Am I a product of my environment OR WAS I MERELY INFLUENCED BY MY INVIRONMENT? I SUBMIT THAT WE ARE INFLUENCED BY OUR INVIRONMENT, BUT NONE IS THE PRODUCT OF ANY INVIRONMENT. IF THAT WERE TRUE, THEN ALL WHO SURVIVE AND LIVE TO ADULTHOOD, ALL HAVING BEEN SUBJECTED TO THE SAME INVIRONMENT WOULD ALL BE ALIKE! AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT IS NEVER THE CASE. WE ALL TAKE AWAY SOMETHING FROM OUR INVIRONMENT AND PROBABLY USE IT TO WHAT WE THINK AND WANT IT TO BE TO OUR ADVANTAGE AT SOME POINT WITHIN OUR LIFE. BUT – BEING THAT ALL WHO COME FROM ANY INVIRONMENT ARE NOT ALIKE – WE MUST SURMISE THAT THERE IS NO TRUTH TO BEING THE PRODUCT OF MY INVIRONMENT.

SO WHAT’S THE BIG DEAL ABOUT THIS? I SUBMIT THAT WE ALL CARRY WITH US THROUGHOUT LIFE WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED IN OUR EARLY LIFE FROM THOSE WHOM WE RESPECT AND BELIEVE TO BE WISER THAN US. AND THIS HAS BECOME AN ACCEPTABLE THEORY AS BEING FACTUAL CONCERNING OUR MAKEUP IN PART. WE SHOULD NO LONGER ACCEPT THIS PREMISE. WE ARE NOT THE PRODUCT OF OUR INVIRONMENT. WE ARE THE PRODUCT OF WHAT OUR CREATOR CREATED US TO BE – SIMPLY AND IRREVOCABLY.

IF ONE BELIEVES IN A CREATOR, IN HAVING BEEN CREATED FOR A PURPOSE AND LIVING UNTIL WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED OUR PREORDAINED PURPOSE WHILE ON EARTH, THEN IT SHOULD ALSO BE ACCEPTED THAT WHATEVER WE ARE IS WHAT WE WERE CREATED TO BE, REGARDLESS OF OUR INVIRONMENT. HAPPENSTANCE AND “WHAT IF NESS” BOTH REPRESENT QUESTIONABLE AUTHORITY. IT RUNS COUNTER WITH “PURPOSE” CREATION. WE ARE EITHER PREORDAINED WITH A PURPOSE OR WE ARE NOT. IF WE ARE NOT, THEN WHATEVER WE BECOME IS TOTALLY WITHIN OUR POWER AND DESIRES. IT WE ARE, OUR DESIRES AND PROCLIVITIES ARE IMMATERIAL TO THE FACTS.

WE HAVE ONE AND ONLY ONE THING WHICH WE HAVE CONTROL OVER. THAT IS OUR THOUGHTS. EVEN THOSE ARE NOT BOUNDLESS BUT ARE KEPT WITHIN GUUIDE LINES PREDETERMINED FOR US BY OUR CREATOR THAT WILL NOT PERMIT OTHER THINGS/THOUGHTS/ACTIONS TO INTERRUPT OUR PURPOSE NOR TIMELINE TO ACCOMPLISH OUR PURPOSE/GOAL. WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE WHAT OUR CREATOR HAS PURPOSED FOR US. IN OTHER WORDS, WE MAY CHOOSE TO GO THROUGH LIFE CHEERFULLY OR REMORSEFULLY AND ONLY THAT. SMILE OR FROWN, COMPLIMENT OR CONDEMN, BE HAPPY OR MISERABLE.

IS THAT TO SAY WE ARE LIKENED TO PUPPETS? MAYBE SO IN A SENSE OF THE WORD BUT NOT COMPLETELY. WE CAN EITHER SET OUR OWN PURPOSE OR GOD DOES. YOU CHOOSE WHICH ONE TO BELIEVE BUT YOU CANNOT CHOOSE BOTH. WE DO OR GOD DOES. YOU DECIDE AND YOUR DECISION WILL HAVE A NOTICABLE INFLUENCE ON YOUR LIFE AND LIFESTYLE. IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA THAN GOD FOR YOUR LIFE – GO FOR IT AND LIVE WITH IT. GOOD LUCK. I CHOOSE TO GIVE GOD THE CREDIT FOR ME AND I’M HERE DOING WHAT I’M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WITHOUT CONDEMNATION OR JUDGMENT NEEDED ON THE PART OF ANYBODY, UNLESS OF COURSE SOMEONE C0NSIDERS THEMSELVES TO BE EQUAL TO GOD.

Okay, no more cap locks for you!!

I disagree. There is no free will in the religious environment (Christian) There is only the lie of free will. The god in that religion is omnipotent so he is the cause of all that happens good and evil. Just ask someone in that religion about the terrible thing that happened to those good people down the street and you will hear how god works in mysterious ways, only god knows his plan, when it is your time to go, etc...

Now as for our influences growing up, we are partially products of our environment. Not all that we are is environment.

yes, reminds me of similar logic my great gran told my mom
'you cant fall in love with anyone you arent around'


in other words, until you are exposed to it,, you dont know it, ,,so we are limited by our exposures and experiences,,,

yup. freedoms of all kinds are earned and paid for by somebody else. exercise all that are appropriate to the situation. go for it. thanks.

thumbs up beautiful lady. you're right on target in my opinion. And thanks for your opinion and reply. Have a beautiful day.

i understand about the cap locks. i wrote this piece several months ago and must have been drunk. lol. thanks.

thanks for your valued opinion. it's a wonderful thing that we can do this stuff, don't you think. keep it up girl. go with the flow and let 'er rip. thanks again.

K...wasnt that Charlie Mansons defense?? " Im just a product of the environment that created me" ??

the same can be said for the historically oppressive secular societies as well.. Stalins Soviet Union, Maos Peoples Republic of China and Hitlers National Socialist German Workers Party.. All fine examples of religion hating secularists that caused the mass murder of millions. How much freewill was going on in those regimes?

Galtons study of nature vs nurture and his subsequent books on heritability led to the eugenics movement and mass sterilization and outright murder.

Galtons theory was totally accepted and pushed by the progressive movement in the late 19th century and early 20th century.

Social Darwinism.. the religion haters means to an end

Social Darwinism has been used by religion haters to justify their attack on humanity. Believing in Darwins theory does not make you a religion hater. Its a persons choice as to what he or she uses as the crutch to compel others to hate.

Did you miss the OP?

He states that god is your base environmental influence outside of your free will.

So what the heck are you talking about?

I didn't reply to the OP I replied to your singling out a specific religion.

I was illustrating the lie of the secular utopia including freewill.

I would hazard to state that dependent upon the environment being macro or micro in conjuction with the disposition of the said child and the intorverted extrovertedness.......etc to determine how the environment is handled and metally processed in order to tell the outcome or influence the said environment had upon the said child over growth and time

I would agree with this, but also take it a step further. The fact alone that.....that the God of the Bible is said to predestine us to heaven or hell, goes against the idea of free will. If God already knows what we will choose before we choose it, then it's not us really freely choosing as much as us playing out a script.