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Have you forgotten when you repeatedly accused me of abusing my daughter by raising her as a Christian? If I'm bored tonight, I'll go back through the forums and look for your post where you repeatedly wrote "puke!" and said "I feel sorry for anyone who has ever met you". But keep telling yourself and everyone else that you have never "personally attacked" me. That's not even true for this page of this thread. I vividly remember your behavior back then. We were talking about Christianity teaching little children that they are sinners and are responsible for having a man crucified on a cross. I said that I felt that to do such a thing is child abuse. You took GREAT PERSONAL OFFENSE to that and started defending yourself in a major way. Evidently you must have felt that this scenario applies to you. Well, hey, I still hold that to teach little children that they are sinners and are responsible for having a man crucified on a cross is psychological child abuse. If you feel that you've done that, then yes I am puking. And I feel sorry for the children. But don't claim that I "accused" you of this, when it's YOU who is claiming ownership of this behavior. If you haven't done this, then so be it. If you have, then you make me puke. But don't claim that I "accused" you of doing this, because that would be a LIE and good little Christians aren't supposed to lie.  In fact, at the time I didn't even KNOW that you even HAD any children! You were the one who started getting all DEFENSIVE about how you supposedly treat your kids. |
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But seriously, I would like to ask YOU,...
If the supposed "virgin" Mary herself rejected the rumors that she consented to giving birth to the child of God, then why do you continue to believe those rumors?  |
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Your word would have more weight, if you had actually read the Bible or studied Judaism or Christianity to any degree. That's an extremely lame charge. The reason being that there does not exist a single solitary clergyman anywhere who can convince anyone of any particular interpretation of anything. Therefore charging someone with not having studied the Bible is bull crap, because evidently no one can make any sense out of it no matter how much they study it. Many Christian beliefs are self-evident, that is deemed "Mere Christianity". Other Christian beliefs are open to interpretation. These are debated among Christians. "Is smoking a sin"? I'm sure you could find verses that both support and denounce smoking. Then there are other beliefs that are deeply theological, which are studied and debated over lifetimes. Things that perhaps mankind cannot understand. You ignore the first group, minimize the second group and insist that only the third group is important. Perhaps one day, you will sit down and read the Bible and reveal a great revelation to Christians, clarifying some piece of theology that has stumped scholars for thousands of years. But until you actually read the Bible, you are nothing but a "hater" in the common parlance. A dog who howls and barks at a stranger, without knowing if the stranger is a friend or foe. Just a question for you, Spidercmb. Did you read the links I posted before "howling" at me??? I browsed the first two or three. They were, as I noted, legalism and conspiracy theories. The Jesus name thing has been done to death and I'll just say it again: Religion isn't magic. The words have been translated, I know that Jesus' Hebrew name was Yeshua. I think the same being who created the universe can figure out that when people pray to Jesus, they mean Yeshua. And if you look at the meaning of "name" in the Commandments, you will find that the word there means "reputation, fame, glory" in this case. God commands that we do nothing to lessen his glory, not that we use one particular name when speaking of Him. In fact, the New Testament tells us that God wants us to call him "abba" (daddy). The accusations against the first council of Nicea is also ridiculous, because we have fragments of the list of the accepted New Testament books from less than 100 years after Jesus' death. The majority of the Gnostic gospels weren't even written until after the First Council of Nicea. The name used is not really the issue. It is the pagan influence on the church at that time that is the issue. It is the ommisions and additions that are the issue. Another simple question for you. Which day do you believe is the Sabbath? |
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Your word would have more weight, if you had actually read the Bible or studied Judaism or Christianity to any degree. That's an extremely lame charge. The reason being that there does not exist a single solitary clergyman anywhere who can convince anyone of any particular interpretation of anything. Therefore charging someone with not having studied the Bible is bull crap, because evidently no one can make any sense out of it no matter how much they study it. Many Christian beliefs are self-evident, that is deemed "Mere Christianity". Other Christian beliefs are open to interpretation. These are debated among Christians. "Is smoking a sin"? I'm sure you could find verses that both support and denounce smoking. Then there are other beliefs that are deeply theological, which are studied and debated over lifetimes. Things that perhaps mankind cannot understand. You ignore the first group, minimize the second group and insist that only the third group is important. Perhaps one day, you will sit down and read the Bible and reveal a great revelation to Christians, clarifying some piece of theology that has stumped scholars for thousands of years. But until you actually read the Bible, you are nothing but a "hater" in the common parlance. A dog who howls and barks at a stranger, without knowing if the stranger is a friend or foe. Just a question for you, Spidercmb. Did you read the links I posted before "howling" at me??? I browsed the first two or three. They were, as I noted, legalism and conspiracy theories. The Jesus name thing has been done to death and I'll just say it again: Religion isn't magic. The words have been translated, I know that Jesus' Hebrew name was Yeshua. I think the same being who created the universe can figure out that when people pray to Jesus, they mean Yeshua. And if you look at the meaning of "name" in the Commandments, you will find that the word there means "reputation, fame, glory" in this case. God commands that we do nothing to lessen his glory, not that we use one particular name when speaking of Him. In fact, the New Testament tells us that God wants us to call him "abba" (daddy). The accusations against the first council of Nicea is also ridiculous, because we have fragments of the list of the accepted New Testament books from less than 100 years after Jesus' death. The majority of the Gnostic gospels weren't even written until after the First Council of Nicea. The name used is not really the issue. It is the pagan influence on the church at that time that is the issue. It is the ommisions and additions that are the issue. Another simple question for you. Which day do you believe is the Sabbath? The Sabbath isn't a "day", but it is about 24 hours. It's from night fall on Friday until night fall on Saturday. But Jesus is my Sabbath and I take my rest in him every day. 
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Have you forgotten when you repeatedly accused me of abusing my daughter by raising her as a Christian? If I'm bored tonight, I'll go back through the forums and look for your post where you repeatedly wrote "puke!" and said "I feel sorry for anyone who has ever met you". But keep telling yourself and everyone else that you have never "personally attacked" me. That's not even true for this page of this thread. I vividly remember your behavior back then. We were talking about Christianity teaching little children that they are sinners and are responsible for having a man crucified on a cross. I said that I felt that to do such a thing is child abuse. You took GREAT PERSONAL OFFENSE to that and started defending yourself in a major way. Evidently you must have felt that this scenario applies to you. Well, hey, I still hold that to teach little children that they are sinners and are responsible for having a man crucified on a cross is psychological child abuse. If you feel that you've done that, then yes I am puking. And I feel sorry for the children. But don't claim that I "accused" you of this, when it's YOU who is claiming ownership of this behavior. If you haven't done this, then so be it. If you have, then you make me puke. But don't claim that I "accused" you of doing this, because that would be a LIE and good little Christians aren't supposed to lie. In fact, at the time I didn't even KNOW that you even HAD any children! You were the one who started getting all DEFENSIVE about how you supposedly treat your kids. You haven't changed a bit and your memory is absolutely terrible. I don't want to waste my time going back to find those posts of yours, everyone already knows the kind of man you are. |
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Genesis 1:28 is a blessing, not a commandment. Commandments are obeyed through actions and behaviors. Each commandment applies to everybody and everyone inherently has the ability to obey the commandments. There are many people who can't have children due to age, injury or congenital birth defects. This scripture is often taken out of context by Christians to justify the ban on contraceptives or as another leg in their case against Homosexuals. In either case, they are wrong, because this verse is clearly a blessing and not a commandment. God is not telling Adam and Eve what they have to do, but what they were made to do as a couple. Yea, sometimes the wording of things get confused. I had a thought though when I read you post - not really about your post - I wondered what language did Adam & Eve speak, in fact what languages or language transitions might have been used to pass down all that God supposedly said since man's creation? |
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You haven't changed a bit and your memory is absolutely terrible. I don't want to waste my time going back to find those posts of yours, everyone already knows the kind of man you are.  Fortunately everyone doesn't see me from your warped vantage point. I'm a very kind and loving man. I am deeply concerned with the psychological trauma that a violent x-rated religion can have on sensitive young children. I have known quite a few adults who have expressed their childhood trauma of being accused of being sinners and being in need of accepting the blood sacrifice of Jesus on their behalf that was supposedly required because of their unworthiness of God. It's just a sick religion all-round IMHO. It does far more damage then good, especially to good people who really don't need or deserve unwarranted guilt trips. |
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Genesis 1:28 is a blessing, not a commandment. Commandments are obeyed through actions and behaviors. Each commandment applies to everybody and everyone inherently has the ability to obey the commandments. There are many people who can't have children due to age, injury or congenital birth defects. This scripture is often taken out of context by Christians to justify the ban on contraceptives or as another leg in their case against Homosexuals. In either case, they are wrong, because this verse is clearly a blessing and not a commandment. God is not telling Adam and Eve what they have to do, but what they were made to do as a couple. Yea, sometimes the wording of things get confused. I had a thought though when I read you post - not really about your post - I wondered what language did Adam & Eve speak, in fact what languages or language transitions might have been used to pass down all that God supposedly said since man's creation? Does it matter? I can't see how it can. |
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Why is it that you don't then believe in Greek Mythology? ... It's exceedingly simple. The historic events recorded in the Bible are confirmed by archeology. There is no other religion on earth that can make that claim. The Greeks never made it to the top of mount Olympus, but we have. There are no gods there. No city. No throne. No ambrosia. We know that storms aren't caused by giant birds. We know that modern witchcraft (Wicca) was created in the 1930's based on falsified theories. We know that faerie circles are actually fungus and not a supernatural event. Science has proven the Bible historically accurate, while shattering any historical credibility of other religions. Perhaps we are reading very different accounts. What exactly has the archeological record confirmed? Only becasue what I've read confirms very little except, as I posted earlier, that whoever wrote some of the NT scriptures lived in or close to the time period as they made references to culture and a few dominant people of the time. That is certainly no proof that the events portrayed in the Bible actually happened. Of course we know that those early beliefs were man made - but there is an issue with many of the Christian beliefs because many of the fundamental stories to the religions are exactly the same as stories portrayed in those earlier religion myths. |
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Genesis 1:28 is a blessing, not a commandment. Commandments are obeyed through actions and behaviors. Each commandment applies to everybody and everyone inherently has the ability to obey the commandments. There are many people who can't have children due to age, injury or congenital birth defects. This scripture is often taken out of context by Christians to justify the ban on contraceptives or as another leg in their case against Homosexuals. In either case, they are wrong, because this verse is clearly a blessing and not a commandment. God is not telling Adam and Eve what they have to do, but what they were made to do as a couple. Yea, sometimes the wording of things get confused. I had a thought though when I read you post - not really about your post - I wondered what language did Adam & Eve speak, in fact what languages or language transitions might have been used to pass down all that God supposedly said since man's creation? What many people don't realize is that the entire Bible itself is based on shamanism and witchcraft. Obviously there weren't any reporters standing around taping this stuff. In fact, much of what the authors claimed that Jesus said is absurd unless they were a fly on the wall. They even claim to know what Jesus said in his private prayers to God. They were either making a lot of it up (which I personally believe), or they were getting the information via a shamanic vision or dream. In fact, much of what's in the Bible does indeed suggest precisely this. Many things were supposedly revealed to people through visions in their dreams. The entire book of Revelations is supposed to be a vision that came to John in a dream. So it's truly ironic that the people who worship this stuff as coming from God, are the same people who say "Bah Hum Bug" to all the other religions that have been inspired via the very same methods. I think much of the Bible was indeed inspired by God. But much of it was just superstitious mumbo jumbo as well. In fact, probably the bulk of it is mumbo jumbo, with a little touch of truth here and there. I would really be shocked if nothing that is truly spiritual ended up in the Bible. I'm sure there is some spiritual wisdom in there between all the male-chauvinism and stoning of heathens and sinners, etc.  |
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Of course we know that those early beliefs were man made - but there is an issue with many of the Christian beliefs because many of the fundamental stories to the religions are exactly the same as stories portrayed in those earlier religion myths. They have Satan to save the day there. They claim that Satan knew ahead of time what God's plans were going to be so he inspired all those previous stories to be written thus FOOLING YOU into thinking that the Christians were simply plagiarizing previous myths. They have all their bases covered. It's just amazing how they have an explanation for everything, isn't it? Science is wrong, the universe is wrong, the devil did it, blah, blah, blah. |
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Genesis 1:28 is a blessing, not a commandment. Commandments are obeyed through actions and behaviors. Each commandment applies to everybody and everyone inherently has the ability to obey the commandments. There are many people who can't have children due to age, injury or congenital birth defects. This scripture is often taken out of context by Christians to justify the ban on contraceptives or as another leg in their case against Homosexuals. In either case, they are wrong, because this verse is clearly a blessing and not a commandment. God is not telling Adam and Eve what they have to do, but what they were made to do as a couple. Yea, sometimes the wording of things get confused. I had a thought though when I read you post - not really about your post - I wondered what language did Adam & Eve speak, in fact what languages or language transitions might have been used to pass down all that God supposedly said since man's creation? Does it matter? I can't see how it can. Not really. But we can see how much influence cultures and language have on religious beliefs. I just wondered about the 'first' language and it's limitations as the first language and how ideas might have changed due language/culture barriers. It was just a thought. |
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Why is it that you don't then believe in Greek Mythology? ... It's exceedingly simple. The historic events recorded in the Bible are confirmed by archeology. There is no other religion on earth that can make that claim. The Greeks never made it to the top of mount Olympus, but we have. There are no gods there. No city. No throne. No ambrosia. We know that storms aren't caused by giant birds. We know that modern witchcraft (Wicca) was created in the 1930's based on falsified theories. We know that faerie circles are actually fungus and not a supernatural event. Science has proven the Bible historically accurate, while shattering any historical credibility of other religions. Perhaps we are reading very different accounts. What exactly has the archeological record confirmed? Only becasue what I've read confirms very little except, as I posted earlier, that whoever wrote some of the NT scriptures lived in or close to the time period as they made references to culture and a few dominant people of the time. That is certainly no proof that the events portrayed in the Bible actually happened. Of course we know that those early beliefs were man made - but there is an issue with many of the Christian beliefs because many of the fundamental stories to the religions are exactly the same as stories portrayed in those earlier religion myths. Just google Historicity of the Bible. There are lots of links for and against. Read them and make up your own mind. |
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Of course we know that those early beliefs were man made - but there is an issue with many of the Christian beliefs because many of the fundamental stories to the religions are exactly the same as stories portrayed in those earlier religion myths. They have Satan to save the day there. They claim that Satan knew ahead of time what God's plans were going to be so he inspired all those previous stories to be written thus FOOLING YOU into thinking that the Christians were simply plagiarizing previous myths. They have all their bases covered. It's just amazing how they have an explanation for everything, isn't it? Science is wrong, the universe is wrong, the devil did it, blah, blah, blah. Actually, we have historians who deny that Christianity shares anything but a vague resemblance to any religions other than Judaism and Islam. Those same historians (in just trying to do their job), help to expose the hypocrisy of the non-Christians who support silly "Horus was just like Jesus" stories that have been dis-proven repeatedly. |
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Genesis 1:28 is a blessing, not a commandment. Commandments are obeyed through actions and behaviors. Each commandment applies to everybody and everyone inherently has the ability to obey the commandments. There are many people who can't have children due to age, injury or congenital birth defects. This scripture is often taken out of context by Christians to justify the ban on contraceptives or as another leg in their case against Homosexuals. In either case, they are wrong, because this verse is clearly a blessing and not a commandment. God is not telling Adam and Eve what they have to do, but what they were made to do as a couple. Yea, sometimes the wording of things get confused. I had a thought though when I read you post - not really about your post - I wondered what language did Adam & Eve speak, in fact what languages or language transitions might have been used to pass down all that God supposedly said since man's creation? Does it matter? I can't see how it can. Not really. But we can see how much influence cultures and language have on religious beliefs. I just wondered about the 'first' language and it's limitations as the first language and how ideas might have changed due language/culture barriers. It was just a thought. Reckon first language was grunts and gestures. Example... very ancient 'marriege' ritual. Man grasps club firmly and ***. they is married. He might of even grunted something... like eye hooh... hoooh mine... 
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Of course we know that those early beliefs were man made - but there is an issue with many of the Christian beliefs because many of the fundamental stories to the religions are exactly the same as stories portrayed in those earlier religion myths. They have Satan to save the day there. They claim that Satan knew ahead of time what God's plans were going to be so he inspired all those previous stories to be written thus FOOLING YOU into thinking that the Christians were simply plagiarizing previous myths. They have all their bases covered. It's just amazing how they have an explanation for everything, isn't it? Science is wrong, the universe is wrong, the devil did it, blah, blah, blah. Actually, we have historians who deny that Christianity shares anything but a vague resemblance to any religions other than Judaism and Islam. Those same historians (in just trying to do their job), help to expose the hypocrisy of the non-Christians who support silly "Horus was just like Jesus" stories that have been dis-proven repeatedly. Dis-proven by whom and to whom?  Christian are easily pacified by the slightest hand-waving if it will support the idea that their religion is true. Just show a few things that were different between Horus an Jesus, and they're satisfied that they are not even remotely similar. :whao: Of course, that's to be expected. A belief in Christianity already requires a mind that isn't capable of very much abstraction. As far as I'm concerned there is very little difference between Zeus and the Biblical God. They are both envisioned as being male. They are both the "God of Gods", of course Zeus actually recognizes the existence of other Gods whilst the Biblical God claims that he's the only God, yet ironically he still felt it necessary to make a commandment that no other Gods be placed before him.  They are both appeased or atoned by blood sacrifices. There isn't much difference between them at all really. The God of the Bible is far more jealous and male-chauvinistic but that's about the only real difference. Not enough to suggest that its a totally new and different type of mythology, just slightly different in the details. In fact, why should the creator of this universe be appeased by blood sacrifices just like a totally fabricated mythological God like Zeus was? Once again you'd need to appeal to the idea that Satan is going around writing stories depicting what God will be like before God actually writes his own stories. The whole biblical mythology isn't even original or different from any other mythology of that region really. Why people are so determined to support the biblical mythology is truly beyond me. The only thing I can imagine is that they are either carrying a whole lot of guilt on their shoulders about something and feel that the Biblical mythology is the only one that promises to lift it, or they have convinced themselves that if the Bible isn't true then atheism is probably true. So since they can't face an atheistic existence they really have no choice but to cling to the biblical myths with every shred of hope they can possibly muster. I'm not sure how I would have behaved had I thought like that. If I were convinced that it was either the Bible or atheism and no other choices could possibly be valid. Maybe I would have clung to the biblical picture out of pure desperation for something more than atheism too. Fortunately I wasn't bogged down by that kind of narrow-minded thinking. Like AdventureBegins often shares with us, I knew God BEFORE I knew anything else. Therefore to me the Bible NEVER represented God. I was simply taught that it was supposedly the word of God and this history of humans relationship with God. When I realized the story is far too absurd and filled with blatant contradictions to be true, that didn't phase my belief in God one iota, because I already KNEW God to be something far more real than some stupid storybook. Therefore, to discover that a story was false did not 'kill' God for me. On the contrary it was actually a relief to know that God could indeed actually be far wiser than those stupid stories. And so all I needed at that point was to better understand what God might truly be like. Eastern Mysticism certainly held far more wisdom on that than anything else I've found to date. Wicca is simply a highly romanticized and ritualized worship of God. It's just a very beautiful way to worship (i.e. love and revere) God, and commune with God. Wiccan cannot be 'true' nor 'false'. Wicca is a means of worshiping God, and that can neither be true nor false. It's simply what it is. Wicca doesn't "define" what God must be, and therefore it cannot be wrong. People who think that it could somehow be wrong simply don't understand it is all. Only Christians need PROOFS because they are the only ones who are out to DEFINE what God must BE! But they can never prove anything because God refuses to become their bigotry scapegoat. |
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Of course, that's to be expected. A belief in Christianity already requires a mind that isn't capable of very much abstraction. As far as I'm concerned there is very little difference between Zeus and the Biblical God. They are both envisioned as being male. They are both the "God of Gods", of course Zeus actually recognizes the existence of other Gods whilst the Biblical God claims that he's the only God, yet ironically he still felt it necessary to make a commandment that no other Gods be placed before him. They are both appeased or atoned by blood sacrifices. There isn't much difference between them at all really. WOW!, every night's sleep does erase your previous day, doesn't it? So you again make the same claim that I proved to you as false a few months back? Do you remember when you claimed the Bible denied the existence of other gods? Do you remember when I proved to you that it did not deny other gods you changed it to "tolerate other religions"? Sorry Ab, but the "mind that isn't capable of very much abstraction" looks like it belongs to you.
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You haven't changed a bit and your memory is absolutely terrible. I don't want to waste my time going back to find those posts of yours, everyone already knows the kind of man you are. Fortunately everyone doesn't see me from your warped vantage point. I'm a very kind and loving man. I am deeply concerned with the psychological trauma that a violent x-rated religion can have on sensitive young children. I have known quite a few adults who have expressed their childhood trauma of being accused of being sinners and being in need of accepting the blood sacrifice of Jesus on their behalf that was supposedly required because of their unworthiness of God. It's just a sick religion all-round IMHO. It does far more damage then good, especially to good people who really don't need or deserve unwarranted guilt trips. Kind loving man.Now thats funny!Except if you are a Christian right?If you are a Christian you are lower than dirt,ignorant,brain washed,sick in the head,stupid,homophobic,racist,according to your own words from what I have read debating you hundreds of times. Well kind loving man.I think myself and others would not shed a tear if your daily nauseating,insulting,posts ceased to exist.I know you have given me enough insults to last me several lifetimes.I know if you ever leave this place it will certainly be hard to find another person who is as dedicated as yourself spending half the day writing mini novels dedicated to insulting,smearing,and warping the Christian religion. Know this...People have spent their entire lives trying to fight Christianity and the bible.They have never succeeded and they never will.No matter what you say or what you do you will never make history as someone who had any effect on the bible.Millions have tried and their names and their works have long been forgotten.As Jesus said "Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will not pass away".Indeed that is true as there is no doubt the Holy bible will be until the end of time with billions of followers no matter what you or anyone else has to say about it.Why Atheist waste hours,days,and years fighting what they know is losing battle from the start is beyond me. |
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Know this...People have spent their entire lives trying to fight Christianity and the bible.They have never succeeded and they never will.No matter what you say or what you do you will never make history as someone who had any effect on the bible.Millions have tried and their names and their works have long been forgotten.As Jesus said "Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will not pass away".Indeed that is true as there is no doubt the Holy bible will be until the end of time with billions of followers no matter what you or anyone else has to say about it.Why Atheist waste hours,days,and years fighting what they know is losing battle from the start is beyond me. I can't speak for the Atheists, but *I* do it because of things that have taken place in history like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgardo_Mortara Besides, this country still canonizes religious freedom, so it's my time to 'waste' as I see fit. I'm not doing it for the recognition and I'm not trying to 'win' anything. But when the Catholic Church thinks it can kidnap children based on it's dogma, *someone* has to oppose its 'authority'. Because it's the right thing to do... -Kerry O. |
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You haven't changed a bit and your memory is absolutely terrible. I don't want to waste my time going back to find those posts of yours, everyone already knows the kind of man you are. Fortunately everyone doesn't see me from your warped vantage point. I'm a very kind and loving man. I am deeply concerned with the psychological trauma that a violent x-rated religion can have on sensitive young children. I have known quite a few adults who have expressed their childhood trauma of being accused of being sinners and being in need of accepting the blood sacrifice of Jesus on their behalf that was supposedly required because of their unworthiness of God. It's just a sick religion all-round IMHO. It does far more damage then good, especially to good people who really don't need or deserve unwarranted guilt trips. Kind loving man.Now thats funny!Except if you are a Christian right?If you are a Christian you are lower than dirt,ignorant,brain washed,sick in the head,stupid,homophobic,racist,according to your own words from what I have read debating you hundreds of times. Well kind loving man.I think myself and others would not shed a tear if your daily nauseating,insulting,posts ceased to exist.I know you have given me enough insults to last me several lifetimes.I know if you ever leave this place it will certainly be hard to find another person who is as dedicated as yourself spending half the day writing mini novels dedicated to insulting,smearing,and warping the Christian religion. Know this...People have spent their entire lives trying to fight Christianity and the bible.They have never succeeded and they never will.No matter what you say or what you do you will never make history as someone who had any effect on the bible.Millions have tried and their names and their works have long been forgotten.As Jesus said "Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will not pass away".Indeed that is true as there is no doubt the Holy bible will be until the end of time with billions of followers no matter what you or anyone else has to say about it.Why Atheist waste hours,days,and years fighting what they know is losing battle from the start is beyond me. Honestly, I wonder if he just cuts and pastes from previous posts. There is usually one or two sentences that are relevant to the post he is replying to and then about 40-50 that is just a rambling rant about the religion that "ruined his life". |
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