I have investigated all the conspiracy information out there. It is not concrete, not verifiable, not consistent, etc...

It is not enough for me to pursue it any further.

Here's a pic of the guy in the video...the FBI discription does not match..OBL is left handed and this guy writes with his right hand..also OBL does not wear a ring.

The guy in the vid:



OBL:



Any fool can see this does not add up...

Ya know believing the conspiracy also requires the belief that Baby Bush is intelligent enough to plan and execute an elaborate plan to make fodder for his wars.

I just can't believe he is that smart.

If he is, he is the best actor I have ever seen.

Bush was just a puppet.

ALL you need to do is set a cinder block up, set it afire (as hot as you want, you can even add steel reinforcement to be sure) and see if it does this:

Sorry, I do love you but it doesn't get any simpler than that. I hate it but it's true...

all presidents are puppets....just figureheads

excellent point

I don't need wiki to show that you are grasping at straws..

If you knew that they were licensed pilots you wouldn't have asked such a stupid question.

That is.. unless the FAA issuance was part of the conspiracy.

HMMMM...

How amazingly contradictive to your own statements either Bush planned the whole conspiracy and should be tried accordingly or he is a puppet, which is it? Can you guys even make up your own minds on your conspiracies....wow.......

Well, maybe in your research you may have overlooked the Neocon ownage of it. No, I am not going NWO on ya..that's for another thread but Bush was owned by the Neocons...but first you need to see this as a start to really investigating the founding of this movement and it's power to subvert us and impose their agendas. They are STILL around too...see: "GOP"

Also you need to figure the Military Industrial Complex's power as well. It's a long story...that is WAY past being told.

Start here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnkdfFAqsHA

Okay love but it isn't that simple. So hating it doesn't do any good.

The building was much more than a cinder block and steel reinforcements. There is air pressure to consider and the flammability of the contents and building and the plane and it's fuel and weight.

It is so complicated that even the construction experts cannot be sure of what happened. Also there is no precedent for this kind of building collapse so they cannot even use other buildings to show a difference.

There just isn't enough proof of a conspiracy.

I know people can make a conspiracy of anything and they will continue to do so.

But this is not one that I can agree to.

I never start or end on U tube. The vids on there are not verification of anything. People can alter them to say or show anything they want. So it is not a site for real news.

You can't even shill straight...see people, that's what shills do...they take a grey area and dismiss the whole concept. That's in Hannity's book...lol. Can't even get a grey area right...patheticlly funny yo.

You said:

"Atta and al-Shehhi both had valid commercial pilots licenses.."

Then said:

"unless the FAA issuance"

They were TEMPS! Certainly not commercial grade material!

From Wiki:

"Atta and al-Shehhi each received an FAA Temporary Airman Certificate, qualifying them as "private pilots". "Atta had approximately 270 hours of total "

Bam, slam, smack...and he scores!

How many of you are engineers out there? Just curious. I am en engineer and while I am a EE I took a class with a civil engineering professor and we discussed why the towers collapsed. For one the insulation in the buildings actually caused the jet fuel to burn much hotter. They changed regulations on what insulation can be used for buildings of certain heights after this event because of this very thing.

Also if you ever studied material science you understand a little thing called yield strength. The hotter a material gets the weaker it becomes. We also know that force = mass X acceleration. The mass of this huge building plus the acceleration due to gravity produces a huge force. With a huge force comes a huge inertia or a resistance to change in motion. Since the forces are downward and there is such great inertia it can be easily understood why the building would fall downward. As more of the building colapsed it's mass becomes bigger and it's force and inertia becomes bigger and continues to move in the same direction.

to dismiss the voice of millions as less intelligent than self, is surely the delusion of the delusional, whom but prove what appeases themself.

to prove what one wish to appease itself of fair skies, leaves one soaking wet and cold in the rain of treachery and corruption.

if anything can be altered by somebody, to present the desired effect, in a modern technological society, than nobody should be immune from scrutiny and public inspection, most those that hold the fate and life of millions in their hands.

what expects other's to trust itelf, prove itself see's not the value of other humans, or it would embrace the scrutiny that comes as concerns, from the millions of lives it hold in it's hands.

the captain of an airplane, that despises questions about his credentials and qualifications, from the voice of a mother or father but seeking to ensure the safety of their children, is not any captain worthy to fly any plane.

to deny the voice of millions as meaningless, is to deny the value of millions.

what deny the value of millions, has no true caring for anything except what effect itself.

the burden of proof and evidence should always lie with what hold the lives of millions in it's hands, never being upon the shoulders of the millions whose fate is decided by another.

who should bear the greatest burden of evidence and proof?

that which holds the lives of millions in it's hands, or that which has it's fate decided by others?

anything that embrace the love of proving to itself it be of high intellect, instead of proving the value of the words of it's own fellow man, shall all the whilst be manipulated like a fool.

You are totally clueless..

You only need a minimum of 40 hours of flying time to qualify for a private pilots license.. 270 hours and they only had temporary private licenses? HAHAHAHAHA...

This type is absurdity is why you and your movement have not a single shred of creditability..

Here is the actual word for word posting ...

"Atta began flight training on July 7, 2000 and continued training nearly every day. By the end of July 2000, both Atta and Shehhi did solo flights. Atta earned his private pilot certificate in September, and then he and Shehhi decided to switch flight schools. Both enrolled at Jones Aviation in Sarasota; however, both took training there only for a brief time. They had problems following instructions and were both very upset when they failed their Stage 1 exam at Jones Aviation. They inquired about multi-engine planes and told the instructor that "they wanted to move quickly, because they had a job waiting in their country upon completion of their training in the U.S." In mid-October, Atta and Shehhi returned to Huffman Aviation to continue training. In November 2000, Atta earned his instrument rating, and then a commercial pilot's license in December from the Federal Aviation Administration."[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta

I posted this since you like wiki so much...

What part of the last sentence is so hard for you to understand?

I realize that you have to push the idea that they weren't skilled enough to fly the planes into the building, otherwise your pathetic theory falls apart..

keep making **** up, because I'll continue to expose it for the fraud it is..

The point is and remains that these pilots nor any pilots for that matter could not have flown that accurately to pull this off. I don't "make **** up", I posted a vid of a real pilot who backs me up and there's a whole org that says the same thing...Pilots for 9-11 Truth.

Still, FAIL! Keep lying for criminals...it shows a lack of ethics and morality to the highest degree.

PS-I've flown sims, one a Falcon Jet and also an EA6B in the Marines. I tried to fly the Falcon into the Sears Tower...It's nearly impossible at the speeds the planes that hit the towers were at.

It's just stupid to believe this went off as we were told. No GD way.

"Pilots For Truth Continues To Grow - New Core Members Added

In just 4 short years, Pilots For 9/11 Truth has grown to over 300 Verified Pilots and Aviation Professionals, almost 3000 forum members, even more petition signors, and continues to grow.

Visit http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core to browse the long and growing list of Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core Members.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth have made it their mission to determine the truth surrounding the events of September 11, 2001 since it has become the day which has changed the world for us all with an overwhelming and growing number of questions unresolved.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth have analyzed the events which took place at the WTC, The Pentagon, and in Shankville, PA based on data provided by government agencies. Numerous presentations, technical papers and articles have been produced with more in the making including analysis of the Air Response on 9/11. Many radio, TV and Speaking engagements throughout the world have been accomplished, with more to come. There is a growing mountain of evidence which conflicts with the Government version of events."

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

300 real pilots against your truthiness...

Pardon? This speech is well known, it's in his own words...it's historical fact. I cannot believe you've never heard it nor believe it is true.

Here's another vid of historical fact.

Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

A B C...9-11. We were warned....and ignored it..and it WILL happen again unless we prosecute the criminals.

Yea they are so full of truth that they make you pay for their dvds. Right....

Doesn't Rivera work for FOX??

Who on here are the ones who claim FOX is FAKE?