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Topic: God is God
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Wed 11/24/10 07:01 AM
people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us! God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving, Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no

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Wed 11/24/10 07:02 AM

people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us! God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving, Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no


if god is love, then there would be no need for hell...

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Wed 11/24/10 07:09 AM

people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us! God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving, Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no
so then why did he flood the entire earth killing everyone/everything except for who/what was on the "ARC"

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Wed 11/24/10 07:49 AM


people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us! God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving, Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no


if god is love, then there would be no need for hell...


If there wasn't a separate place such as hell then heaven would be like hell. Satan would be in heaven causing trouble for everyone, putting everyone through misery, he would make heaven just that, hell.

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Wed 11/24/10 07:52 AM


people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us! God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving, Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no
so then why did he flood the entire earth killing everyone/everything except for who/what was on the "ARC"


If the flood would not have been done then the world would have continued to turn evil. Yes it is pretty evil to this day, but would have been much worse if it wouldn't have been cleaned out before.

God didn't "kill" anyone. If they sought pleasure in the eyes of the father, then they are in heaven waiting for us to come home. People passing away on earth is not death.

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Wed 11/24/10 07:53 AM



people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us! God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving, Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no


if god is love, then there would be no need for hell...


If there wasn't a separate place such as hell then heaven would be like hell. Satan would be in heaven causing trouble for everyone, putting everyone through misery, he would make heaven just that, hell.

so "god" punishes people by sending them to hell when they don't do what he says... sounds like love to me. do as i say or go to hell...

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Wed 11/24/10 07:53 AM
prettydenise wrote:

people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us!


Any creator who creates sentient beings should be at lease kind enough to explain to those that he creates, why he created them.

At least that's my view.


God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving,


Unconditionally? What "God" are you speaking about here? Sounds like maybe Eastern Mysticism. It can't be said that the biblical God's love is unconditional because quite to the contrary there are many conditions placed on receiving the love of the biblical God.

In fact, to merely disbelieve in him is grounds for him to not love you according to the scriptures.


Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no


If God sees things to differently than we do, then how can we be sure that his idea of 'love' is the same concept that we associate with that word? Or his idea of righteousness, or whatever.

It would be meaningless to say that God 'loves' us, or that God is 'righteous' if those very concepts mean different things to God than they do to us. The words that we normally use would not correctly reflect God's idea of 'love' or Gods idea of 'righteousness'.

And besides, why would any of this be important?

If God truly loves us unconditionally then why even bother telling people? If there are no conditions required to be loved by God, then it doesn't matter whether people believe in God or not, because if it did matter, then that would be a condition required for his love, which would violate the very idea that his love is unconditional. flowerforyou

Just my thoughts.

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Wed 11/24/10 07:57 AM


people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us! God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving, Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no
so then why did he flood the entire earth killing everyone/everything except for who/what was on the "ARC"


Your questions could be answered
by elementary children. :angel:


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Wed 11/24/10 07:58 AM

prettydenise wrote:

people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us!


Any creator who creates sentient beings should be at lease kind enough to explain to those that he creates, why he created them.

At least that's my view.


God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving,


Unconditionally? What "God" are you speaking about here? Sounds like maybe Eastern Mysticism. It can't be said that the biblical God's love is unconditional because quite to the contrary there are many conditions placed on receiving the love of the biblical God.

In fact, to merely disbelieve in him is grounds for him to not love you according to the scriptures.


Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no


If God sees things to differently than we do, then how can we be sure that his idea of 'love' is the same concept that we associate with that word? Or his idea of righteousness, or whatever.

It would be meaningless to say that God 'loves' us, or that God is 'righteous' if those very concepts mean different things to God than they do to us. The words that we normally use would not correctly reflect God's idea of 'love' or Gods idea of 'righteousness'.

And besides, why would any of this be important?

If God truly loves us unconditionally then why even bother telling people? If there are no conditions required to be loved by God, then it doesn't matter whether people believe in God or not, because if it did matter, then that would be a condition required for his love, which would violate the very idea that his love is unconditional. flowerforyou

Just my thoughts.



Unconditionally? What "God" are you speaking about here? Sounds like maybe Eastern Mysticism. It can't be said that the biblical God's love is unconditional because quite to the contrary there are many conditions placed on receiving the love of the biblical God.

In fact, to merely disbelieve in him is grounds for him to not love you according to the scriptures.


God's love is unconditional. Doesn't matter if you believe in him or not, he still loves you. So you're saying if someone punishes their children he doesn't love them? God's love is unconditional, at any time weather it be your death bed or not, if you accept Jesus as your lord and saviour you will be granted into heaven. We don't have to nor can we "buy" God's love, it is freely given waiting for you to reach out and grab it.

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Wed 11/24/10 08:01 AM



people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us! God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving, Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no


if god is love, then there would be no need for hell...


If there wasn't a separate place such as hell then heaven would be like hell. Satan would be in heaven causing trouble for everyone, putting everyone through misery, he would make heaven just that, hell.


So then the only difference between living in heaven and living on earth, is that in heaven there are no NEWS channels to watch and everyone basically turns a blind eye to suffering and all suffering is simply placed out of sight, but it still continues to exist.

Also, parents who made it to heaven, but who's children went to hell, must just ignore the fact that their children are suffering for all of eternity. Or does God give them amnesia so they don't even remember having had children?

I was kind of hoping that heaven would be better than that. But based on what you're saying all it amounts to is to turn a blind eye to suffering and just focus solely on your own good fortune.

Heaven sounds like it would be for extremely selfish people who only care about themselves.

I remember a gentleman who used to post here and he gave God a condition. He said that he wants to be the very last person to enter heaven, and that he refuses to enter until all others have entered.

Imagine that, a human who actually grasps the concept of unconditional love. flowerforyou

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Wed 11/24/10 08:02 AM
Edited by CeriseRose on Wed 11/24/10 08:08 AM

prettydenise wrote:

people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us!


Any creator who creates sentient beings should be at lease kind enough to explain to those that he creates, why he created them.

At least that's my view.


God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving,


Unconditionally? What "God" are you speaking about here? Sounds like maybe Eastern Mysticism. It can't be said that the biblical God's love is unconditional because quite to the contrary there are many conditions placed on receiving the love of the biblical God.

In fact, to merely disbelieve in him is grounds for him to not love you according to the scriptures.


Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no


If God sees things to differently than we do, then how can we be sure that his idea of 'love' is the same concept that we associate with that word? Or his idea of righteousness, or whatever.

It would be meaningless to say that God 'loves' us, or that God is 'righteous' if those very concepts mean different things to God than they do to us. The words that we normally use would not correctly reflect God's idea of 'love' or Gods idea of 'righteousness'.

And besides, why would any of this be important?

If God truly loves us unconditionally then why even bother telling people? If there are no conditions required to be loved by God, then it doesn't matter whether people believe in God or not, because if it did matter, then that would be a condition required for his love, which would violate the very idea that his love is unconditional. flowerforyou

Just my thoughts.



The world as we know it

has an expiration date.

God has offered a way

of escape from destruction.

Take it or leave it.

Your Choice.

Live for today

or Live forever.

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Wed 11/24/10 08:04 AM




people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us! God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving, Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no


if god is love, then there would be no need for hell...


If there wasn't a separate place such as hell then heaven would be like hell. Satan would be in heaven causing trouble for everyone, putting everyone through misery, he would make heaven just that, hell.


So then the only difference between living in heaven and living on earth, is that in heaven there are no NEWS channels to watch and everyone basically turns a blind eye to suffering and all suffering is simply placed out of sight, but it still continues to exist.

Also, parents who made it to heaven, but who's children went to hell, must just ignore the fact that their children are suffering for all of eternity. Or does God give them amnesia so they don't even remember having had children?

I was kind of hoping that heaven would be better than that. But based on what you're saying all it amounts to is to turn a blind eye to suffering and just focus solely on your own good fortune.

Heaven sounds like it would be for extremely selfish people who only care about themselves.

I remember a gentleman who used to post here and he gave God a condition. He said that he wants to be the very last person to enter heaven, and that he refuses to enter until all others have entered.

Imagine that, a human who actually grasps the concept of unconditional love. flowerforyou


In heaven there will be no turning the blind eye to suffering for there will be no suffering. There will be no hunger, no disease, no sadness. You won't have time to remorse in the ones that didn't make it to heaven for your time will be all given to rejoicing in the lord and praising him in all his greatness.

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Wed 11/24/10 08:07 AM
Cowboy wrote:

God's love is unconditional. Doesn't matter if you believe in him or not, he still loves you. So you're saying if someone punishes their children he doesn't love them? God's love is unconditional, at any time weather it be your death bed or not, if you accept Jesus as your lord and saviour you will be granted into heaven. We don't have to nor can we "buy" God's love, it is freely given waiting for you to reach out and grab it.


Condemning children to eternal damnation or spiritual death cannot be considered a form of "loving punishment" for there would be no way to learn from such a "lesson".

Such an action could only be the action of a parent who is foolish and unwise, and unable to properly teach his children using sane and constructive methods.

Such a parent would be grossly inept as a parent, IMHO.


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Wed 11/24/10 08:07 AM





people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us! God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving, Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no


if god is love, then there would be no need for hell...


If there wasn't a separate place such as hell then heaven would be like hell. Satan would be in heaven causing trouble for everyone, putting everyone through misery, he would make heaven just that, hell.


So then the only difference between living in heaven and living on earth, is that in heaven there are no NEWS channels to watch and everyone basically turns a blind eye to suffering and all suffering is simply placed out of sight, but it still continues to exist.

Also, parents who made it to heaven, but who's children went to hell, must just ignore the fact that their children are suffering for all of eternity. Or does God give them amnesia so they don't even remember having had children?

I was kind of hoping that heaven would be better than that. But based on what you're saying all it amounts to is to turn a blind eye to suffering and just focus solely on your own good fortune.

Heaven sounds like it would be for extremely selfish people who only care about themselves.

I remember a gentleman who used to post here and he gave God a condition. He said that he wants to be the very last person to enter heaven, and that he refuses to enter until all others have entered.

Imagine that, a human who actually grasps the concept of unconditional love. flowerforyou


In heaven there will be no turning the blind eye to suffering for there will be no suffering. There will be no hunger, no disease, no sadness. You won't have time to remorse in the ones that didn't make it to heaven for your time will be all given to rejoicing in the lord and praising him in all his greatness.


why does god need to be praised? why do we have look at him in awe?
does he need to be told how great he is?

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Wed 11/24/10 08:10 AM

Cowboy wrote:

God's love is unconditional. Doesn't matter if you believe in him or not, he still loves you. So you're saying if someone punishes their children he doesn't love them? God's love is unconditional, at any time weather it be your death bed or not, if you accept Jesus as your lord and saviour you will be granted into heaven. We don't have to nor can we "buy" God's love, it is freely given waiting for you to reach out and grab it.


Condemning children to eternal damnation or spiritual death cannot be considered a form of "loving punishment" for there would be no way to learn from such a "lesson".

Such an action could only be the action of a parent who is foolish and unwise, and unable to properly teach his children using sane and constructive methods.

Such a parent would be grossly inept as a parent, IMHO.




That is because "children" won't burn in hell or anything. Children are innocent for they do not know "right from wrong". They have not had the chance to either give their heart to God or not.

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Wed 11/24/10 08:11 AM






people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us! God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving, Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no


if god is love, then there would be no need for hell...


If there wasn't a separate place such as hell then heaven would be like hell. Satan would be in heaven causing trouble for everyone, putting everyone through misery, he would make heaven just that, hell.


So then the only difference between living in heaven and living on earth, is that in heaven there are no NEWS channels to watch and everyone basically turns a blind eye to suffering and all suffering is simply placed out of sight, but it still continues to exist.

Also, parents who made it to heaven, but who's children went to hell, must just ignore the fact that their children are suffering for all of eternity. Or does God give them amnesia so they don't even remember having had children?

I was kind of hoping that heaven would be better than that. But based on what you're saying all it amounts to is to turn a blind eye to suffering and just focus solely on your own good fortune.

Heaven sounds like it would be for extremely selfish people who only care about themselves.

I remember a gentleman who used to post here and he gave God a condition. He said that he wants to be the very last person to enter heaven, and that he refuses to enter until all others have entered.

Imagine that, a human who actually grasps the concept of unconditional love. flowerforyou


In heaven there will be no turning the blind eye to suffering for there will be no suffering. There will be no hunger, no disease, no sadness. You won't have time to remorse in the ones that didn't make it to heaven for your time will be all given to rejoicing in the lord and praising him in all his greatness.


why does god need to be praised? why do we have look at him in awe?
does he need to be told how great he is?


He doesn't *need* to be praised. But that would be the greatest thing in the world to just give him praise and worship him as he deserves.

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Wed 11/24/10 08:12 AM







people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us! God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving, Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no


if god is love, then there would be no need for hell...


If there wasn't a separate place such as hell then heaven would be like hell. Satan would be in heaven causing trouble for everyone, putting everyone through misery, he would make heaven just that, hell.


So then the only difference between living in heaven and living on earth, is that in heaven there are no NEWS channels to watch and everyone basically turns a blind eye to suffering and all suffering is simply placed out of sight, but it still continues to exist.

Also, parents who made it to heaven, but who's children went to hell, must just ignore the fact that their children are suffering for all of eternity. Or does God give them amnesia so they don't even remember having had children?

I was kind of hoping that heaven would be better than that. But based on what you're saying all it amounts to is to turn a blind eye to suffering and just focus solely on your own good fortune.

Heaven sounds like it would be for extremely selfish people who only care about themselves.

I remember a gentleman who used to post here and he gave God a condition. He said that he wants to be the very last person to enter heaven, and that he refuses to enter until all others have entered.

Imagine that, a human who actually grasps the concept of unconditional love. flowerforyou


In heaven there will be no turning the blind eye to suffering for there will be no suffering. There will be no hunger, no disease, no sadness. You won't have time to remorse in the ones that didn't make it to heaven for your time will be all given to rejoicing in the lord and praising him in all his greatness.


why does god need to be praised? why do we have look at him in awe?
does he need to be told how great he is?


He doesn't *need* to be praised. But that would be the greatest thing in the world to just give him praise and worship him as he deserves.


so i can believe in him and not praise him?...i think the bible says different

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Wed 11/24/10 08:14 AM

The world as we know it

has an expiration date.

God has offered a way

of escape from destruction.

Take it or leave it.

Your Choice.

Live for today

or Live forever.


This is the antithesis of the idea that God's creation is "Good".

This mentality causes people to look at life and creation as a waste of time. Why care about the future of this life? Why care about saving planet Earth? On the contrary the sooner this life is over the soon you can be in your eternal heaven.

This kind of mentality causes people to solely focus on some imagined afterlife at the COST of forfeiting the ACTUAL life that we were actually given.

This mentality suggests that you do not appreciate God's creation at all, you do not appreciate life on Earth, and you're standing in line at the complaint department demanding something BETTER. whoa

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Wed 11/24/10 08:15 AM








people try to understand God he is who he is he dont need to explain anything to us! God loves us unconditionally hes merciful and loving, Gods way are not our ways he sees things diffrent then we do, hes understanding and forgiving he loves us thats all we need to no


if god is love, then there would be no need for hell...


If there wasn't a separate place such as hell then heaven would be like hell. Satan would be in heaven causing trouble for everyone, putting everyone through misery, he would make heaven just that, hell.


So then the only difference between living in heaven and living on earth, is that in heaven there are no NEWS channels to watch and everyone basically turns a blind eye to suffering and all suffering is simply placed out of sight, but it still continues to exist.

Also, parents who made it to heaven, but who's children went to hell, must just ignore the fact that their children are suffering for all of eternity. Or does God give them amnesia so they don't even remember having had children?

I was kind of hoping that heaven would be better than that. But based on what you're saying all it amounts to is to turn a blind eye to suffering and just focus solely on your own good fortune.

Heaven sounds like it would be for extremely selfish people who only care about themselves.

I remember a gentleman who used to post here and he gave God a condition. He said that he wants to be the very last person to enter heaven, and that he refuses to enter until all others have entered.

Imagine that, a human who actually grasps the concept of unconditional love. flowerforyou


In heaven there will be no turning the blind eye to suffering for there will be no suffering. There will be no hunger, no disease, no sadness. You won't have time to remorse in the ones that didn't make it to heaven for your time will be all given to rejoicing in the lord and praising him in all his greatness.


why does god need to be praised? why do we have look at him in awe?
does he need to be told how great he is?


He doesn't *need* to be praised. But that would be the greatest thing in the world to just give him praise and worship him as he deserves.


so i can believe in him and not praise him?...i think the bible says different


James 2:17

17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone

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Wed 11/24/10 08:19 AM

Cowboy wrote:

God's love is unconditional. Doesn't matter if you believe in him or not, he still loves you. So you're saying if someone punishes their children he doesn't love them? God's love is unconditional, at any time weather it be your death bed or not, if you accept Jesus as your lord and saviour you will be granted into heaven. We don't have to nor can we "buy" God's love, it is freely given waiting for you to reach out and grab it.


Condemning children to eternal damnation or spiritual death cannot be considered a form of "loving punishment" for there would be no way to learn from such a "lesson".

Such an action could only be the action of a parent who is foolish and unwise, and unable to properly teach his children using sane and constructive methods.

Such a parent would be grossly inept as a parent, IMHO.





In no uncertain terms YOU are responsible for the eternal or spiritual well-being of young people's lives...you said you teach...what is the damnable thing that you teach, but your own mixed up philosphies toward the God who created them and is able to save them.

Mat_19:14, But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

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