White House Drafts Executive Order for Indefinite Detention

Tuesday 21 December 2010

by: Dafna Linzer | ProPublica | Report

The White House is preparing an Executive Order on indefinite detention that will provide periodic reviews of evidence against dozens of prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay, according to several administration officials.

The draft order, a version of which was first considered nearly 18 months ago, is expected to be signed by President Obama early in the New Year. The order allows for the possibility that detainees from countries like Yemen might be released if circumstances there change.

But the order establishes indefinite detention as a long-term Obama administration policy and makes clear that the White House alone will manage a review process for those it chooses to hold without charge or trial.

Nearly two years after Obama's pledge to close the prison at Guantanamo, more inmates there are formally facing the prospect of lifelong detention and fewer are facing charges than the day Obama was elected.

That is in part because Congress has made it difficult to move detainees to the United States for trial. But it also stems from the president's embrace of indefinite detention and his assertion that the congressional authorization for military force, passed after the 2001 terrorist attacks, allows for such detention.

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I am so disappointed

Now I have more reasons not to agree with Obama.

The list is getting longer.

I actually agree with the Obamanator on this one.

Me too. Not only should they be held, they should be executed.

Do you think?

How old are you?

what a bunch of lunacy.

for the day we as a country, embrace indefinite prison, with no trial, we are certainly no longer America, and anybody that supports such should think of it's mother or father or sister or brother or child in the same situation.

as they soon could be with such lunacy embraced.

sometimes slow progress is better than none at all, and compromise is often the road used to arrive


if anyone ever reads Greenlee's "the spook who sat by the door",,it might be a bit more logical why compromise is sometimes more affective than STANDSTILLS which make no progress,,,

perhaps compromise and slow process shall be fine with you when your loved one's linger imprisoned indefinitly with no trail.

I was never against detaining, as POWs, the guilty for the duration.

My peeve was with the way they were collected and tortured, with no care for their innocence or guilt.

The Bush Adm. was paying rewards for neighbors to turn in neighbors. Paying hefty rewards to people who are basically refuges in a war zone. Many were turning in innocent people just for the reward. (Spite maybe?)
Then the Bush Admin was taking them blindfolded far from their home and Interrogating them through torture.

America has never treated her POW's as such.

I was ashamed.
We probably have captured more, and the Congress, at least the right half, has made it impossible to bring them to trial.
Obama has freed many, stopped the torture, and the illegal kidnappings.
Holding POWs indefinitely just means until their countries are free of our enemies.
I'm sure that's what was meant by the Yemen statement.

slow progress will always beat out no progress for me,,,

n·def·i·nite (n-df-nt)
adj.
Not definite, especially:
a. Unclear; vague.
b. Lacking precise limits: an indefinite leave of absence.
c. Uncertain; undecided: indefinite about their plans.


things have a way of becoming cleared up,,with time

well, good for you.

sure nobody here needs to know what another defined indefinite to be.

lol...

be for real.

hope that works when and if you or your loved one's are being tortured.

if one's believe in no progress, and slow progress, than it shows but proof to prove these as ok, and the best, unless it also believes in medium progress, and fast progress.

when one's loved one's are in peril, fast progress spurs on the true carer of others.

what a load of pretend caring.

so,,if ONE eats nothing but junk and gains weight, and refuses to stop eating junk

and another changes their eating habits and begins to lose excess weight

would it be safe to characterize the first as no progress, and the latter as progress(whatever speed one defines it as)?

,,,,,would ONE be accurate to support the latter PROGRESS over the former NO PROGRESS,

and would that really require one to label the latter progress as slow, or fast or medium


and if one did would that label change that all three would still be preferrable to the former condition of NO PROGRESS?

sigh,, anyhow,, things can be changed and updated and if I had one incarcerated, they would be incarcerated regardless of whether there was a set time to be released or an undefined time,,,the difference is that there would be more LEVERAGE and possibilities with the undefined time which could later become DEFINED

now, slow progress embraced for one's own eating habits is it's own prerogative.

slow progress for justice and relief from torture for oneself or one's own loved ones is again it's own prerogative.

slow justice or progress or imprisoned ones, with no trails, tortured, of my loved one, slow progress is not good enough, hence the basic principles of caring or love, that twould make one fight against SLOW PROGRESS, TURNING IT INTO FASTER PROGRESS.

to be content with slow progress, denotes an apathetic mentality, applying easly so progress most unto oneself, relieving oneself from any to commit or create change, dulling the senses to true progress, most by the embracing of slow progress, able to justify nil to no change, of the sake of hardly doing or changing anything.

pretend changers.

pretend humanitarians love such words.

and such philosophy's, deriving from simply embracing for other's, what is fine with self.

self imprisonment, might effect different belief in these, and torture no doubt gauranteed to make one swear off the acceptance of slow progress in one's life.

for if one can ride a bike slow, it can ride it fast.

pain and torture for human, without trail nor due process, demands fast bike riding.

Y'all get lost in your words.
You undefined your selves.

First define what kind of prisoner these people are.

They are POWs and should be treated as such.
They should be held captive until the war ends.
No longer, no less!
Not tortured.

Define the type of war we are currently engaged.
It's hard I know, but the end may not come for quite some time.
Maybe never.
How can you define that?

Finally define what these POWs expect.

I mean if you pick a fight with someone who can make your life miserable or whoop your butt.
Expect to have your life made miserable or your butt whooped.

You two try to define who's words are more appealing and intellectually sophisticated, and yet neither of you have defined the obvious.

These people wish to kill you and yours.

I dont know anything about the people there, or about what future legislation will take place, I only see this as a step in the process which I believe will be better than no step

Then why do you pander to them??

something about them being human beings,, innocent til proven guilty and all that

The way Bush collected them, I understand, but many of them, the truly innocent, have been freed.
There is no torture going on now.

They are POWs.
We hold them until, insinuated YEMEN, their country is clear of A lQuieda training camps.

Then the Yemenis can be returned to Yemen.
The way these guys cross borders to fight us, maybe not then.

This leaves the possibility of release undefined unless you define the time as the duration.

perhaps when you are accused, but no evidence is brought forth, the american people shall leave them pandering you, and prodding up your assshole, and stacking you naked in piles and pissing on you.

FOR IF WE HAD EVIDENCE, YOU DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE PROUD TO PROVE IT!

FOR INDEED, TO PROVE IT IN A COURT, WOULD LEND MORE CREDENCE TO OUR WAR.

TO THE ENTIRE WORLD!

WHICH WOULD CREATE MORE ALLIES FOR US.

MORE SYMPATHY AND FAVOR FOR THE WAR ITSELF GLOBALLY!

so make no mistake, that fact that such IS NOT DONE, IS A MOST DAMAGING IMPLICATION TO OUR OWN EFFORTS, AND THE NUMBER OF LIVES OF OUR OWN TROOPS INCREASES BY NOT DOING SO.

as for every fuccking iraqi that seen and heard of such, IS NOW WILLING TO FIGHT HARDER.

AND WILLING TO KILL AND MORE BRAVE.

AND MORE WILLING TO BOMB ANY AMERICAN.

please.

the only way to stop war, is to REDUCE WHAT CREATES HATRED.

as if TORTURE AND INDEFINITE IMPRISONMENT is going to create less hate toward america, which is what first created the terrorist to begin with, hate towards america.

so, the more abuses the "enemy" see's ones own kind being treated with, the MORE TERRORIST CREATED!

I can accept that man has not yet completely learned to be intelligent enough to understand that when something is done to other humans it is a matter of time before it can be done to you, but I am very disappointed with this,

indeed such be the most precious wisdom to be held and never let go of for anything or anybody.