So tell me out there in this Christian net work of living...

If YOU felt devinely pushed to help another person to be a better person with God and walk more in His light,,,,,,,would YOU TRY,,and help?

Would you REALLY TRY and help?

WOULD YOU DO ALL THAT IT TAKES WITHIN YOUR BEST TRY?

Or,would you try a little and let it go?

Or try a little hard and then let go?

I'm searching my heart here within God's voice of feeling HIM wanting me to.

But how far,,,to help,,,would be your part to do?

I KNOW,,,everyone is different,,,wink..YES,,,but whats YOUR REAL, on this?

I was inspired to ask,,,,,as I feel lost as to how much..to try?

You don't trust Jesus to find his own lost sheep like he says he will?

Evangelism is a slap in the face to Jesus.

All it basically says is that you don't trust Jesus to do as he says.

That's all evangelism amounts to. Distrust in Jesus.

Besides where does Jesus instruct anyone to ARGUE with people who have already heard his words?

Spreading the word to someone who never heard it is one thing, arguing with people who've heard it a billion times over and simply don't believe it is an entirely different thing altogether.

Where does Jesus instruct anyone to argue with disbelievers?

The gospel truth is that he doesn't.

I'm not an evangelist nor do I "argue" or debate, or anything of such. I just don't sit back and let people spread lies about our father.

Nor am I taking anyone's job. Jesus has told us to spread the good news. That is ALL i'm doing. Again i'm not debating or arguing. I'm "informing" and or spreading the word of the good news.

What "good news"? That the path is straight and the gate is narrow and only very few will make it into the kingdom of heaven?

I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like very good news to me. Sounds like the vast majority of humans are doomed.

You'd have to be pretty selfish and arrogant to see that as "good news". First, you'd have to not care about anyone but yourself, and then you'd have to believe that you're going to be one of those FEW who makes it.

That's the only way it could be "good news".

You'd have to be pretty selfish and arrogant to see that as "good news". First, you'd have to not care about anyone but yourself, and then you'd have to believe that you're going to be one of those FEW who makes it.

What a lie!!!

ALL the laws given to us have something to do with showing love to someone else. If a good dead is done in a selfish manner then it's not a good dead for it is done in vein.

I'm not saying that you'd need to think ONLY of yourself. But clearly if you think it's "good news" that only few people are going to make it into the Kingdom of God you can't be very concerned about the fate of most people.

Mentalities like yours is why only a few will make it. So why be part of the problem and not part of the solution? Why give up before you even start. Yes I know you said you've studied Christianity and all that. But studying it and believing it are two totally different things.

I want no part of religious bigotry in the name of Jesus the Christ Almighty.

I've told you many times that even if the religion were true, I would have no interest in 'serving' this God for all of eternity.

I would even be nice to this God. I would simply tell this God that I'm not interested in anything he has to offer. I would forgive him for all of his failings, and simply request that he un-create me as quickly and as painlessly as possible.

If he wants to be mean about it, or get nasty, that's his choice.

I would be totally disappointed in this God and feel deeply sorry for it.

I have no desire to "believe" in this God. None whatsoever.

I realize that this continually goes right past you and never sinks in, but there are far better pictures of spirituality to be had. There are far better pictures of God.

Why should I believe that our creator is as lame as the bible claims when there are far better pictures of God to be had?

If we're going to believe that God is all-powerful and all-wise, then why not do so? Why believe in a lame unwise picture of a God who is appeased by blood sacrifices?

I don't see the point in limiting our view of God.

If we're going to dream of a God, why not allow those dreams to truly be majestic? Allow God to truly be infinitely wise, and infinitely powerful. Why limit God to such a lame Hebrew fable that is associated with having to condone a crucifixion on your behalf before God can accept you? A God who loses the vast majority of his children?

To me that's just totally unacceptable. I will never accept such a barbaric vision of "god". There's just nothing divine about it as far as I can see.

I would even be nice to this God. I would simply tell this God that I'm not interested in anything he has to offer. I would forgive him for all of his failings, and simply request that he un-create me as quickly and as painlessly as possible.

How does a leader lead? What makes a person follow?

Do you plant a tree and then give explicit verbal directions on how it should be cared for and loved?

Or do you plant a seed and stick around to show how love makes it grow.

And what do you think would be a successful outcome? That the followerer becomes a copy of the leader? Or that the follower becomes a more self-reliant and caring individual, capable of planting and caring for his/her own seeds?

Why try to put the blame on someone else? Why not man up and take the blame for your failures?

Who said anything about blaming anyone?

I just said that I would forgive the biblical God of all his failings. I wouldn't blame the biblical God for anything, he's clearly mentally ill and not responsible.

I cannot possibly have any 'failings' in this picture. It's not my cup of tea. I don't want anything out of it, and therefore I cannot have any failings. All I asked for is to be un-created. And I don't even hold any hard feelings against this inept God for having created me in the first place.

I'm being as nice about it as I can possibly be.

If you want to talk about personal responsibility that would make far more sense in the context of Eastern Mysticism.

Again, where did God fail? What failures has God accumulated? How is it God's failure that we were disobedient and even still are to this day? How is it God's fault that we choose to live our lives for us and not for the bettering of the world? God has no failures. He created a perfect world that works perfectly with the creations he put upon this world. It's the creations decisions used through their free will that has corrupted and destroyed this world and or parts of the world. What we do in our lives can not be accounted to God for it was done by US with OUR free will, God himself didn't do it. Nor can you put the blame on God for creating something defective and or incorrect that acts immorally. For no matter how that person acts it all revolves around that person because again we have total free will and can and will do what we wish to do in our lives.

The biblical God loses the vast majority of "children" that he creates. As a parent that's a high failure rater. As a creator that's a high failure rate. Thus the biblical God, as a creator and as a parent is a failure.

IF the bible truly is the "Word of God", then God failed to convince me via that book that he is even remotely intelligent much less all-wise. That's failure. Failure to be able to communicate properly to the objects of his very own creation.

You obviously recognize God's failure in this regard because you are trying hard to convince me that the Bible is the word of God. Evidently you are trying to make up for God's failure to communicate to me. You must think that you can somehow surpass God in that regard and succeed where God himself failed.

If humans are all created in the image of God, and the vast majority of humans are unworthy of God's heaven, then what does that say about God himself?

Besides, why even bother with this utterly insane mythology? We already know that death, disease and imperfections of all manner existed long before mankind ever appeared on Planet Earth. We know that the very foundational accusations of the Bible that the supposed "Fall from Grace" of humans is responsible for these things is false. The very foundational tenet of the entire mythology has been exposed to be false. Thus the whole mythology has no more merit than the mythologies of ancient Greece and Zeus.

We know that the Bible is false.

So why even bother with the question of whether or not this fictitious picture of a God is righteous, or whether or not this God is a failure. The whole mythology is clearly a failure, it's based on false claims.

It's just a man-made religion that tries very hard to incite religious bigotry against non-believers and has unfortunately succeeded in major ways all throughout its history. From the crusades, to witch burnings, to today's support of superstitious myths over genuine intellectual and rational knowledge.

It just isn't conducive to anything positive.

Ultimately all it's about is supposedly saving the butts of individual egos, the religion itself has the vast bulk of humanity condemned as being worthless sinners.

It's just not even a positive mythology, IMHO.

I often make the mistake of pointing out that even if it were true I would reject this God. But unfortunately the very notion that I might even remotely consider the possibility that it might be true seems to just feed into your obsession with it.

It was just a hypothetical comment showing that even if the religion were true it would still be utterly worthless and represent a "God" that isn't even worthy of worship.

The biblical God loses the vast majority of "children" that he creates. As a parent that's a high failure rater. As a creator that's a high failure rate. Thus the biblical God, as a creator and as a parent is a failure.

The biblical God loses the vast majority of "children" that he creates. As a parent that's a high failure rater. As a creator that's a high failure rate. Thus the biblical God, as a creator and as a parent is a failure.

IF the bible truly is the "Word of God", then God failed to convince me via that book that he is even remotely intelligent much less all-wise. That's failure. Failure to be able to communicate properly to the objects of his very own creation.

You obviously recognize God's failure in this regard because you are trying hard to convince me that the Bible is the word of God. Evidently you are trying to make up for God's failure to communicate to me. You must think that you can somehow surpass God in that regard and succeed where God himself failed.

If humans are all created in the image of God, and the vast majority of humans are unworthy of God's heaven, then what does that say about God himself?

Besides, why even bother with this utterly insane mythology? We already know that death, disease and imperfections of all manner existed long before mankind ever appeared on Planet Earth. We know that the very foundational accusations of the Bible that the supposed "Fall from Grace" of humans is responsible for these things is false. The very foundational tenet of the entire mythology has been exposed to be false. Thus the whole mythology has no more merit than the mythologies of ancient Greece and Zeus.

We know that the Bible is false.

So why even bother with the question of whether or not this fictitious picture of a God is righteous, or whether or not this God is a failure. The whole mythology is clearly a failure, it's based on false claims.

It's just a man-made religion that tries very hard to incite religious bigotry against non-believers and has unfortunately succeeded in major ways all throughout its history. From the crusades, to witch burnings, to today's support of superstitious myths over genuine intellectual and rational knowledge.

It just isn't conducive to anything positive.

Ultimately all it's about is supposedly saving the butts of individual egos, the religion itself has the vast bulk of humanity condemned as being worthless sinners.

It's just not even a positive mythology, IMHO.

I often make the mistake of pointing out that even if it were true I would reject this God. But unfortunately the very notion that I might even remotely consider the possibility that it might be true seems to just feed into your obsession with it.

It was just a hypothetical comment showing that even if the religion were true it would still be utterly worthless and represent a "God" that isn't even worthy of worship.

Besides, why even bother with this utterly insane mythology? We already know that death, disease and imperfections of all manner existed long before mankind ever appeared on Planet Earth. We know that the very foundational accusations of the Bible that the supposed "Fall from Grace" of humans is responsible for these things is false. The very foundational tenet of the entire mythology has been exposed to be false. Thus the whole mythology has no more merit than the mythologies of ancient Greece and Zeus.

The biblical God loses the vast majority of "children" that he creates. As a parent that's a high failure rater. As a creator that's a high failure rate. Thus the biblical God, as a creator and as a parent is a failure.

IF the bible truly is the "Word of God", then God failed to convince me via that book that he is even remotely intelligent much less all-wise. That's failure. Failure to be able to communicate properly to the objects of his very own creation.

You obviously recognize God's failure in this regard because you are trying hard to convince me that the Bible is the word of God. Evidently you are trying to make up for God's failure to communicate to me. You must think that you can somehow surpass God in that regard and succeed where God himself failed.

If humans are all created in the image of God, and the vast majority of humans are unworthy of God's heaven, then what does that say about God himself?

Besides, why even bother with this utterly insane mythology? We already know that death, disease and imperfections of all manner existed long before mankind ever appeared on Planet Earth. We know that the very foundational accusations of the Bible that the supposed "Fall from Grace" of humans is responsible for these things is false. The very foundational tenet of the entire mythology has been exposed to be false. Thus the whole mythology has no more merit than the mythologies of ancient Greece and Zeus.

We know that the Bible is false.

So why even bother with the question of whether or not this fictitious picture of a God is righteous, or whether or not this God is a failure. The whole mythology is clearly a failure, it's based on false claims.

It's just a man-made religion that tries very hard to incite religious bigotry against non-believers and has unfortunately succeeded in major ways all throughout its history. From the crusades, to witch burnings, to today's support of superstitious myths over genuine intellectual and rational knowledge.

It just isn't conducive to anything positive.

Ultimately all it's about is supposedly saving the butts of individual egos, the religion itself has the vast bulk of humanity condemned as being worthless sinners.

It's just not even a positive mythology, IMHO.

I often make the mistake of pointing out that even if it were true I would reject this God. But unfortunately the very notion that I might even remotely consider the possibility that it might be true seems to just feed into your obsession with it.

It was just a hypothetical comment showing that even if the religion were true it would still be utterly worthless and represent a "God" that isn't even worthy of worship.

It's just a man-made religion that tries very hard to incite religious bigotry against non-believers and has unfortunately succeeded in major ways all throughout its history. From the crusades, to witch burnings, to today's support of superstitious myths over genuine intellectual and rational knowledge.