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Topic: What's your idea of justice?
WallyWest's photo
Mon 11/08/10 11:38 PM
I dunno'. I am just that pacifist who forgives under all circumstances. Perhaps it remains naive, but its what I strive for.

ron62449's photo
Tue 11/09/10 03:30 PM

How about totally stopping animal testing and using them.


Ok, so when are you going to volunteer to give your life up so they may find a cure for Cancer, Aids and other medical causes????????????

Ron

Mayhem_J's photo
Tue 11/09/10 03:34 PM
An eye for an eye....

FearandLoathing's photo
Tue 11/09/10 04:02 PM


what ever you do to a criminal, it wont make the crime disappear, it wont take away the pain of the victim...in such circumstances what you are talking about is not "justice" but rather revenge...

justified revenged...eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth..I suppose it will have to do within our current societies.


The justice system is a failure. Go ahead and look at the numbers, time and time again repeat offenders are let out into the streets...murderers, rapists, child predators, the list is endless.

It isn't revenge, hardly justice even...but it is a hell of a lot better than if you were to depend on the courts for justice.

SunriseDawn's photo
Tue 11/09/10 04:43 PM
Prison

SunriseDawn's photo
Tue 11/09/10 04:43 PM

I dunno'. I am just that pacifist who forgives under all circumstances. Perhaps it remains naive, but its what I strive for.


Wally, we don't have enough people like you.

Jess642's photo
Tue 11/09/10 05:05 PM






what ever you do to a criminal, it wont make the crime disappear, it wont take away the pain of the victim...in such circumstances what you are talking about is not "justice" but rather revenge...

justified revenged...eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth..I suppose it will have to do within our current societies.


According to records, almost all pedophiles are repeat offenders. Putting a bullet in them saves the other children that have not crossed their paths yet.

It is why you remove cancer from your body... to protect the future.


no one is born pedophilic..all offenders were once themselves innocent victims...seems justice doesnt go with pity and mercy...



thankyou!

One sane and well thought out person!


Why is it so easy to run for the ropes, guns and other awful things....and then run around spouting love peace and christian brown rice....seems discretionary compassion, compartmentalised and doled out according to which warm and fuzzy emotion is invoked....is the base mentality of most.


nearly all pedophiles were abused and horrendously mistreated themselves...those minute handful who are truely sociopathic are the rarity not the norm.


a simple eradication plan is so ridiculous....like gaoling pot smokers and basic traffic offenders....treatment and education is the way to reduce the harm caused...


That may be all warm and fuzzy but it doesn't fit the facts that once turned loose, pedophiles tend to ruin more children's lives. This country has had a long history of gradually losing personal responsibility and coming up with a never ending list of excuses for why the most horrific crimes are OK.

Was Charles Manson mistreated as a child? Who cares?

The only sane thought that should come to play in this screwed up society that we have created is "What do we need to do to protect our children?"

What is ridiculous is comparing child molestation to traffic tickets and pot smoking. It should be compared to murder and rape.



The comparison was not between molestation and pot smoking and traffic tickets...the comparison was between the extreme punishments that seem to be what happens in your country....or preferred by posters in this thread....emotive responses tend to miss the obvious statements..:wink:

it's a sensitive subject, that has fierce reactions in people....nowhere in my post did I suggest that children are not harmed by pedophilia...I should know, as I am a survivor of child sexual molestation....however, the reactive and murderous response to this issue is perpetuating the problem.

metalwing's photo
Tue 11/09/10 07:06 PM







what ever you do to a criminal, it wont make the crime disappear, it wont take away the pain of the victim...in such circumstances what you are talking about is not "justice" but rather revenge...

justified revenged...eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth..I suppose it will have to do within our current societies.


According to records, almost all pedophiles are repeat offenders. Putting a bullet in them saves the other children that have not crossed their paths yet.

It is why you remove cancer from your body... to protect the future.


no one is born pedophilic..all offenders were once themselves innocent victims...seems justice doesnt go with pity and mercy...



thankyou!

One sane and well thought out person!


Why is it so easy to run for the ropes, guns and other awful things....and then run around spouting love peace and christian brown rice....seems discretionary compassion, compartmentalised and doled out according to which warm and fuzzy emotion is invoked....is the base mentality of most.


nearly all pedophiles were abused and horrendously mistreated themselves...those minute handful who are truely sociopathic are the rarity not the norm.


a simple eradication plan is so ridiculous....like gaoling pot smokers and basic traffic offenders....treatment and education is the way to reduce the harm caused...


That may be all warm and fuzzy but it doesn't fit the facts that once turned loose, pedophiles tend to ruin more children's lives. This country has had a long history of gradually losing personal responsibility and coming up with a never ending list of excuses for why the most horrific crimes are OK.

Was Charles Manson mistreated as a child? Who cares?

The only sane thought that should come to play in this screwed up society that we have created is "What do we need to do to protect our children?"

What is ridiculous is comparing child molestation to traffic tickets and pot smoking. It should be compared to murder and rape.



The comparison was not between molestation and pot smoking and traffic tickets...the comparison was between the extreme punishments that seem to be what happens in your country....or preferred by posters in this thread....emotive responses tend to miss the obvious statements..:wink:

it's a sensitive subject, that has fierce reactions in people....nowhere in my post did I suggest that children are not harmed by pedophilia...I should know, as I am a survivor of child sexual molestation....however, the reactive and murderous response to this issue is perpetuating the problem.


How?

WallyWest's photo
Tue 11/09/10 07:11 PM


I dunno'. I am just that pacifist who forgives under all circumstances. Perhaps it remains naive, but its what I strive for.


Wally, we don't have enough people like you.


There have to be 3 or 4 like me, at least.

StevenT2's photo
Tue 11/09/10 07:16 PM
The only true justice is achieved by God. We can only send people to meet the Judge a bit sooner.

As far as crime goes, if punishments were more strict for the more minor crimes, it would leave room in the prisons for the more serious criminals, because people would commit the lesser crimes far less often because of those harsher punishments.

For the more hanus offenses, those in which will require the most harsh punishment, I say we give the prisoners a choice. First choice is execution. Second choice is living in a small cell with a toilet, a sink, and a bed. For good behavior, maybe those prisoners can earn the privelage of reading books.

Either choice, the burden on taxpayers and the threat to the future of America is lessened.


metalwing's photo
Tue 11/09/10 07:26 PM
Main article: Pedophilia

The term "pedophilia" refers to persistent feelings of attraction in an adult or older adolescent toward prepubescent children, whether the attraction is acted upon or not.[111][112][113] A person with this attraction is called a "pedophile".[114]

According to the Mayo Clinic, approximately 95% of incidents of sexual abuse of children age 12 and younger are committed by offenders who meet the diagnostic criteria for pedophilia;[15] and that such persons make up 65% of child molestation offenders.[15] Pedophilic child molesters commit ten times more sexual acts against children than non-pedophilic child molesters.[15]

In law enforcement, the term "pedophile" is generally used to describe those accused or convicted of child sexual abuse under sociolegal definitions of child (including both prepubescent children and adolescents younger than the local age of consent);[16] however, not all child sexual offenders are pedophiles and not all pedophiles engage in sexual abuse of children.[17][115][116] Law enforcement and legal professionals have begun to use the term predatory pedophile,[117] a phrase coined by children's attorney Andrew Vachss, to refer specifically to pedophiles who engage in sexual activity with minors.[118] The term emphasizes that child sexual abuse consists of conduct chosen by the perpetrator.[119]

Main article: Laws regarding child sexual abuse

Child sexual abuse is outlawed nearly everywhere in the world, generally with severe criminal penalties, including in some jurisdictions, life imprisonment or capital punishment.[159][160] An adult's sexual intercourse with a child below the legal age of consent is defined as statutory rape,[161] based on the principle that a child is not capable of consent and that any apparent consent by a child is not considered to be legal consent.

The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC) is an international treaty that legally obliges states to protect children's rights. Articles 34 and 35 of the CRC require states to protect children from all forms of sexual exploitation and sexual abuse. This includes outlawing the coercion of a child to perform sexual activity, the prostitution of children, and the exploitation of children in creating pornography. States are also required to prevent the abduction, sale, or trafficking of children.[162] As of November 2008, 193 countries are bound by the CRC,[163] including every member of the United Nations except the United States and Somalia.[164][165]

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