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Topic: Freddie, Michael and/or Jason
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Mon 02/07/11 01:41 AM
To me, Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees are both similar in the desires. They both kill young adults in - shall we say - amorous situations. :smile: It is difficult to nail down what motivates either of them, but their behavior is similar.

Freddie Krueger on the other hand doesn't exist in the waking world, for the most part anyway. Freddie is certainly more creative in the way he kills. But if you notice, he only kills teens that are involved in a relationship. Someone really cares for them.

So, I guess the lesson in all three is "love is dangerous!"

But, if we got the three of them together, would it be possible to get them to cooperate or would they always fight each other? If you could get them to cooperate, what would be their mutual goal? Would they be willing to be part of a team?

My opinion is there is no way they could cooperate. Each one would not tolerate another powerful presence in their area of influence. They are the top dog. Top dogs do not share.

so, then the question is: would it be possible in a knock down drag out fight for only one to emerge the victor? Can any of them ever die? If so, how and who wins?

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Mon 02/07/11 05:31 AM
To me, Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees are both similar in the desires. They both kill young adults in - shall we say - amorous situations. smile It is difficult to nail down what motivates either of them, but their behavior is similar.


Originally(in 1978) Michael's motivation was there was no motivation- he was simply EVIL, but then in 1981 with the sequel they decided his motivation was he would kill his relatives, then in later sequels they came up with him being controlled by an evil cult are some dumb thing like that, then H20 came along and he was back to killing relatives.

Jason's was REVENGE, he saw his mother beheaded so he went after Alice in the beginning of Part 2, after that I think in his twisted mind any teen should be punished for his mother's death, and eventually he just became an unstoppable mindless killing machine.

Freddie Krueger on the other hand doesn't exist in the waking world, for the most part anyway. Freddie is certainly more creative in the way he kills. But if you notice, he only kills teens that are involved in a relationship. Someone really cares for them.


Except in part 3, none of the teens were in relationships, and all of the teens pretty much felt abandoned by their parents.




I think Freddy VS Jason pretty much showed us- Freddy being the more intelligent would want to control Michael and Jason. If there was a teaming up, Michael and Jason would probably work together, Michael would be happy as long as he got to kill off a relative.

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Mon 02/07/11 05:46 AM
I completely agree! Nice answer, Torgo! :thumbsup:

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Mon 02/07/11 09:57 PM
I hope you meant Michael Jackson, b/c he's dead and now he is NECRO-JACKSON. The scariest of them all.

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Sat 02/12/11 11:27 AM

So, then the question is: would it be possible in a knock down drag out fight for only one to emerge the victor? Can any of them ever die? If so, how and who wins?


Then Victor Crowley would enter the ring and demolish the winner bigsmile

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Sat 02/12/11 04:19 PM


So, then the question is: would it be possible in a knock down drag out fight for only one to emerge the victor? Can any of them ever die? If so, how and who wins?


Then Victor Crowley would enter the ring and demolish the winner bigsmile


Especially if he uses his gas-powered power sander.

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Sat 02/12/11 09:31 PM



So, then the question is: would it be possible in a knock down drag out fight for only one to emerge the victor? Can any of them ever die? If so, how and who wins?


Then Victor Crowley would enter the ring and demolish the winner bigsmile


Especially if he uses his gas-powered power sander.


I tell you bro, That was awesome. and with my recent addition of Hatchet 2 and Piranha 3D. I'm in bloodbath heaven:)

...and they were actually really enjoyable!!

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Sun 02/13/11 10:08 AM




So, then the question is: would it be possible in a knock down drag out fight for only one to emerge the victor? Can any of them ever die? If so, how and who wins?


Then Victor Crowley would enter the ring and demolish the winner bigsmile


Especially if he uses his gas-powered power sander.


I tell you bro, That was awesome. and with my recent addition of Hatchet 2 and Piranha 3D. I'm in bloodbath heaven:)

...and they were actually really enjoyable!!


Haven't seen Hatchet 2 yet, but it's on it's way.

Love Piranha 3D! It was exactly what it advertised. I hope the upcoming sequel Piranha 3DD is as fun.

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Sun 02/13/11 09:11 PM
At the core of all three characters, there is, without a doubt, an evilness that drives these men. However, I find that Freddy is the more intense character.

See, if you go by the remake, Freddy loved the kids at the school he worked at. And, they loved him. Yes, this was a love based on his touching the kids, but the kids still (in there own way) loved him. But things change once the parents find out and decide to take action. So, they burn Freddy alive. Now, comes the interesting part. Freddy doesn't go after the parents. No. No. He knows the kids betrayed him, and so the kids that he loved now become the teens that he hates. Sure, there is the revenge factor in that Freddy kills the kids, all the while making the parents (the ones who killed him) suffer. Freddy believes that he hasn't done anything wrong. In his mind, he is not evil. That changes once he is killed and then becomes the "nightmare" in the dreamworld. He then embraces the evil.

Jason and Michael never really "lived". Jason died at a young age, and Michael was just born a bastard. To me, there isn't much depth to either of them. Not saying they are boring. Both are what they are. They kill because that is just what they do. I know Rob Zombie tried to add more depth to Michael in his remakes, but at the core of Michael is just pure evil. Jason saw his Mom get beheaded and thus....the monster was born. Even so, there is no explanation as to why he (and Michael) have this superhuman strength. At least we know why Freddy is powerful in the dream world.....he controls it.

Anyways, they are all dominant characters. I guess if a leader would emerge between them, it would be Freddy. I would go with his intelligence, cunning mind, and his planning to out do Michael and Jason. But that's just me. Brains over braun.

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Sun 02/13/11 09:55 PM
The Halloween series was my favorite, but Nightmare on Elm Street is a pretty close second. With Halloween, they should have stopped after 5 or 6 at the most. 1 and 2 were the best overall. drinker

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Mon 02/14/11 05:40 AM

The Halloween series was my favorite, but Nightmare on Elm Street is a pretty close second. With Halloween, they should have stopped after 5 or 6 at the most. 1 and 2 were the best overall. drinker


If you watch Halloween 6: The Producer's Cut it's a much better film than what was released to the theater/VHS.

My main complaint about Halloween 5 is the 2 cops, yet another horror flick that tries to have comic relief through bonehead cops, and their silly theme music didn't help.

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Mon 02/14/11 06:16 AM



Jason and Michael never really "lived". Jason died at a young age,



I don't think Jason did die, how else would he have grown to an adult? And grown a full head of hair and beard? I think Jason was left for dead, and basically raised himself in the woods. Jason's true death was part 4.

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Mon 02/14/11 05:36 PM




Jason and Michael never really "lived". Jason died at a young age,



I don't think Jason did die, how else would he have grown to an adult? And grown a full head of hair and beard? I think Jason was left for dead, and basically raised himself in the woods. Jason's true death was part 4.


Ah! Very true my friend. But then again, perhaps Jason did drown, and then he hit some electrical fish in the lake that brought him back to life, and then (at the end of the first Friday the 13th), he arose and grabbed the chick in the boat? Oh yeah. Silly crap like that always happens in horror flicks. :tongue: laugh

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Mon 02/14/11 06:27 PM
All I know is the remakes of Halloween rocked!

I wish i could say the same about Nightmare and Friday

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Mon 02/14/11 09:39 PM

All I know is the remakes of Halloween rocked!

I wish i could say the same about Nightmare and Friday


Wow, someone who recognizes quality.

I wish they had done better in the theaters, but everybody **** on the remakes b/c they were so loyal to that moron John Carpenter.

The original Halloween came out on the brink of the 'slasher' era, so everyone thinks Carpenter is a God. Nevermind that the do*chebag didn't have a lick of sense for continuity or editing. I sat through the original and felt like my soul was being sucked out. I haven't seen a film he directed or wrote that I actually liked.

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Tue 02/15/11 05:14 AM

All I know is the remakes of Halloween rocked!

I wish i could say the same about Nightmare and Friday


I preferred the the Friday The 13th remake over the Halloween remake, though that isn't saying a whole lot.

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Tue 02/15/11 05:24 AM


All I know is the remakes of Halloween rocked!

I wish i could say the same about Nightmare and Friday


Wow, someone who recognizes quality.

I wish they had done better in the theaters, but everybody **** on the remakes b/c they were so loyal to that moron John Carpenter.

The original Halloween came out on the brink of the 'slasher' era, so everyone thinks Carpenter is a God. Nevermind that the do*chebag didn't have a lick of sense for continuity or editing. I sat through the original and felt like my soul was being sucked out. I haven't seen a film he directed or wrote that I actually liked.


Whether you like Carpenter or his Halloween or not doesn't change the fact that his film laid the template for the modern slasher film. Without Halloween there wouldn't have been a slasher boom in the late 70's and early 80's. There wouldn't have been a Friday The 13th(even Sean S Cunningham admits they created Friday The 13th to cash in on Halloween's success), and Zombie remade Halloween because he considers the original one of his favorite horror films. Zombie has nothing but praise for the original.


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Tue 02/15/11 05:35 AM





Jason and Michael never really "lived". Jason died at a young age,



I don't think Jason did die, how else would he have grown to an adult? And grown a full head of hair and beard? I think Jason was left for dead, and basically raised himself in the woods. Jason's true death was part 4.


Ah! Very true my friend. But then again, perhaps Jason did drown, and then he hit some electrical fish in the lake that brought him back to life, and then (at the end of the first Friday the 13th), he arose and grabbed the chick in the boat? Oh yeah. Silly crap like that always happens in horror flicks. :tongue: laugh


I always thought it was all in Alice's mind when he pulled her in. Basically it was done for pure shock, they got the idea from the end of De Palma's Carrie.


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Tue 02/15/11 07:28 AM
Edited by Shayna1978 on Tue 02/15/11 07:30 AM



All I know is the remakes of Halloween rocked!

I wish i could say the same about Nightmare and Friday


Wow, someone who recognizes quality.

I wish they had done better in the theaters, but everybody **** on the remakes b/c they were so loyal to that moron John Carpenter.

The original Halloween came out on the brink of the 'slasher' era, so everyone thinks Carpenter is a God. Nevermind that the do*chebag didn't have a lick of sense for continuity or editing. I sat through the original and felt like my soul was being sucked out. I haven't seen a film he directed or wrote that I actually liked.


Whether you like Carpenter or his Halloween or not doesn't change the fact that his film laid the template for the modern slasher film. Without Halloween there wouldn't have been a slasher boom in the late 70's and early 80's. There wouldn't have been a Friday The 13th(even Sean S Cunningham admits they created Friday The 13th to cash in on Halloween's success), and Zombie remade Halloween because he considers the original one of his favorite horror films. Zombie has nothing but praise for the original.





That might be true, but Zombie also corrected all of the mistakes and plot holes from the original. He might believe the original was a classic, but he had the brains to know when mistakes were made. Besides, you don't believe every piece of PR garbage you hear do you? It's just good publicity to compliment the original, so your remake doesn't get **** on by the fans.

After the 70s exploitation horror, people were looking for something different. There had already been a few 'slasher' type films already made, but the demand for something new was at it's peak when Halloween came out. I know the 'slasher' era would have come with or without that boring 2-hour strangle-fest. I refuse to give the title to such a crappy movie, even if everyone else does.

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Tue 02/15/11 08:50 AM




All I know is the remakes of Halloween rocked!

I wish i could say the same about Nightmare and Friday


Wow, someone who recognizes quality.

I wish they had done better in the theaters, but everybody **** on the remakes b/c they were so loyal to that moron John Carpenter.

The original Halloween came out on the brink of the 'slasher' era, so everyone thinks Carpenter is a God. Nevermind that the do*chebag didn't have a lick of sense for continuity or editing. I sat through the original and felt like my soul was being sucked out. I haven't seen a film he directed or wrote that I actually liked.


Whether you like Carpenter or his Halloween or not doesn't change the fact that his film laid the template for the modern slasher film. Without Halloween there wouldn't have been a slasher boom in the late 70's and early 80's. There wouldn't have been a Friday The 13th(even Sean S Cunningham admits they created Friday The 13th to cash in on Halloween's success), and Zombie remade Halloween because he considers the original one of his favorite horror films. Zombie has nothing but praise for the original.





That might be true, but Zombie also corrected all of the mistakes and plot holes from the original. He might believe the original was a classic, but he had the brains to know when mistakes were made. Besides, you don't believe every piece of PR garbage you hear do you? It's just good publicity to compliment the original, so your remake doesn't get **** on by the fans.

After the 70s exploitation horror, people were looking for something different. There had already been a few 'slasher' type films already made, but the demand for something new was at it's peak when Halloween came out. I know the 'slasher' era would have come with or without that boring 2-hour strangle-fest. I refuse to give the title to such a crappy movie, even if everyone else does.


Zombie has been praising Halloween long before he made movies.

This argument will just go in circles, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

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