Doomsday preachers have been around for eons. In fact, if we accept the gospels to correctly portray Jesus we'd truly have no choice but to see Jesus as a doomsday preacher as well. According to the gospels that's precisely what he was preaching in his own generation:


Matt.24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Mark.13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Luke.21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.


If we're going to accept the gospels as some sort of literal truth, then we'd have no choice but to accept that Jesus himself was prohpecising the end of the world within his current generation. He would then be nothing more than just another false doomsday prophet since his predictions never came to pass in the time frame that he had predicted.

There's no way around this other than to pretend that these words mean something other than what they actually say. Of course people who are extremely desperate to support these myths do precisely that. They'll gladly totally ignore what the story actually says in an attempt to pretend that it could still hold some sort of truth if we simply don't take it too literally.

I personally don't see the point to that kind of thinking. If we need to reject the story as being literal, then why even bother with it at all at that point?

We're in the same generation as Jesus was preaching to. You're thinking with a secular mindset.

How does our father residing inside of us have anything to do with pantheism?

You, me, everyone in the world now, everyone that has ever walked the earth since the beginning of time are all in the generation of Adam and Eve.

That is the essence of pantheism. We and the father are one, just as Jesus had taught. Jesus himself was clearly a pantheist.

You just need to study up on world religions and philosophies. I'd highly recommend the books and DVD lectures by Deepak Chopra if you are interested in expanding your knowledge of human spirituality beyond the extremely limited views of the Mediterranean fables.

Yes, that's precisely the way you need to twist that to keep the fables even remotely alive. But of course, that's merely one of the twists you need to make. Actually by the time your done twisting the stories and putting band-aides on it, there isn't much original stuff left.

I don't see the point to it.

Accept something like Eastern Mysticism, and no twisting is required. No band-aides, nothing. Just pure spiritual insight with no problems. It's even compatible with evolution, science, nature, and everything. There's no problem at all truly. It even solves the "evil" problem without the need to create a satanic demon to blame for it.

I'm willing to bet that you'd truly enjoy learning about world religions if you can ever get out from under your current religious views.

It's actually an extremely beautiful picture of God and spirituality without all the negative aspects of the Abrahamic religions.

Yes, that's precisely the way you need to twist that to keep the fables even remotely alive. But of course, that's merely one of the twists you need to make. Actually by the time your done twisting the stories and putting band-aides on it, there isn't much original stuff left.

I don't see the point to it.

Accept something like Eastern Mysticism, and no twisting is required. No band-aides, nothing. Just pure spiritual insight with no problems. It's even compatible with evolution, science, nature, and everything. There's no problem at all truly. It even solves the "evil" problem without the need to create a satanic demon to blame for it.

I'm willing to bet that you'd truly enjoy learning about world religions if you can ever get out from under your current religious views.

It's actually an extremely beautiful picture of God and spirituality without all the negative aspects of the Abrahamic religions.

There is no bending, twisting, or any bandaids used my friend. It is you whom tries to twist the words trying to give the appearance something doesn't make sense in the bible, that is all you.

I disagree obviously.

In an effort to try to clean your God up you reject the notion of hell and the idea that this God casts his lost souls into a place of eternal torment.

Yet, in order to support that idealism you need to refute Jesus' own words where he suggests that it is better to pluck out your own eye if it offends you rather than to risk having your entire body cast into hell where there will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth, and where the flame will never be quenched and the worm shall never die.

You reject all of that as well, and try to clean it up a bit to try to make it appear a little more sane.

But the bottom line is that if you would simply embraces a better view of spirituality and God then you wouldn't need to constantly be in denial of the horrible fables that you have chosen to defend as the "Word of God".

That choice is your. In fact, you even demand that it must be a "choice". You can't claim that you have no choice but to believe in it (i.e. for example you see it as being the truth, and therefore have no other choice but to believe in it). For if you did that, this would violate your precious premise that it must be your own free will choice to believe it on your own faith. So you desperately try to "keep the faith" at all cost, because this is a premise of the religion, you MUST KEEP THE FAITH AT ALL COST! That's basically a commandment in a very real sense. To not believe in your religion is the SIN of blaspheme! And you must be extremely careful not to SIN lest you become the worm that is cast into the eternal hellfires where there will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth.

That's just a whole lot of negativity that I personally can do without.

Eastern Mysticism makes no such threats. They just offer a very sane intelligent picture of what spirit is most likely to be based on the human experience and what we can know about life itself. It's arrived at intelligently and not based on fear of reprisal if you fail to believe in something.

Clearly the God your religion portrays would hate the people who believe in the Eastern Mystical picture of God. For the God your religion constructs hates everyone who doesn't worship that religion.

The religion you've chosen to worship has placed far more focus on the religion itself than it has on God. It doesn't care whether you believe in God at all. All it cares about is that you support the religion. Turn your back on the religion and the religion claims that God will hate you for all of eternity!

That my friend, is a truly sad religion.

That is a religion that could not convince people of a God without making such extreme demands. It's entirely a fear-based religion.

Trust me, there is nothing to fear. The real creator of this universe is not going to be upset with you if you tell those ancient Hebrews where they can shove their male-chauvinistic dogma.

Truly.

I disagree obviously.

In an effort to try to clean your God up you reject the notion of hell and the idea that this God casts his lost souls into a place of eternal torment.

Yet, in order to support that idealism you need to refute Jesus' own words where he suggests that it is better to pluck out your own eye if it offends you rather than to risk having your entire body cast into hell where there will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth, and where the flame will never be quenched and the worm shall never die.

You reject all of that as well, and try to clean it up a bit to try to make it appear a little more sane.

But the bottom line is that if you would simply embraces a better view of spirituality and God then you wouldn't need to constantly be in denial of the horrible fables that you have chosen to defend as the "Word of God".

That choice is your. In fact, you even demand that it must be a "choice". You can't claim that you have no choice but to believe in it (i.e. for example you see it as being the truth, and therefore have no other choice but to believe in it). For if you did that, this would violate your precious premise that it must be your own free will choice to believe it on your own faith. So you desperately try to "keep the faith" at all cost, because this is a premise of the religion, you MUST KEEP THE FAITH AT ALL COST! That's basically a commandment in a very real sense. To not believe in your religion is the SIN of blaspheme! And you must be extremely careful not to SIN lest you become the worm that is cast into the eternal hellfires where there will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth.

That's just a whole lot of negativity that I personally can do without.

Eastern Mysticism makes no such threats. They just offer a very sane intelligent picture of what spirit is most likely to be based on the human experience and what we can know about life itself. It's arrived at intelligently and not based on fear of reprisal if you fail to believe in something.

Clearly the God your religion portrays would hate the people who believe in the Eastern Mystical picture of God. For the God your religion constructs hates everyone who doesn't worship that religion.

The religion you've chosen to worship has placed far more focus on the religion itself than it has on God. It doesn't care whether you believe in God at all. All it cares about is that you support the religion. Turn your back on the religion and the religion claims that God will hate you for all of eternity!

That my friend, is a truly sad religion.

That is a religion that could not convince people of a God without making such extreme demands. It's entirely a fear-based religion.

Trust me, there is nothing to fear. The real creator of this universe is not going to be upset with you if you tell those ancient Hebrews where they can shove their male-chauvinistic dogma.

Truly.

Eastern Mysticism makes no such threats. They just offer a very sane intelligent picture of what spirit is most likely to be based on the human experience and what we can know about life itself. It's arrived at intelligently and not based on fear of reprisal if you fail to believe in something.

The Bible mentions two dinosaurs by name and describes them in great detail. "Behemoth" (Job 40:15-24) and "Leviathan" (Job 41:1-34) From the description found in Job, scientists have attempted to identify these animals. They believe "Behemoth" is either a Hippo or an elephant, and "Leviathan" is a Crocodile or a whale. But these scientists limited their choices to non-extinct species and did not consider the possibility of dinosaurs because man and dinosaur never coexisted. Oh really? Even in my own personal Bible, a footnote suggests these two animals were a hippo and a crock! But there are some obvious reasons why this conclusion is wrong.

First, "Behemoth" cannot be a Hippo or an elephant, because of Job 40:17, "He bends his tail like a cedar." Hippos and elephants have short tails like a pig. A Behemoth had a large tail shaped like a cedar tree (large and tapered). I believe a better choice is that a Behemoth is a Brachiosaurus type of large land dwelling dinosaur. It fits the description perfect.

Second, "Leviathan" cannot be a crocodile or a whale, but is probably an Elasmosaurus type of large water-dwelling dinosaur. Here is what Job 41 says. Verse 9 says you will be cast down at the sight of him, so this was a tall animal. Verse 10 says he was fierce. Verse 15 says he had scales (whales don't have scales). Verse 25 says he raises himself up (crocs don't raise up at all but are always low). Also, this verse says this animal made a breaking, crushing, shattering sound as it walked. This animal was large! Verse 26 says the sword, spear, dart, and the javelin that reaches him cannot penetrate his scales (crocs and whales are quite easy to kill with a good spear). Verse 31 says he makes the depths boil like a pot; which might be where the fire-breathing dragon comes in. Verse 32 says behind him he makes a big wake (crocs make little wake if any). Verse 34 says he looks on everything that is high" (again, it was a tall animal with a long neck).

What is significant about this is that if "Behemoth" and "Leviathan" are dinosaurs, then it is crystal clear that Job had either seen them personally, or there was a recent memory of them. This of course flies in the face of current evolutionary theory.

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two points...first you say Jesus' appearance wasn't about religion..yet we have Christianity. You say he was here to teach us his father's laws..i thought Jesus was his own father? This is the widely accepted myth of christianity and why did God need him to do it, if he's all powerful and knowing, why couldn't he do it himself?
and how were there dinosaurs when they all predate the Torah?

Our father makes no threats. The circle of life is birth, life, death. God offers eternal life through his son if one wishes to accept it. No threats, only offers of love and eternal life if one wishes to pick the gift up.

The word "Christianity" was made by unbelievers. It's a title given to us from unbelievers because of our beliefs. It's a way to separate us from the rest of the population. Jesus is the word in flesh. Don't know why our father didn't do it himself, you'll have to ask that himself when the time comes.

The names Leviathan and Behemoth were used by other cultures as well to describe monsters of fiction, not Dinosaurs! There is NO historical references to dinos in the bible.

This is true. In the book of Job God supposedly speaks to Job about a large fire-breathing animal where flames leap out of its mouth and smoke spews from its nostrils. This is more like a description of a fire-breathing dragon than any dinosaur.

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two points...first you say Jesus' appearance wasn't about religion..yet we have Christianity. You say he was here to teach us his father's laws..i thought Jesus was his own father? This is the widely accepted myth of christianity and why did God need him to do it, if he's all powerful and knowing, why couldn't he do it himself?
and how were there dinosaurs when they all predate the Torah?