Topic: Blame Bush for North Korea's Nukes
Lpdon's photo
Fri 12/24/10 08:17 AM


God it is so easy to blame everything from Illegal Aliens from Mars to Anthrax epidemics on Bush! N Korea has been a problem since the 1950s. If anyone set the pace to show America's weakness in the world forum it was President Jimmy "Peanuts" Carter and look at what the Iranian Hostage Crisis led to.

No, Nukes in N Korea is China's baby as well as the lax and poor response to the constant provocations of the N Koreans by the UN, the worlds largest ineffectual debate society!

So do we blame Bush for Iran having the bomb too? OH WAIT A MINUET! ISN'T RUSSIA THE BIG INVESTOR THERE???
A brief history of Iran showes how the CIA over threw a democratic government in Iran in 1953. The Shaw came to power in a coup led by the CIA and ran Iran with an Iron fist. The Shaw made saddam look moderate. Realy people please try to educate yourselves on real historical facts and not the propaganda version of events. Anyhow the backlash from our support of the Shaw a brutal dicator is what led to the Iran hostage crisis in the first place. We were what kept the shaw in power while he brutalised and tortured all oposition.


No, a brutal dictator is in there now. Just look at the last Presidential election where women and children were gunned down.

Lpdon's photo
Fri 12/24/10 08:19 AM

Before it was Iran it was Persia.
It's borders have changed many times. At one time it included Afganistan.
It existed long before the US was a nation.
It's borders became what they are today in 1935.

Bush is an idiot and a coward.
His legacy to the world and the damage he did to America should never be forgotten.


A coward that took two brutal regimes out of power. laugh rofl laugh I needed a good laugh thanks. That's one thing you cant call President Bush.

Lpdon's photo
Fri 12/24/10 08:20 AM
Oh and by the way, President Bush was vindicted the day Saddam and his leadership was convicted by an IRAQUI court.

Bestinshow's photo
Fri 12/24/10 09:36 AM

Oh and by the way, President Bush was vindicted the day Saddam and his leadership was convicted by an IRAQUI court.
Ever wonder why this wasnt televised? It was a Kangaroo court right out of the Stalin Era. I am sure Saddam would have been able to emberass our government for how we supported him throghout the worst of his attrocities. Its the same old story from Cuba to Panama we support all right wing dictators that support us but when they try to call their own shots we take them out.

Bestinshow's photo
Fri 12/24/10 09:43 AM
The worst human rights abuses of Hussein's tenure took place during the genocidal al-Anfal Campaign (1986-1989), in which Hussein's administration called for the extermination of every living thing--human or animal--in certain regions of the Kurdish north. All told, some 182,000 people--men, women, and children--were slaughtered, many through use of chemical weapons. The Halabja poison gas massacre of 1988 alone killed over 5,000 people. Hussein later blamed the attacks on the Iranians, and the Reagan administration, which supported Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War, helped promote this cover story.
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/internationalhumanrights/p/saddam_hussein.htm

Chazster's photo
Fri 12/24/10 11:23 AM
Are we still blaming bush for everything? Are we still gonna be doing this is 30 years?

Fanta46's photo
Fri 12/24/10 08:22 PM


Before it was Iran it was Persia.
It's borders have changed many times. At one time it included Afganistan.
It existed long before the US was a nation.
It's borders became what they are today in 1935.

Bush is an idiot and a coward.
His legacy to the world and the damage he did to America should never be forgotten.


A coward that took two brutal regimes out of power. laugh rofl laugh I needed a good laugh thanks. That's one thing you cant call President Bush.


Brutal? laugh laugh laugh
He attacked one country based on fabricated reasons, and then ignored the ones who attacked us.

Iraq was so brutal their soldiers strip off their uniforms and buried their weapons rather than fight us.

He sent my brothers to die in an illegal war but when it was his turn, Vietnam, he used his daddy's influence and connections to defer himself from going.

Cheney used 7 deferments to avoid going.

Those are the worst kind of cowards.
Refuse to risk your own life, yet eagerly send others to risk theirs.

Cowards!

Chazster's photo
Fri 12/24/10 08:35 PM
Please explain what laws make declaring war illegal.

Fanta46's photo
Fri 12/24/10 11:38 PM

Are we still blaming bush for everything? Are we still gonna be doing this is 30 years?


Some of us will never forget.

None of us should ever forget.

Chazster's photo
Sun 12/26/10 06:58 AM


Are we still blaming bush for everything? Are we still gonna be doing this is 30 years?


Some of us will never forget.

None of us should ever forget.


Yea I know. I bit my cheek yesterday. Damn Bush.frustrated

Fanta46's photo
Sun 12/26/10 02:33 PM

Please explain what laws make declaring war illegal.


OK,
First, he fabricated evidence.
That's illegal in any court.

Second, he and his cronies outed an undercover CIA agent.
That reason for the death penalty or at least life in prison.

Then, he attacked another country without provocation.
That makes me ashamed to be an American. Let alone the veteran that I am.

In the 80s, I remember when the gas attacks happened against the Kurds.
US Army intelligence went and investigated and determined that the gas used was not available to the Iraqis.
They should know since any gas Iraq had was supplied to them by us.
The Army intelligence determined the gas was Iranian. Not Iraqi, and it killed the Kurds as a result of an on-going battle in the area between Iraq and Iranian forces. The Kurds were helping Iran (allies) and would not leave the area.

Bush is a coward! and don't feed me that chit of how he took out two evil regimes.
Iran's military for the most part disintegrated rather than fight, and Bush used the Northern alliance to take out the Taliban in Afghanistan. Then he pretty much ignored the war until Obama took office.

Bush the coward was all to eager to send Americans to die, but when it was his turn during Vietnam he hid behind his daddy's influence and connections to stay home safe and sound.
Cheney used seven deferments during the same war. Student deferments!

They are the worst kind of coward there is.

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 12/27/10 07:43 AM


Please explain what laws make declaring war illegal.


OK,
First, he fabricated evidence.
That's illegal in any court.

Second, he and his cronies outed an undercover CIA agent.
That reason for the death penalty or at least life in prison.

Then, he attacked another country without provocation.
That makes me ashamed to be an American. Let alone the veteran that I am.

In the 80s, I remember when the gas attacks happened against the Kurds.
US Army intelligence went and investigated and determined that the gas used was not available to the Iraqis.
They should know since any gas Iraq had was supplied to them by us.
The Army intelligence determined the gas was Iranian. Not Iraqi, and it killed the Kurds as a result of an on-going battle in the area between Iraq and Iranian forces. The Kurds were helping Iran (allies) and would not leave the area.

Bush is a coward! and don't feed me that chit of how he took out two evil regimes.
Iran's military for the most part disintegrated rather than fight, and Bush used the Northern alliance to take out the Taliban in Afghanistan. Then he pretty much ignored the war until Obama took office.

Bush the coward was all to eager to send Americans to die, but when it was his turn during Vietnam he hid behind his daddy's influence and connections to stay home safe and sound.
Cheney used seven deferments during the same war. Student deferments!

They are the worst kind of coward there is.
drinker

Chazster's photo
Mon 12/27/10 09:43 AM
For one can you prove he is the one that fabricated the evidence? It is hard to believe he is an idiot but also fabricated evidence. Either way those things don't make declaring war illegal.

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 12/27/10 09:58 AM

For one can you prove he is the one that fabricated the evidence? It is hard to believe he is an idiot but also fabricated evidence. Either way those things don't make declaring war illegal.
LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.

FACT: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by Judith Miller in the New York Times, has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of Energy officials, who monitor nuclear plants, say the tubes could not be used for enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst, who was part of the tubes investigation, angrily told The New Republic: "You had senior American officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's just a lie."

http://www.alternet.org/story/16274

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 12/27/10 09:59 AM
LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

FACT: This whopper was based on a document that the White House already knew to be a forgery thanks to the CIA. Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador who the CIA sent to check out the story is pissed: "They knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," he told the New Republic, anonymously. "They [the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this to make their case more strongly."

http://www.alternet.org/story/16274

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 12/27/10 10:00 AM
LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."

FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program
http://www.alternet.org/story/16274

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 12/27/10 10:01 AM
LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.

FACT: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing relationship. In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun the intelligence180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it suggested.

http://www.alternet.org/story/16274?page=2

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 12/27/10 10:02 AM
LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." -- President Bush, Oct. 7.

FACT: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin Powell told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in northern Iraq. To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated was later revealed to be outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied war planes.

http://www.alternet.org/story/16274?page=2

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 12/27/10 10:02 AM
LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States." -- President Bush, Oct. 7.

FACT: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000 miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to say "plane"?

http://www.alternet.org/story/16274?page=2

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Mon 12/27/10 10:03 AM
LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.

FACT: Despite a massive nationwide search by U.S. and British forces, there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.

http://www.alternet.org/story/16274?page=2