Wow really, there are more opportunities for those of minority races and gender than for any other.......whose fault is it if they don't take advantage of them.......today the internet makes things more accessible than ever before...............and you are right the availability is unequally slanted towards minorities.....

I agree. Everything I can apply for anyone else can. There are things I can't apply for that are only for minorities

not really

of course its up to reasonable interpretation,, whether its more reasonable to assume a whole RACE of people are just underachievers who arent taking advantage of all the OPPORTUNITIES being afforded them


or whether, the affects of history have not exactly worn off enough for OTHER factors to come into play

Im sure its easy for some to just assume that minorities are just not 'trying hard enough'

I believe its not as logical an assumption and not backed up by nearly the amount of data and history that says otherwise

Im curious ,where is this evidence or data that suggests things are UNEQUALLY slanted towards minorities? I keep hearing it but nobody proves it,,,

how does one logically assume that in a culture where ceos and decision makers are 80-90 percent of one race, that they have suddenly defied their historical behavior to FAVOR others over their own,,,?

where people losing their homes doesnt become an issue when it affects mostly minorities but becomes a crisis once it hits middle and upper class

where people using drugs is criminal and uncivilized when it is done by minorities, but becomes a disease needing treatment when it hits the middle and upper class

where the unemployment rates hit double digits for minorities with little attention or concern but once it hits for middle and upper class it becomes a national dilemma

to deny that the history of this country has caused long lasting disparities based in race or to deny that racist policies and segregationist laws of past have created a long lasting gap in wealth and a long lasting strong CORRELATION between race and poverty or race and class,,,is to deny reality in favor of ignoring the elephant in the room


its evident to me that some groups are held personally accountable more so than others and that their individual behaviors are more often attributed to racial qualities than environmental qualities like other groups are

does one truly believe that a 2011 wealth disparity is summed up simply by one race being too lazy to take advantage of such 'overwhelming' opportunities?


shrugs

missing the point, someone has to POINT you or MAKE YOU AWARE of those things you apply for, and a PRE DETRMINED network based in social segregationplays a big part in leading to disparity in who becomes aware or exposed to resources , who gets REFERENCES for said resources, and who is seen as DESERVING of said resources


there are far more things, by virtue of network, that The majority race members can apply for then there are for minorities


the existence of both does not negate the reality of DISPARATE and UNEQUAL access

No not really. I used the internet. I guess someone did tell me about the internet. I sure wish someone would tell minorities about the internet. Next time I am in America and see a minority I will tell them about the internet.

In 2009 only 18% of African Americans over 25 had a bachelors degree or higher. I am sure it was even less in 1980. I am willing to bet much less. Even lower for an advanced degree.

The average age of a CEO is 55. (that is where I get 1980) That would mean that the odds of an african american being qualified for a CEO position would be much much smaller than a white man. That is why the odds seem stacked.

http://www.jbhe.com/features/52_degree-attainments.html

Here I just looked it up. In 1985 only 5.9% of Bachelors degrees were earned by African Americans. Only 5% for masters. Then you can spread this across all the types of degrees that are possible. Then you have to negate any company that is relatively new where the CEO is its founder. I would guess the numbers are not too too far off.

Oh its being taught through Social Services, schools and other resources like keep a job and employment connection but it takes a person to listen too

very condescending and an example of the assumptions which continue to make RACE a factor

do you think that your attitude and seas are not also rampant enough within the MAJORITY community that hires and fires , for those types of ASSUMPTIONS not to affect their decision making?

IM sorry sweety, it still does not explain a 20 TO 1 disparity in wealth

in fact , the numbers dont back up an explanation based in percentage of degree holders

and here is the reason, over the decade between 1998 and 2008( a little more recent than 1985)

the percentage of minority DEGREE holders (associates, masters, bachelors, and DOCTORATES) have seen slight INCREASES while the overal percentage of white americans has DECLINED

YET the employment numbers NOR the change in wealth gap seems to correlate with that growth trend

and IF the assertion that degreed status was responsible for the discrepancy, than we would STILL have to face that the ODDS were stacked against minorities, who by virtue of being minority would hold , all things being equal, only 5.9 percent of all degrees and could therefore always be ignored in their social issues by those who claim that such a degree disparity was reason enough for them to continue to have a 20:1 wealth disparity.

this is where environment plays a large part in what individual reality becomes

you probably cant find a social service worker in the county of clark who takes the time to do anything other than fill in paperwork , the mere caseload that social service workers have makes it illogical to truly believe they are sitting everyone down to explain resources to help them OUT OF POVERTY, it is the social service job to maintain them DURING poverty and thats pretty much the extent of what many if not most of them do


certainly, if they knew or such resources , they themself would probably not be choosing the high stress environment of the SOCIAL SERVICE

my whole point to all of this is that "oh poor me, i'm a minority" attitude... if someone does not try, they will never succeed, no matter what race or color...

Yeah well I took the time when I was a social worker.......I took the time to reach out and do speeches to those on TANF and welfare about their options and going back to school.......some listened some didn't.....but they are and were told......maybe getting social workers to explain all they have to do is get a GEF test for college take remedial courses to enter college and their time in college meets 20 required work hours they can volunteer the other 13 to 20 hours whatever is required working for the government while attending school have childcare provided receive medical and food benefits while attending........was I overwhelmed yeah I was.....did I do it anyways yes I did.....did I sacrifice my quality of work no I did not....but you are correct that's me

I agree, I have never had a 'poor me' attitude, but I study alot about racial disparity and I was brought up being taught about BOTH racial disparity in america and what it takes for minorities such as myself to OVERCOME disparities in AMerica