise above that book for a little while and argue constructively among ourselves about the meaning of revelations rather than trying to prop up dated values and antiquated beliefs over select passages! There are five flavors of the bible, three are recognized as "definitive works." Again we can nit pick details to death BUT that does not do anything for the question posed at hand.


Yes Jesus comes and takes the faithful. That is to keep them from having to go through the tribulations. The ones left here still have a second chance for Jesus' return to build God's kingdom.

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Tue 02/22/11 05:18 PM
I have always thought that in the biblical context the idea of being meek or submissive was not to surrender self defense but rather to have humility to acknowledge that you are not the be all end all of creation, that you are a part of a whole

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Tue 02/22/11 05:42 PM

I have always thought that in the biblical context the idea of being meek or submissive was not to surrender self defense but rather to have humility to acknowledge that you are not the be all end all of creation, that you are a part of a whole


Some people take this to the extreme. Jesus only said to turn the other cheek. After that all bets are off!

Likewise in revelations it is pretty cut and dry, those spared by God (through Jesus) are saved, the rest condemned. There is no second chance after that according to revelations. It says nothing about anyone being left when the smoke settles. Supposedly the earth will be cloaked in perpetual darkness and all life will die. "The land will be barren and fields fallow. Famine will consume all that walks or crawls." The holy lands are supposed to be engulfed in fire.

NOW let us dig deeper! Jesus said in the New Testimate that the church is everywhere. it is no structure. Technically Jesus alluded to the whole earth being the church and in this the WHOLE planet is Holy Land. Keeping eth passages pertaining to the idea of what and where the church is, within us and around us, that implies the whole world is the Holy Land and that Armageddon will spill over the whole planet ergo the whole planet will be consumed in fire. Several learned scholars I have had this conversation with agree on that thought.

Now for a thought that came from someone else not of the Christian faith, the meek are the people caught in the middle of the fight between "good and evil" (Islam, Jew, and Christian) and it is those people who will be hiding when the others kill themselves off and it will be they who get to pick up the mess and carry on with Humanity's evolution.

Now personally I think the chances of Jesus making a comeback are about the same as a great Spaghetti Monster raining meatballs and Marinara from the sky arriving, say next Tuesday, to save mankind from starvation.

Oddly the Quar-an says an Eagle will come from the west and rain fire from the sky cleansing the holy land of infidels!

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Tue 02/22/11 05:57 PM


I have always thought that in the biblical context the idea of being meek or submissive was not to surrender self defense but rather to have humility to acknowledge that you are not the be all end all of creation, that you are a part of a whole


Some people take this to the extreme. Jesus only said to turn the other cheek. After that all bets are off!

Likewise in revelations it is pretty cut and dry, those spared by God (through Jesus) are saved, the rest condemned. There is no second chance after that according to revelations. It says nothing about anyone being left when the smoke settles. Supposedly the earth will be cloaked in perpetual darkness and all life will die. "The land will be barren and fields fallow. Famine will consume all that walks or crawls." The holy lands are supposed to be engulfed in fire.

NOW let us dig deeper! Jesus said in the New Testimate that the church is everywhere. it is no structure. Technically Jesus alluded to the whole earth being the church and in this the WHOLE planet is Holy Land. Keeping eth passages pertaining to the idea of what and where the church is, within us and around us, that implies the whole world is the Holy Land and that Armageddon will spill over the whole planet ergo the whole planet will be consumed in fire. Several learned scholars I have had this conversation with agree on that thought.

Now for a thought that came from someone else not of the Christian faith, the meek are the people caught in the middle of the fight between "good and evil" (Islam, Jew, and Christian) and it is those people who will be hiding when the others kill themselves off and it will be they who get to pick up the mess and carry on with Humanity's evolution.

Now personally I think the chances of Jesus making a comeback are about the same as a great Spaghetti Monster raining meatballs and Marinara from the sky arriving, say next Tuesday, to save mankind from starvation.

Oddly the Quar-an says an Eagle will come from the west and rain fire from the sky cleansing the holy land of infidels!



NOW let us dig deeper! Jesus said in the New Testimate that the church is everywhere. it is no structure. Technically Jesus alluded to the whole earth being the church and in this the WHOLE planet is Holy Land. Keeping eth passages pertaining to the idea of what and where the church is, within us and around us, that implies the whole world is the Holy Land and that Armageddon will spill over the whole planet ergo the whole planet will be consumed in fire. Several learned scholars I have had this conversation with agree on that thought.


1 corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

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Wed 02/23/11 07:14 PM
The signs of the end times have been happening for the past 1500 years. it's not happening now, and it's not going to happen anytime soon unless the sun decides to incerate us.

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Wed 02/23/11 07:40 PM
drinker

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Wed 02/23/11 10:01 PM

1 corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


That's Pantheism. In fact, many of the writings scattered throughout the biblical cannon are naturally going to be pantheistic in nature because, in truth, many ancient Jews where actually quite pantheistic in their spiritual thinking. Jesus being no exception to this obviously.

It really should come as no surprise that many of the spiritual views that made it into these biblical stories actually originated from the Eastern Mystics. What's actually surprising is the number of people who can't see the truth of this.

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Wed 02/23/11 10:17 PM


1 corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


That's Pantheism. In fact, many of the writings scattered throughout the biblical cannon are naturally going to be pantheistic in nature because, in truth, many ancient Jews where actually quite pantheistic in their spiritual thinking. Jesus being no exception to this obviously.

It really should come as no surprise that many of the spiritual views that made it into these biblical stories actually originated from the Eastern Mystics. What's actually surprising is the number of people who can't see the truth of this.


How does our father residing inside of us have anything to do with pantheism?

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Wed 02/23/11 10:19 PM

The signs of the end times have been happening for the past 1500 years. it's not happening now, and it's not going to happen anytime soon unless the sun decides to incerate us.


Doomsday preachers have been around for eons. In fact, if we accept the gospels to correctly portray Jesus we'd truly have no choice but to see Jesus as a doomsday preacher as well. According to the gospels that's precisely what he was preaching in his own generation:


Matt.24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Mark.13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Luke.21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.


If we're going to accept the gospels as some sort of literal truth, then we'd have no choice but to accept that Jesus himself was prohpecising the end of the world within his current generation. He would then be nothing more than just another false doomsday prophet since his predictions never came to pass in the time frame that he had predicted.

There's no way around this other than to pretend that these words mean something other than what they actually say. Of course people who are extremely desperate to support these myths do precisely that. They'll gladly totally ignore what the story actually says in an attempt to pretend that it could still hold some sort of truth if we simply don't take it too literally.

I personally don't see the point to that kind of thinking. If we need to reject the story as being literal, then why even bother with it at all at that point?

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