I respect you all for your beliefs/studies. You have shown that you know what u are talking about in your belief and do not just sugar coat it when in a bind. i believe when in a bind you learn the most. So i am asking you all and whoever else to join this board with facts. Not just saying this is what millions believe so it has to be right. many have asked me why i like these 2 guys. it is simple they make me think and make me dig if i am going to defend what i believe to be true. Hoping for s fruitful challenge for sll. may Yahweh Bless us With Wisdom... Miles

>> So i am asking you all and whoever else to join this board with facts.

"Facts". What makes a fact a 'fact'? Its amazing the things which have been considered "facts" over the years.

I have no science whatsoever
just love to my God and Jesus
for me that's enough and i'll defend my beliefs to death
sorry if i don't have interesting scientific facts to back up my beliefs

abracadabra does not believe. he is a scientists of sorts who needs science to believe. If we can not support anything thrown at us with factual words to absolutely defend Yahshua. Then he is right. Just believe of the reformation is dead. now we have the information highway and so many discoveries in Israel. That facts are needed to build our faith stronger. If you are satified with just believe. the the Easter bunny hunt seems quite logical for a ressurection... Miles

then i'm quite happy with my easter bunny

Miles,

I understand better now where you are coming from in the opening post.

eh I'm lost...I'll just question everything like I have been and keep asking those questions till I find the answers that soothe my senses

shalom
what do you question?.. Miles

Thats great massagetrade... Blessings .. Miles

I question everything but mostly that which I do not understand.

can u be a little more specific/ say even bad experiences you have had to make you question.. Blessings Miles

Lonely Walker writes:

" I have no science whatsoever
just love to my God and Jesus
for me that's enough and i'll defend my beliefs to death"

Thomas Jefferson said something to the effect that one's neighbor believing in the deities of his neighbor's choice in no way breaks *his* legs. Sensible advice and a way at looking at things, don't you agree?

But when your defense of those beliefs to the death puts me in the crossfire, I'd at least like to explain why I'd like a little freedom _from_ religion.

"sorry if i don't have interesting scientific facts to back up my beliefs "

And that's fine with me. They are, after all, your beliefs to believe and practice as you see fit as long as they hurt no one. (Isn't there a Spanish saying to the effect "And if it hurts none, do as you will?).

Trouble is, religion has a long history of interfering with science and casting scientists in the roles of villains. When the two conflict, it's often a case of "There shall be no beliefs but those laid down by The One True G_d".

That's how religion *doesn't* return the favor of ideological laissez faire. And that's the bone this commentator has to pick with it.


-Kerry O.

Harming none, do as you will is also part of the Wiccan Creed.

it's also a part of the philosophy of Immanuel Kant.

Science (facts), and religion have nothing in common. Religion is spiritual and based on faith!
Thank you TLW, and kevin, the two have no proper place in the same discussion!

Personally Miles, I find your heros statements in this forum to be quite foreign to anything Ive learned from the religous leaders that I have had. They seem akin to someone who has tried to learn on their own without guidance from religous leadership.

Are we idolizing the sacred cow, or God! I usually stay silent in these threads, but I often find myself giggling at the absurdity of some of the things I read.
It is not my place tp judge anyone though, so I stay out of these discussions to keep my faith, and the teachings of my life from being tainted. If your faith is true, discussion is not necessary. If you have questions, you shoul approach someone of your faith with the proper qualifications to teach you.
I dont mean any insults either, so dont go there, please! I just thought this topic was funny, and it reminds me of someone worshipping false prophets! Peace out and a thousand hail Mary's to ya!!!
Fanta!!
Hi CCP!!! Keep your faith, babe. I like your heart!

as far as i believe i think i'm not hurting anybody
i must agree religions (all) as an organized being may cause harm, but only because they truely believe that what they believe is the truth.
however, i don't agree the methods used by organized religions
example inquisition.

Invisible writes:

" it's also a part of the philosophy of Immanuel Kant."

Ah, Kant. Another example of someone involved in the science of thinking getting into trouble with a repressive religious enviroment (Frederich William II of Prussia).

But Kantian ethics also held that solitary sex was wrong, and silly things like selling one's own hair were taboo.

-Kerry O.

The Lonely Walker writes:

" as far as i believe i think i'm not hurting anybody
i must agree religions (all) as an organized being may cause harm, but only because they truely believe that what they believe is the truth.
however, i don't agree the methods used by organized religions
example inquisition. "

When a jury finds an innocent man guilty, the judge sentences him to death, and the state carries out that sentence, who speaks for him? And if there is a heaven, what do you think the Good People who thought they were doing the work of the Truth, only to find out otherwise there, would have to say to him? What recompense for his anguish and pain could they offer him even there? Interesting (and disturbing) thought experiment, don't you think? (Except if it's your reality.)

See, this is why I think governments must be secular. Religion makes too many too sure of their version of The Truth.


-Kerry O.

OK, now what does kerry-o write?

i agree religion does not have anything to do with government
religion must be a personal experience between an individual and his/her God who is one and only one