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Topic: Lead a better life.
Dragoness's photo
Mon 01/03/11 09:50 AM

Are you theist or atheist?
Who do you think leads a better life,theist or atheist?what


Atheists lead better lives because they actually live life expecting to be rewarded by the life they live while they live it. There is no hypocrisy or arrogance in that life. Just living it and being the best they can be while doing it.

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Mon 01/03/11 09:52 AM






Sorry but I've got to agree with thomas on this one.

It only takes one thread started by an upstanding christian to get every atheist in the forum to jump in and start the verbal beatdown.




if you go back and actually read my posts you will see that i have not attacked anyone...only defended MY right to be an upstanding non believer and YOUR right to be a christian.


I din't attack you. I simply voiced my support for the man that I agree with.



well if you agree with all of that unfounded ranting then you both have issues. my statements were based on experiences with SOME believers not all...but by supporting those blanket anti atheist stabs without looking at individual people its just wrong and not what Jesus would do!


Um excuse me? We have issues? I believe you just broke a forum rule and attacked a forum user! 2 of us! If I report this post I could get you in some serious trouble. Please don't let this happen again.

I would not report a fellow christian but I have no quams about reporting an atheist. Please keep this in mind. happy

Now as I said earlier I think people should have proof!

Do you have any proof that Jesus. The son of God, would NOT stand up for his own teachings?

Jesus defended himself against pharisees who claimed to be on the christian side.

Anti-athesist stabs? What!? As I said before he was simply defending his side and I was agreeing with him. Is that really so wrong?

have atter with your report "the record will show" ....there was nothing to defend..i did not attack him in any way...in order to debate a subject one must be able to express an opinion...i did that in a respectful,calm way and received rantings in return. This is supposed to be interesting and fun..IT IS NEITHER!! frustrated frustrated frustrated


Don't have a cow!

If your not having fun bashing the Christians then go to a website made for christian bashing!

Dragoness's photo
Mon 01/03/11 10:03 AM
From my experience in these forums some Christians feel that when people talk of their religion without the reverence they feel, it is insulting. It isn't though. But they then attack those who are discussing as if they personally attacked them.

To discuss the religion without reverence means to discuss the cold hard facts of it.

They may not be pretty.

It is still the facts of it.

Some Christians need to step back and realize that the facts of their book and the track record of their religion may not be a bed of roses to discuss but it is the facts of the matter.

People don't have to cater to the religious as if they are delicate and tender.


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Mon 01/03/11 12:45 PM
Edited by Abracadabra on Mon 01/03/11 12:46 PM

From my experience in these forums some Christians feel that when people talk of their religion without the reverence they feel, it is insulting. It isn't though. But they then attack those who are discussing as if they personally attacked them.

To discuss the religion without reverence means to discuss the cold hard facts of it.

They may not be pretty.

It is still the facts of it.

Some Christians need to step back and realize that the facts of their book and the track record of their religion may not be a bed of roses to discuss but it is the facts of the matter.

People don't have to cater to the religious as if they are delicate and tender.


Truly.

And all humans have the right to comment on any doctrines that claims to speak on behalf of the creator of all mankind.

And if their view is that those doctrines are far too absurd and unwise to be the voice of any supposedly all-wise supreme being, then that's a valid view.

Besides as long as the supporters of these doctrines insist on holding them up as the "Word of God", then arguments to the contrary are more than justified.

If they want to believe it for themselves and base their own lives on it, then fine, they can do that privately with no problem.

But as long as they continue to run evangelizing and proselytizing schemes to shove this bigoted nonsense in the face of other people, then they deserve to have all the flaws and objections concerning these text shoved right back in their face.

If they weren't continually shoving the Bible in the face of other people arguing that it is the word of God, then they wouldn't need to hear all the objections and reasons why people don't buy into that idea.

If you come to sell me your product, I should have the right to tell you why I'm not impressed with it, and why not interested in buying it and/or have no need for it.

That should not be considered to be an insult on the part of the seller. Just move along and realize that some people aren't interested in what you're trying to sell.


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Mon 01/03/11 01:53 PM


Are you theist or atheist?
Who do you think leads a better life,theist or atheist?what


Good people will be good and bad people will be bad, what they believe doesn't appear to have much effect on that.

However, I have heard quite many religious people suggest that if they didn't believe in a God they would have no reason to conduct themselves in a moral fashion. In fact many theists actually use that as some sort of argument for the existence of God, claiming that if there is no God there's no reason to be moral. whoa

So apparently all those people are saying is that if they didn't believe that they would be rewarded for good behavior and punished for bad behavior they'd have no reason to be good.

I personally think that's pretty sad.

Also, I can't help but wonder who a God would truly be more pleased with: An atheist who is good simply because it's who they truly are, or a religious person who's only good because they fear punishment or lust for a reward of eternal life?

It would seem to me that a God would be far more pleased by an atheist who is good simply because it's who they truly are even though they believe that when they die it's just "lights out".

So I would think that nothing could possibly impress God more than a good atheist.

A good atheist has got to be God's greatest pride and joy in all of creation. flowerforyou



good and bad are different views from everybody...what you might consider good, someone else may not think so. take the suicide bombers for example... they think they are doing their gods work, while we over here think they are nuts. same with the religious peoples thinking of atheists. That is one of the reasons why there are so many problems in the world, because who can say who is right and who is wrong.

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Mon 01/03/11 11:39 PM



Are you theist or atheist?
Who do you think leads a better life,theist or atheist?what


Good people will be good and bad people will be bad, what they believe doesn't appear to have much effect on that.

However, I have heard quite many religious people suggest that if they didn't believe in a God they would have no reason to conduct themselves in a moral fashion. In fact many theists actually use that as some sort of argument for the existence of God, claiming that if there is no God there's no reason to be moral. whoa

So apparently all those people are saying is that if they didn't believe that they would be rewarded for good behavior and punished for bad behavior they'd have no reason to be good.

I personally think that's pretty sad.

Also, I can't help but wonder who a God would truly be more pleased with: An atheist who is good simply because it's who they truly are, or a religious person who's only good because they fear punishment or lust for a reward of eternal life?

It would seem to me that a God would be far more pleased by an atheist who is good simply because it's who they truly are even though they believe that when they die it's just "lights out".

So I would think that nothing could possibly impress God more than a good atheist.

A good atheist has got to be God's greatest pride and joy in all of creation. flowerforyou



good and bad are different views from everybody...what you might consider good, someone else may not think so. take the suicide bombers for example... they think they are doing their gods work, while we over here think they are nuts. same with the religious peoples thinking of atheists. That is one of the reasons why there are so many problems in the world, because who can say who is right and who is wrong.



I will go further to say the problems stem largely from a lack of accountability,, there is always a REASON for why people act how they act and it never STARTS with them,,,rather with a book, or a racial label, or a cultural label,,,etc,,,

there can be no right without wrong and there will not be a concensus on those things amongst billions of people living so many different lifestyles and circumstances


greedy, hypocrites, liars, cheats, murderers, all exist in the HUMAN dynamic, and they would do so with or without religion, nationality, gender, race or culture

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