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Mon 12/20/10 04:00 PM



the essence of unsanity is but to prove what one wants to prove about itself.

this creating a losing touch with the cause and effect of human words and deeds, and their impact or effect on self and others, and how such will HARM, or bring PAIN FOR ANOTHER.

if there is true caring in something, than it does not even think or speak thru a "faults" perception at all.

but, the words chosen by any human, show how ITSELF THINKS ABOUT ITSELF.

but anyhow, if denial of self effect, most by proving to self what it but wishes to prove to itself about itself as true, creates one to do things that will harm itself, and make it sad.

if one thinks itself there to spot and point out faults of another, than it prove itself is not about CARING ABOUT OTHERS AT ALL, for if there was true caring motive, IT WOULD THOUGHT OF, AND SO SPOKEN OF, AS A TRUEW REALITY, AS HELPING OTHERS TO RELIEVING THEM FROM PAIN, and sadness, not from faults.

so fucck the self declared self righeous, who but use "god" to prove to themself they are caring people, lol...

but, the self declared better thans, whom deem it all about faults, when no word or mention of faults was made, see spotting faults as creating others to """better themself""", and nothing could want to help another BETTER itself, lest it thought it's OWN WAY AND SELF WAS BETTER...

so, they can proclaim anything they wish.

their own words give them away.

but the self validators but prove what they wish to be so, but make no mmistake, such practice renders the brain clinically unsane in due time.

AND IF IT WAS ABOUT CARING, SO THEN HELPING ANOTHER, THEN ONLY IF ANOTHER DECLARED THEY WERE SAD, OR IN PAIN, WOULD THERE BE HELP GIVEN.

so again...

bullshitz that flows like rivers of hypocrisy, which really would be better called unsanity, since it leads to unsanity, or but brain delusions about oneself and it's true motivations.

these need restrained and detoxed as wouldbe terrorist, as each day, the wouldbe terrorist mentality shall get larger, as even the terrorist see's itself as HELPING THE WORLD BY REMOVING OTHERS FROM THE WORLD WHOM HAVE FAULTS, who have not chosen the self enlightened path of their GOD...

fuccck their notions of god, but used to prove themself as gods mouth and brain as speakers of whom be at fault, and what GOD THINKS BE A FAULT, lol...

fantasies of the unsane.






We all have faults. Not one person is greater then the other. We all fall short of the glory of God. No one's here to prove themselves to be greater, more important, or anything of such. I'm not better then you, nor are you me. There is no hypocrisy. What is wrong for me is wrong for you, what is wrong for you is wrong for me. What I am not to do, you are not to do, what you are not to do I am not to do. We are all in the same boat.


Ok so then.....why does it matter so much to do what someone else believes then??


Because I love everyone and wish for them to enjoy in the reward of heaven and eternal life. I wish not for one person to die. So I live my life to show people the path to the reward of heaven.

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Mon 12/20/10 04:04 PM



the essence of unsanity is but to prove what one wants to prove about itself.

this creating a losing touch with the cause and effect of human words and deeds, and their impact or effect on self and others, and how such will HARM, or bring PAIN FOR ANOTHER.

if there is true caring in something, than it does not even think or speak thru a "faults" perception at all.

but, the words chosen by any human, show how ITSELF THINKS ABOUT ITSELF.

but anyhow, if denial of self effect, most by proving to self what it but wishes to prove to itself about itself as true, creates one to do things that will harm itself, and make it sad.

if one thinks itself there to spot and point out faults of another, than it prove itself is not about CARING ABOUT OTHERS AT ALL, for if there was true caring motive, IT WOULD THOUGHT OF, AND SO SPOKEN OF, AS A TRUEW REALITY, AS HELPING OTHERS TO RELIEVING THEM FROM PAIN, and sadness, not from faults.

so fucck the self declared self righeous, who but use "god" to prove to themself they are caring people, lol...

but, the self declared better thans, whom deem it all about faults, when no word or mention of faults was made, see spotting faults as creating others to """better themself""", and nothing could want to help another BETTER itself, lest it thought it's OWN WAY AND SELF WAS BETTER...

so, they can proclaim anything they wish.

their own words give them away.

but the self validators but prove what they wish to be so, but make no mmistake, such practice renders the brain clinically unsane in due time.

AND IF IT WAS ABOUT CARING, SO THEN HELPING ANOTHER, THEN ONLY IF ANOTHER DECLARED THEY WERE SAD, OR IN PAIN, WOULD THERE BE HELP GIVEN.

so again...

bullshitz that flows like rivers of hypocrisy, which really would be better called unsanity, since it leads to unsanity, or but brain delusions about oneself and it's true motivations.

these need restrained and detoxed as wouldbe terrorist, as each day, the wouldbe terrorist mentality shall get larger, as even the terrorist see's itself as HELPING THE WORLD BY REMOVING OTHERS FROM THE WORLD WHOM HAVE FAULTS, who have not chosen the self enlightened path of their GOD...

fuccck their notions of god, but used to prove themself as gods mouth and brain as speakers of whom be at fault, and what GOD THINKS BE A FAULT, lol...

fantasies of the unsane.






We all have faults. Not one person is greater then the other. We all fall short of the glory of God. No one's here to prove themselves to be greater, more important, or anything of such. I'm not better then you, nor are you me. There is no hypocrisy. What is wrong for me is wrong for you, what is wrong for you is wrong for me. What I am not to do, you are not to do, what you are not to do I am not to do. We are all in the same boat.



lol...

we ALL have faults?

what are mine?

we are ALL IN THE SAME BOAT?

no, you live in your body, with your brain, your boat and vessel to carry you thru life, and I LIVE IN MY BRAIN, IN MY BODY, MY BOAT.

you can come on MY BOAT, IF I WANT YOU TO.

i can come on your BOAT IF I WANT TO.

I CAN TOUCH YOU, IF YOU SAY I CAN.

YOU CAN TOUCH ME, OR MY BOAT, IF I SAY U CAN.

we are ALL in the same BOAT, is the most small notion of human beings possible.

NO, EACH THING YOU SAY AND DO TODAY, CREATES WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU.

EACH THING I SAY AND DO TODAY, CREATES WHAT HAPPENS TO ME.

what happens TO EACH OF US, SHALL BE DIFFERENT, LEST WE SPEAK AND DO THE EXACT SAME THINGS ALL DAY LONG.

speak for you.

the mentality you are speaking with WHEN SAYING ALL ARE IN THE SAME BOAT, is not based in TRUE REALITY, WHICH IS ABOUT WHAT IS """ACTUALLY HAPPENING""".

you are you, not me, and no other.

you speak with with the totally UNREAL notion that ALL OTHERS ARE LIKE YOU.

when each human IS TOTALLY ONE OF A KIND.

WHAT IS GOOD IS DETERMINED BY THE EXACT HAPPENINGS AT THE TIME OF ANY OCCURENCE, BY ALL PARTIES INVOLVED IN ANY "REAL" HAPPENING.

every word you emit, SHOWS SELF FEELS SO STRONGLY ABOUT IT'S OWN FEELINGS, TRUTH, KNOWING, BRAIN, THAT IT USES ITSELF TO BASE "WHO" ALL OTHERS ARE AS WELL, AND WHAT THEY SHOULD DO WITH "THEIR OWN LIFE"....

you were given your life, they were given THEIRS.

YOUR LIFE DECISIONS, HAVE NO BEARING ON WHAT ANOTHER HUMAN, GIVEN THEIR OWN LIFE, SHOULD DO WITH THEIRS.

and, so, no self as BETTER THAN, lol...

SELF DEEMING ITSELF CORRECT ENOUGH TO INSTRUCT OTHERS HOW TO USE THEIR ONE LIFE ON EARTH, WHAT TO WEAR, WHAT TO DO, WHAT TO SPEAK, WHAT TO CONSIDER OF VALUE, WHAT TO EAT TOO?

medical attention for these extreme notions of self grandeaur, so much to THINK SELF AS THE CONTROLLER OF OTHER HUMAN LIVES, is available.

EACH PERSON IS THEIR """OWN"""LIFE.

YOU DIDN'T DISH OUT """LIFE""", SO YOU AINT THE TELL OF WHAT ANY OTHER SHOULD "DO WITH IT'S LIFE"...

that is SELF AS BETTER, SO MUCH BETTER, IT BELIEVES ITSELF THE COMMANDER OF HOW ALL OTHER HUMAN LIVES SHOULD BE LIVED.

YOU DECIDE WHAT IS WRONG FOR YOU, AND RIGHT FOR YOU.

FAULT FILLED.

YOU BE WHAT YOU WANT TO BE.

and just what is a fault?

what is the basis for faults?

what constitutes a fault to you?






We are all in the same boat called life. We ALL will encounter problems, we ALL will encounter troubles. We all will treat someone in a less manner then we should have at one point or nother. Some of us will go back to apologize, yes. But nevertheless we ALL will say or do something we wished we wouldn't have. It's called a mistake. No one is greater then the other. I may not be able to do this, but I can do that. You may not be able to do that, but you can do this. ect.

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Mon 12/20/10 04:59 PM
go ahead,keep drinkin that stuff, and but proving to yourself how all words and perceptions besides your own can be false.

for you could more redily prove how the words written to you were true, rather than false, lol...

your entire logic is based upon disproving anything except what you know...

don't you udnerstand, this decreases the human awareness, which is what you percieve as REALITY...

more and more each day...

your only hearing what data serves the agenda of SELF REWARD.

so, HOW MUCH DATA DOES THAT LEAVE OUT?

in your book, most all written in the world, and most all spoken in the world, except for what believes almost identical to what self believes...

hello...

that means your only proving what you FIRST WISH TO PROVE, SO ONLY FINDING THAT EVIDENCE...

its no different than one that hears from another they have red hair, and since they despise red hair, they walk down the street and ask another, and they as well say you have red hair...

not a tuth self likes, since self hates red hair...

but, the next person, wa lah!

says you don't have red hair!

and they are the friend.

the believer!

ah hah!

I KNEW I WAS RIGHT!

wrong!

there was a reason all those others, WHOM IF SELF THOUGHT THEY WERE EQUAL TO SELF, SAID SELF HAD RED HAIR.

your mission is to find the GOOD REASON THEY SAID SUCH, not what you can find to DISPROVE THEM.

as this will leave one soon in a line that red haired people get removed from society, and self be deemed again as having red hair.

when if it would have heard others as meaningful, and it was announced red headed people would be killed, one would have been smart enough to die it's hair!

lol...

your exhausting.

how can one reason with what knows no reason.






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Mon 12/20/10 05:11 PM

go ahead,keep drinkin that stuff, and but proving to yourself how all words and perceptions besides your own can be false.

for you could more redily prove how the words written to you were true, rather than false, lol...

your entire logic is based upon disproving anything except what you know...

don't you udnerstand, this decreases the human awareness, which is what you percieve as REALITY...

more and more each day...

your only hearing what data serves the agenda of SELF REWARD.

so, HOW MUCH DATA DOES THAT LEAVE OUT?

in your book, most all written in the world, and most all spoken in the world, except for what believes almost identical to what self believes...

hello...

that means your only proving what you FIRST WISH TO PROVE, SO ONLY FINDING THAT EVIDENCE...

its no different than one that hears from another they have red hair, and since they despise red hair, they walk down the street and ask another, and they as well say you have red hair...

not a tuth self likes, since self hates red hair...

but, the next person, wa lah!

says you don't have red hair!

and they are the friend.

the believer!

ah hah!

I KNEW I WAS RIGHT!

wrong!

there was a reason all those others, WHOM IF SELF THOUGHT THEY WERE EQUAL TO SELF, SAID SELF HAD RED HAIR.

your mission is to find the GOOD REASON THEY SAID SUCH, not what you can find to DISPROVE THEM.

as this will leave one soon in a line that red haired people get removed from society, and self be deemed again as having red hair.

when if it would have heard others as meaningful, and it was announced red headed people would be killed, one would have been smart enough to die it's hair!

lol...

your exhausting.

how can one reason with what knows no reason.










your only hearing what data serves the agenda of SELF REWARD.


I have no reward for showing you the lord. Say I do open someone's eyes to the lord. That doesn't gain me ANYTHING. I'm not in this for ME, i'm in this for YOU. I love you and wish for you to share in the joy of our father. Again, there is no reward in this for me, this is PURELY for YOU not me.

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Mon 12/20/10 05:38 PM
well dear cowboy, your own words dispute your own claim, THAT SELF GETS ITS REWARD BY WHAT IT PUTS FAITH IN.

chew on your own words for inconsistency, and you will find the lord.

lol...

if YOU SHOW SOMEONE ELSE THE "LORD"?

you have never SEEN THE LORD.

WHERE IS THIS LORD?

INTRODUCE ME TO YOUR GOD.

DOES IT TALK?

DOES IT RUN?

DOES IT SIT?

EAT?

or is it ideas oneself heard.

many could hear there were purple dragons in the street today, but you would not believe them?

why not?

you never seen it.

and the only reason one believes in what itself has not SEEN, IS FOR A SELF AGENDA.

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Mon 12/20/10 05:44 PM

well dear cowboy, your own words dispute your own claim, THAT SELF GETS ITS REWARD BY WHAT IT PUTS FAITH IN.

chew on your own words for inconsistency, and you will find the lord.

lol...

if YOU SHOW SOMEONE ELSE THE "LORD"?

you have never SEEN THE LORD.

WHERE IS THIS LORD?

INTRODUCE ME TO YOUR GOD.

DOES IT TALK?

DOES IT RUN?

DOES IT SIT?

EAT?

or is it ideas oneself heard.

many could hear there were purple dragons in the street today, but you would not believe them?

why not?

you never seen it.

and the only reason one believes in what itself has not SEEN, IS FOR A SELF AGENDA.


There is no inconsistency in my words. Nor does "that self gets its reward by what it puts faith in" and "me having no reward for possibly showing you the lord" have anything to do with each other. You can see the lord if you look with your heart. If you give credit where credit is due you will see that which the credit is due to. I have introduced you to our God. It is you that looks away. I can not change that fact that you look away, there is nothing I can do there.

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Mon 12/20/10 05:47 PM


well dear cowboy, your own words dispute your own claim, THAT SELF GETS ITS REWARD BY WHAT IT PUTS FAITH IN.

chew on your own words for inconsistency, and you will find the lord.

lol...

if YOU SHOW SOMEONE ELSE THE "LORD"?

you have never SEEN THE LORD.

WHERE IS THIS LORD?

INTRODUCE ME TO YOUR GOD.

DOES IT TALK?

DOES IT RUN?

DOES IT SIT?

EAT?

or is it ideas oneself heard.

many could hear there were purple dragons in the street today, but you would not believe them?

why not?

you never seen it.

and the only reason one believes in what itself has not SEEN, IS FOR A SELF AGENDA.


There is no inconsistency in my words. Nor does "that self gets its reward by what it puts faith in" and "me having no reward for possibly showing you the lord" have anything to do with each other. You can see the lord if you look with your heart. If you give credit where credit is due you will see that which the credit is due to. I have introduced you to our God. It is you that looks away. I can not change that fact that you look away, there is nothing I can do there.


And yes God speaks to us all. It is something science can not give total proof to why it exists. Our conscience. If your heart is with the lord so will your conscience be. If your conscience is with the lord, you will have a bad conscience feeling about doing something bad. Example, someone that does not have the lord in his/her heart could very well steal something without feeling guilty for it. Happens everyday. But one that truly has God in his/her heart would feel guilty for such an action and or just turn away from that action in the first place. For the simple fact that their conscience would tell them not to do such an action.

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Mon 12/20/10 05:48 PM
indeed i look away, by proving such beliefs create self serving agenda's in human people all the more than what is already natural?

one that serves a god, does so to GET HEAVEN, A REWARD OF BLISS FOR SELF.

speak of it any way you wish.

it's till SELF AGENDA, BECAUSE IT IS FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF "GOOD FOR ONESELF".

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Mon 12/20/10 05:53 PM

indeed i look away, by proving such beliefs create self serving agenda's in human people all the more than what is already natural?

one that serves a god, does so to GET HEAVEN, A REWARD OF BLISS FOR SELF.

speak of it any way you wish.

it's till SELF AGENDA, BECAUSE IT IS FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF "GOOD FOR ONESELF".


No that is not why one obeys our father. We obey out of love. To be a good child. You know the saying "actions speak louder then words"? Well since we can not "hug" our father or anything in that such. We show our love for our father through our actions and obeying what he has said for us to do or not to do. It is not for the reward, it is for love. You seem to be truly stuck on that reward. Why seek a reward for action? Why not do the action out of love for the betterment of someone else?

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Mon 12/20/10 06:02 PM
of course, i am stuck on not doing anything for reward, as for the false motives it creates, and the increased selfish and narcissistic and then unsane delusions it creates.

but so gald we ironed out the true meaning in that other post.

anyhow...

peace out

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Tue 12/21/10 11:30 AM
Well all other arguments aside, I have been in a situation to help someone else and I never did. Out of fear of what the person would do or say to me. So I guess my answer to the original question put forth in the thread is NO I would not help anyone even a little bit.

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Wed 12/22/10 04:58 PM

Well all other arguments aside, I have been in a situation to help someone else and I never did. Out of fear of what the person would do or say to me. So I guess my answer to the original question put forth in the thread is NO I would not help anyone even a little bit.


Come on ...don't be that way.

The Lord will Bless all that you do in His Name.


Luke 6:30-38

30, Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31, And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32, For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33, And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34, And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35, But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36, Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38, Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.


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Matthew 5:43-48

43, Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44, But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45, That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46, For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47, And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48, Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.



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Galatians 6:2-9

2, Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
3, For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
4, But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
5, For every man shall bear his own burden.
6, Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7, Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8, For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Gal_6:9, And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

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Wed 12/22/10 05:46 PM


Well all other arguments aside, I have been in a situation to help someone else and I never did. Out of fear of what the person would do or say to me. So I guess my answer to the original question put forth in the thread is NO I would not help anyone even a little bit.


Come on ...don't be that way.

The Lord will Bless all that you do in His Name.


Luke 6:30-38

30, Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31, And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32, For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33, And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34, And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35, But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36, Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38, Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.


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Matthew 5:43-48

43, Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44, But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45, That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46, For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47, And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48, Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.



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Galatians 6:2-9

2, Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
3, For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
4, But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
5, For every man shall bear his own burden.
6, Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7, Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8, For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Gal_6:9, And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.


The only thing that I would like to say about these passages and verses from the Bible is that this isn't the only place this kind of wisdom can be found, nor it it the only place it has ever been taught.

I don't disagree with any of the wisdom that is printed above. However, I feel that it's grossly misleading when presented as named and numbered verses from the Bible as though this wisdom originated from the Bible, or somehow belongs solely to the Bible.

Perhaps in these specific exact words, yes, but certainly not in the spirit of what is actually being said.

This is the very same wisdom that was taught by Lao Tzu, Confucius, Buddha, and many others, long before Jesus was ever born.

This wisdom does not "belong" to Jesus nor did it originate with him. On the contrary he mostly likely learned it from Mahayana Buddhism since that was the form of Buddhism that was most popular in his day.

He most certainly didn't learn this from the Torah. That should be obvious.

So I'm not disagreeing with the wisdom that the gospels attribute to the teachings of Jesus. But it's clear that Jesus was nowhere near the first person to teach this wisdom. Although he may very well have been the first to teach it to the Hebrews. At least in a way where it was finally recognized and incorporated into the Hebrew religion via the New Testament.

But Jesus was most certainly not the originator of this kind of wisdom and advice. This has been the wisdom of the Eastern Mystics for centuries before Jesus was ever born.

It's not unique to the Bible, and therefore it cannot have been unique to Jesus.






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Wed 12/22/10 06:44 PM
Edited by CeriseRose on Wed 12/22/10 06:48 PM



Well all other arguments aside, I have been in a situation to help someone else and I never did. Out of fear of what the person would do or say to me. So I guess my answer to the original question put forth in the thread is NO I would not help anyone even a little bit.


Come on ...don't be that way.

The Lord will Bless all that you do in His Name.


Luke 6:30-38

30, Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31, And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32, For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33, And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34, And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35, But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36, Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38, Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.


+++++++++++++++++++
Matthew 5:43-48

43, Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44, But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45, That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46, For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47, And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48, Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.



+++++++++++++++++++++

Galatians 6:2-9

2, Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
3, For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
4, But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
5, For every man shall bear his own burden.
6, Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7, Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8, For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Gal_6:9, And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

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The only thing that I would like to say about these passages and verses from the Bible is that this isn't the only place this kind of wisdom can be found, nor it it the only place it has ever been taught.
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I don't disagree with any of the wisdom that is printed above. However, I feel that it's grossly misleading when presented as named and numbered verses from the Bible as though this wisdom originated from the Bible, or somehow belongs solely to the Bible.
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Perhaps in these specific exact words, yes, but certainly not in the spirit of what is actually being said.
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This is the very same wisdom that was taught by Lao Tzu, Confucius, Buddha, and many others, long before Jesus was ever born.
rant
This wisdom does not "belong" to Jesus nor did it originate with him. On the contrary he mostly likely learned it from Mahayana Buddhism since that was the form of Buddhism that was most popular in his day.

He most certainly didn't learn this from the Torah. That should be obvious.

So I'm not disagreeing with the wisdom that the gospels attribute to the teachings of Jesus. But it's clear that Jesus was nowhere near the first person to teach this wisdom. Although he may very well have been the first to teach it to the Hebrews. At least in a way where it was finally recognized and incorporated into the Hebrew religion via the New Testament.

But Jesus was most certainly not the originator of this kind of wisdom and advice. This has been the wisdom of the Eastern Mystics for centuries before Jesus was ever born.
rant
It's not unique to the Bible, and therefore it cannot have been unique to Jesus.rant




This post is not to debate
whether or not Jesus coined these phrases.

The post was not offered to you,
although you are more than welcome
to reflect upon them...

you might benefit from them if you apply them, though.

:banana:

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Wed 12/22/10 06:49 PM
oh...

i suppose fools full of folly, forgot it was written that the path to heaven laid not in the book.

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