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Edited by
Fanta46
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Don't get too excited folks.
Pay attention to the last sentence in this non-Fox article. Time for the Supreme Court to weigh in: A federal judge in Florida struck down President Obama’s health-care reform law, saying it is unconstitutional. Twenty-six states sued to overturn the law, and U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson accepted their argument without trial. They argued that the government cannot force individuals to buy health insurance by 2014 or face penalties. In his decision, Vinson wrote, "It would be a radical departure from existing case law to hold that Congress can regulate inactivity under the Commerce Clause.” This ruling evens the score among lower courts' decisions, with two judges upholding the controversial law and two striking at least part of it down.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/judge-overturns-health-care-reform/objection/?cid=cs:headline2 Here it is again, This ruling evens the score among lower courts' decisions, with two judges upholding the controversial law and two striking at least part of it down.
Republican Politics and nothing more. |
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Here's another article that tells the full story.
Unlike Fox! 
This ruling is even more sweeping than the Virginia ruling that went against the law. The Florida judge ruled that nothing in the law allows a piecemeal implementation of the law, thus, by ruling a portion of it unconstitutional --the individual mandate-- the entire law is unconstitutional. Judge Vinson, however, refused to issue an injunction stopping implementation of the law pending appeals, a process that could take two years. "That left confusion about how the ruling might be interpreted in the 26 states that are parties to the legal challenge," the NY Times noted. Again, Judge Vinson, however, refused to issue an injunction stopping implementation of the law pending appeals, a process that could take two years.
Fox News didn't mention that now did they? |
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The next stop is likely the U-S Supreme Court. Sidebar: Florida's new governor is Rick Scott who, prior to his election victory (which he spent $60 million of his own money on), was best known as a fraudster who bilked Medicare. Under his stewardship the Columbia Hospital Corporation of America pleaded guilty to 14 felonies and was forced to pay a $2 billion fraud settlement, the largest in the history of the United States. The ruling raises an important question: Will anyone champion the cause of repealing requisite car insurance? Have we also not been coerced into purchasing car insurance for years? Would it be constitutional to deny medical assistance to the uninsured? Under federal law, they can't be denied, so they get treated for free. The cost of their health care is then passed on to people who do have insurance. Is that fair? Would it be fair to then say, no insurance, no treatment? If it's not fair, the argument then returns to having a public option which provides treatment for those who can't afford or who have been denied insurance coverage. Otherwise, what is the answer? For those who oppose the health care law, how do we tend to the needs of the uninsured and those who have been denied when we, the insured, will end up paying for their health care anyway, each time they visit the hospital? http://www.examiner.com/populist-in-national/judge-overturns-health-care-reform-law#ixzz1CgQne0kk |
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Here's another article that tells the full story. Unlike Fox!
This ruling is even more sweeping than the Virginia ruling that went against the law. The Florida judge ruled that nothing in the law allows a piecemeal implementation of the law, thus, by ruling a portion of it unconstitutional --the individual mandate-- the entire law is unconstitutional. Judge Vinson, however, refused to issue an injunction stopping implementation of the law pending appeals, a process that could take two years. "That left confusion about how the ruling might be interpreted in the 26 states that are parties to the legal challenge," the NY Times noted. Again, Judge Vinson, however, refused to issue an injunction stopping implementation of the law pending appeals, a process that could take two years.
Fox News didn't mention that now did they? Nope and fox news and all the rest of them (i.e cnn, msnbc... etc) also FAILED to mention that Judge Vinson did not STRIKE DOWN THE LAW... He simply ruled on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS REQUEST TO HAVE THE SUIT DISMISSED... and aptly wrote a good reason why it should go foward... If he had issued an injunction against the law being implemented he would have been exceeding the authority of the court for the proceedings he was adjudcating. |
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2 for 2, and the Federal Judge who ruled against it in VA, did not rule against the HC law as a whole.
So, that really makes it 2 and a half to 1 and a half! |
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Ah but the Supreme Court will settle this.
and consider this... If the law violates even the right of a single American citizen... (it violates mine)... it IS unconstitional. |
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"For those who oppose the health care law, how do we tend to the needs of the uninsured and those who have been denied when we, the insured, will end up paying for their health care anyway, each time they visit the hospital?"
very good question. We send the legislative branch back to the drawing boards... This time with US looking over their shoulders... Bet they can come up with a REAL and SUBSTANTIAL piece of legislation that will do the job and not cost a single american a piece of liberty... Or has our country reached the point where NONE of our legislators have the brains and the brass... to actually represent US. |
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Aye,
That's a fair opinion. It's yours and I have mine. All these court cases were brought up by Republican Govs and Republican Attorney Generals. This is eerily reminisces of the anti-lobbying laws Obama made and how the Republicans got them overturned. Overturned and all restrictions lifted. This is how the Republicans play politics and they know they control the Supreme Court with Roberts in charge. |
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Aye, That's a fair opinion. It's yours and I have mine. All these court cases were brought up by Republican Govs and Republican Attorney Generals. This is eerily reminisces of the anti-lobbying laws Obama made and how the Republicans got them overturned. Overturned and all restrictions lifted. This is how the Republicans play politics and they know they control the Supreme Court with Roberts in charge. Check the states again... Couple of Dems in the mix (att's genrls) However the thing needing checking is not the state officials... Check the populations of those states and you will find that at the time the suit was brought foward a majority of the 'constituiency' of those states was AGAINST the health care law... Those states were responding to a public outcry... right action (reguardless of which party the 'officials' filing it belonged). |
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Did you read this part?
The next stop is likely the U-S Supreme Court. Sidebar: Florida's new governor is Rick Scott who, prior to his election victory (which he spent $60 million of his own money on), was best known as a fraudster who bilked Medicare. Under his stewardship the Columbia Hospital Corporation of America pleaded guilty to 14 felonies and was forced to pay a $2 billion fraud settlement, the largest in the history of the United States. The ruling raises an important question: Will anyone champion the cause of repealing requisite car insurance? Have we also not been coerced into purchasing car insurance for years? Would it be constitutional to deny medical assistance to the uninsured? Under federal law, they can't be denied, so they get treated for free. The cost of their health care is then passed on to people who do have insurance. Is that fair? Would it be fair to then say, no insurance, no treatment? If it's not fair, the argument then returns to having a public option which provides treatment for those who can't afford or who have been denied insurance coverage. Otherwise, what is the answer? For those who oppose the health care law, how do we tend to the needs of the uninsured and those who have been denied when we, the insured, will end up paying for their health care anyway, each time they visit the hospital? |
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You may think this is unrelated, but this is the kind of people who are bringing these suits to court.
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OOps,
The score changes, "It is important to note that two of the three courts that have reviewed this law on the merits have found it constitutional, and those decisions --as well as two others the government prevailed on -- are pending in courts of appeal. At the same time, trial courts in additional cases have dismissed numerous challenges on jurisdictional and other grounds that have not been appealed," Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said. That means at least 4 Courts have ruled it Constitutional! Still more have refused to even hear the cases. |
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You may think this is unrelated, but this is the kind of people who are bringing these suits to court. Mud... and those that formed the law that is being sued have the same kind of mud attached to them... This is a reminder of WHY something as important as Health Care should be done in the light of day... and the current version of it is wrong... It was formed in a mudfight... and that mud will cling to it till it dies... Not a single one of our current politicians are clean of this mud... NOT ONE. |
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Florida U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson could rule later this month whether he will grant a summary judgment in favor of the states or the Obama administration without a trial.
Florida's former Republican Attorney General Bill McCollum filed the lawsuit just minutes after President Obama signed the 10-year, $938 billion health care bill into law in March. He chose a court in Pensacola, one of Florida's most conservative cities. The nation's most influential small business lobby, the National Federation of Independent Business, also joined the suit. Joining the coalition in the Florida case were: Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Ohio, Wisconsin and Wyoming. The other states that are suing are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Indiana, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and Washington. Texas and many of those states are not little or sparsely populated. This is Politics and nothing more. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Mon 01/31/11 10:56 PM
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Attorney Generals of the 26 States!
Luther Strange Alabama Rep 2011 2015 Tulane University John Burns Alaska Rep 2010 Appointed by Governor Seattle University Tom Horne Arizona Rep 2011 2015 Harvard University John Suthers Colorado Rep 2005 2015 University of Colorado Sam Olens Georgia Rep 2011 2015 Emory University Pam Bondi Florida Rep 2011 2015 Stetson University Lawrence Wasden Idaho Rep 2003 2015 University of Idaho Greg Zoeller Indiana Rep 2009 2013 Indiana University Thomas John Miller Iowa Dem 1995 2015 Harvard University (Republican Governor) Derek Schmidt Kansas Rep 2011 2015 Georgetown University Buddy Caldwell Louisiana Dem 2008 2012 Tulane University (but a Republican Gov) William Schneider Maine Rep 2011 Elected by the Legislature Suffolk University Bill Schuette Michigan Rep 2011 2015 University of San Francisco Jim Hood Mississippi Dem 2004 2012 University of Mississippi (Repub Gov) Mike DeWine Ohio Rep 2011 2015 Ohio Northern University Jon Bruning Nebraska Rep 2002 2015 University of Nebraska Catherine Cortez Masto Nevada Dem 2007 2015 Gonzaga University (Repub Gov) Wayne Stenehjem North Dakota Rep 2001 2015 University of North Dakota William Ryan Pennsylvania Rep 2005 2012 Villanova University Michael Wilson South Carolina Rep 2011 2015 University of South Carolina Marty Jackley South Dakota Rep 2009 2015 University of South Dakota Greg Abbott Texas Rep 2002 2015 Vanderbilt University Mark Shurtleff Utah Rep 2001 2012 University of San Diego Ken Cuccinelli Virginia Rep 2010 2014 George Mason University Rob McKenna Washington Rep 2005 2012 University of Chicago J. B. Van Hollen Wisconsin Rep 2007 2015 University of Wisconsin Bruce Salzburg Wyoming Dem 2007 Appointed by Governor University of Miami (Republican Governor) |
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Edited by
actionlynx
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Mon 01/31/11 11:24 PM
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Before going to bed tonight, I am going to peruse my copy of the Constitution. My gut instinct tells me that the Health Care Law IS unconstitutional. I'm not dead-set against health care, but I sure as hell have a hard enough time making ends meet now without health insurance. I don't agree with being forced to have auto insurance or homeowner's insurance. Even the wealthy are forced to buy insurance, and technically, they are self-insured due to their own wealth. Insurance is becoming nothing more than legalized extortion.
Building codes, fire codes, electrical codes, plumbing codes, state licensing, etc. are all examples of insurance meddling in politics to gain more money. The government then uses this as a way to generate more revenue of its own. Now, I am not saying that all these things are bad, but government needs to STOP giving so much influence to INSURANCE COMPANIES. They are the single most powerful lobbying group in the U.S. Others may have more lobbyists or spend more money, but insurance companies actually get more laws passed that affect each and every one of us. It's time to reign these companies in. If you doubt me, look in any tradesman's code book to see what group wrote that code. Then research where that group gets its funding. I guarantee it's from the insurance companies, not from the government or any other source. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 02/01/11 12:02 AM
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Because insurance can be considered commerce, there are legal constitional arguments for the involvement of federal law. However, even without that being the case, it is a matter of time before the states adopt financial responsibility mandates for healthcare instead of continuing to foster the high emergency room costs for all those uninsured they are not permitted to turn away and who cant afford to pay after they are billed.
mandatory car insurance took from 1927 to 2010 to be adopted nationwide, this will take time too,, but it will happen out of necessity for states to be more logical in the real world needs of their communities. Otherwise, more and more healthcare facilities will shut down unable to keep covering the costs of the uninsured and more and more health workers will become unemployed and less and less healthcare will be available. When it hits people where they live(closing hospitals, less access to care) they will bel all too willing to purchase insurance for those privileges to be accessible again. |
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Yep.
That's the ticket. Mandatory health insurance even if your living in a cardboard box just after you lost you job and house.
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We'll see what the supreme court does with it if Hussein pursues it. |
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Yep. That's the ticket. Mandatory health insurance even if your living in a cardboard box just after you lost you job and house.
If you live in a cardboard box you will get help. Read here, http://mingle2.com/topic/show/295768 And quit spreading the lies. Do you work for the Republican Party or what? |
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