whoo, boy, this Canadian study sucks bigger and bigger one as I read it.

What do you mean, "17% more likely to die?"

I believe, and you scientist types can argue with me all you like, that everyone has 100% chance to die. Eventually.

The findings are ridiculously worded. Ergo, you can't believe a word of them.

What would have made sense is a categoricalization of findings in the following way:

average life expectancy of normals: XX years.

average life expectancy of BMI YY: ZZ years.

average life expectancy of BMI NN: MM years.

This would be still meaningless; a periodal breakdown of people's weights in their lifetime must be factored in to make the data less meaningless.

The more you read this stupid chart given by PKD, the less sense it makes, and now we've already entered negative territory (of sense) some time ago.

Never trust a skinny chef..........

Over the 10 years of the study. The posted text isn't from the study, it's from the WebMD review of the study.

Overweight, Obesity, and Mortality in a Large Prospective Cohort of Persons 50 to 71 Years Old

This is the research that the study performed by the CDC was based upon. If you look at Figure 1, Chart A, you will see that the lowest chance of death in the sample group was people with a BMI between 25 and 28 (which is classified as overweight).

Let us know how the complaining works and if it solves the obesity problem.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-obit-jacklalanne


Here is what I say to your studies Blam baby read it and weep lol


and Singmeweet - I will tell you a true story I joined the AirForce at 17 got out 3 years later came home for 3 months before I went to Thailand to try and be a fighter,
When I came home my buddy from Highschool best friend those days was sitting around still living with the family and doing nothing got big over the 3 years I was gone, I talked to him we hung out, I said man you got to do something with your life, he asked me what I said military

So he goes to the recruiters decided he wants to be a marine they tell him he has to get in shape before he can even go to Boot Camp he asks me to help, I helped worked out with him everyday was on his arse all the time he got in gnarly shape joined the Marine Corps reserves and is doing something and he thanked me for the help I gave him and for motivating him to get off his arse and improve his life, it was a great feeling to help a friend, he's still my best friend and he's going to Afghanistan here soon.

So I will do something about bigger people I am helping family members when I am back in the states friends people at the gym that are big I motivate them and ride there arse because I know what they can be.


So you can sit on your arse complain I am mean and try to convince me I am wrong at tell people being fat is cool or you can do something to change.

Everything above is a true story btw

You still aren't getting it?

We are talking probabilities and averages here, not absolutes.

I think your talking about a whole lot of Boshnit

ehhh mate sure sounds like it to me

And I am talking about if you eat healthy and exercise like for realsies not I say Id but cheat

You will have a healthier and higher quality of life than someone who doesn't

But keep making excuses of why you want to stay big

and I think I read someone saying the wouldn't want to look like a model haha your shizzen me right

I never said you were wrong in that being fat is unhealthy. I'm just saying that complaining and putting people down doesn't help. And because I think that, it does not mean I'm sitting on my ***. I was just giving my opinion.

I've said earlier that encouragement helps people a lot. Sounds like that helped your friend, which is a good thing.

It's good to be skinny for a model but I would like my GF to have a few pounds. Curves are only visible then...:-)

Dude I totally agree with you and what models is everyone looking at to where the figure is not wanted I love curves rolls on the other hand are just disgusting

What you are saying already makes more sense.

I'm not even denying that "has 17% more chance to die" is NECESSARILY stupid. Not at all. But the trick to quoting statistics is that you also need to quote the context in which the very quote fits.

True, everyone has a 100 percent chance of dying. But between 51 and 70, some people have more chance to die than others. Everyone dies within 200 years of their birth. But people die at different ages, and sometimes some predictors can calculate the chances of a person taken at random at what age he or she will die.

Statistics get a bad name because people quote statistics unthinkingly. A lot of research is meaningless, true, but the neglecting of co-quoting contextually necessary specifics is more often the culprit for seeing meaningless probability statistics in the media.

You're right, now it starts to fall in place.

Woah, this thread is moving fast. I'm quoting different people here.



Some people, under some circumstances, will change some of their behaviors due to threat of public ridicule - that doesn't make it desirable to use threat of public ridicule as a means of changing behavior. Some people who have weight issues have both addiction issues and self esteem issues. While addiction drives them to continue eating, being victims of public ridicule can exacerbate the self esteem issue, creating a cycle. A fat cycle.

People who have a healthy level of self esteem will not be effected by ignorant and childish people ridiculing them.

Best case scenario: you have someone who has changed their behavior because of this threat of public ridicule - is that desirable? I don't think so. I'd rather they learn to value themselves and their healthy.




Once again Spider voices my own thoughts. What so disturbing about a fat girl being super confident? I've known some very heavy women who were not only super confident, they were semi-athletic. They'd go on long distance week long hikes, they go bike touring, long distance swimming. I find them to be very attractive women.



Thats not how i took it, at all. I thought the whole point was: people have preferences. You don't like fat girls. Some people don't like people who can't (or don't bother) to use proper english. I agree with Spider, its completely on topic.



It makes sense to me. Past a certain point, being overweight places unreasonable physical stress on different systems of the body, which could shorten your life span. But below that point, slightly overweight people seem to me to be less psychologically stressed (and less effected by stressers) than all us skinny people.

Skinny meditating monks would be an exception, with their



Agreed.



Some people have difficulty accepting that others are really very different then they are. Also, some people find it threatening when people have beliefs different then theirs.

Consider:



Maybe this is obvious to everyone, but: this is only an opinion. Some people have different opinions. Some people actually like rolls of fat on a women.

You are right, to feel bitter for not appreciated for putting your neck on the line.

I know other soldiers, however, who went into the army at 18, to get a university education, they were laughing at everyone, one of these guys I know even got married, he was sent to Afgh, he saw death, and his baby got born back home two days after his best buddy was blown to pieces. He is depressed as hell, goes back into war for second term in a month, and he is not complaining for being out in the mud while we fatten our pink ***** back here.

He realizes he made a bad decision by going into the navy, into the armed forces, he knows war is hell much like you, he knows that he can't complain because that means he is negating either all his noble upper hand that he is doing it not selfishly, and if he is not, then he would be negating his own intelligence.

So it's okay for you to say that we sit here fattening our pink bottoms while you face death almost daily, but it's okay for us to say that you made a decision once that you could just as easily not make, and if you did, then why blame us? Because we did not make the same stupid decision?

I don't see why this is a moral fault in us. I reject that, and yes, we do have the right to speculate and philosophise, and you do have the right to go out and shoot people's heads off in Afgh.

That's the way I see it, anyway.

You are not in Viet Nam, where people were sent. You are in Afgh, where you signed up to go. Biiig difference, my friend.

dude you are off topic. this thread was hijacked pages ago. get a life

I wish you well OP. I think you have the right attitude.

I giggled to myself when I read that someone found it off-putting for a fat girl to have confidence. Confidence is not measured in pounds.....it's measured in self worth and pride for the person that you are. It's all encompassing, not just a visual peek in a good mirror.

Hold the bag to your mouth and breathe in deeply....now let it all out. Ahhhhhhhhhhh, all better......

Absolutely love the new pic

Thank ya' muchly.....It's a skinnier me....
Kind of fitting considering the topic!

I love it. You look absolutely amazing!