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Does being 'born again' require some human ritual or can any person simply declare they are 'born again'? it requires Baptism ....which presents a problem for those Christians that haven't been baptisted or don't go to Church ..this is why Catholicism is the true form of Christianity Baptism is not a "ritual". That is done willingly to show that you have turned your life over to God. It is an action to show your faith to the lord. As everyone knows actions speak louder then words. There are no "rituals" in Christianity. We don't sacrifice animals, we don't do anything along the lines of "rituals". It is merely a choice one has taken to show the father he has laid down his own life and is picking up the life of the lord. That is what the baptism symbolises. It symbolises death and burial *the dunking of one under the water* and then when you are brought back up out of the water that symbolises the resurrection. Either you are just wrong or you're just lying. Christianity is FILLED with rituals. Designed to reinforce the belief system and to keep people from thinking too hard. He's neither wrong, nor lying. He simply makes up his own version of Christianity. He treats it as though it's Wicca. 
I call it "Cowboyianity" 
He writes his own Book of Shadows and pretends the Bible can be used to support it. 
This is the foundation of Protestantism. (i.e. Protesting-ism) This is the stuff that Paper Popes are made of. 
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Does being 'born again' require some human ritual or can any person simply declare they are 'born again'? it requires Baptism ....which presents a problem for those Christians that haven't been baptisted or don't go to Church ..this is why Catholicism is the true form of Christianity Baptism is not a "ritual". That is done willingly to show that you have turned your life over to God. It is an action to show your faith to the lord. As everyone knows actions speak louder then words. There are no "rituals" in Christianity. We don't sacrifice animals, we don't do anything along the lines of "rituals". It is merely a choice one has taken to show the father he has laid down his own life and is picking up the life of the lord. That is what the baptism symbolises. It symbolises death and burial *the dunking of one under the water* and then when you are brought back up out of the water that symbolises the resurrection. Either you are just wrong or you're just lying. Christianity is FILLED with rituals. Designed to reinforce the belief system and to keep people from thinking too hard. He's neither wrong, nor lying. He simply makes up his own version of Christianity. He treats it as though it's Wicca.
I call it "Cowboyianity"
He writes his own Book of Shadows and pretends the Bible can be used to support it.
This is the foundation of Protestantism. (i.e. Protesting-ism) This is the stuff that Paper Popes are made of.
Ok then, obviousely i'm not in the loop. What "rituals" do Christians do? |
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All that might make you feel better, but it's superstious drivel. A fantasy. A dream. It's not reality. And what makes you think know what reality is, pray tell? My cats tell me...No wait, that's not right, hold on a sec, lemme get back to you on that...
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Does being 'born again' require some human ritual or can any person simply declare they are 'born again'? it requires Baptism ....which presents a problem for those Christians that haven't been baptisted or don't go to Church ..this is why Catholicism is the true form of Christianity Baptism is not a "ritual". That is done willingly to show that you have turned your life over to God. It is an action to show your faith to the lord. As everyone knows actions speak louder then words. There are no "rituals" in Christianity. We don't sacrifice animals, we don't do anything along the lines of "rituals". It is merely a choice one has taken to show the father he has laid down his own life and is picking up the life of the lord. That is what the baptism symbolises. It symbolises death and burial *the dunking of one under the water* and then when you are brought back up out of the water that symbolises the resurrection. Either you are just wrong or you're just lying. Christianity is FILLED with rituals. Designed to reinforce the belief system and to keep people from thinking too hard. He's neither wrong, nor lying. He simply makes up his own version of Christianity. He treats it as though it's Wicca.
I call it "Cowboyianity"
He writes his own Book of Shadows and pretends the Bible can be used to support it.
This is the foundation of Protestantism. (i.e. Protesting-ism) This is the stuff that Paper Popes are made of.
nope (Cowboyianity) aka (cowboy 1) lies about what's in the bible...if you notice (Cowboy 2) tells a deceptive truth about the bible and (Cowboy 3)tries to apologize for the other two Cowboys and then is forced to tell the truth about what's actually in the bible I'm not sure why (Cowboy 3) does nothing to stop (Cowboy 1 and 2) from posting false testimony |
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Does being 'born again' require some human ritual or can any person simply declare they are 'born again'? it requires Baptism ....which presents a problem for those Christians that haven't been baptisted or don't go to Church ..this is why Catholicism is the true form of Christianity Baptism is not a "ritual". That is done willingly to show that you have turned your life over to God. It is an action to show your faith to the lord. As everyone knows actions speak louder then words. There are no "rituals" in Christianity. We don't sacrifice animals, we don't do anything along the lines of "rituals". It is merely a choice one has taken to show the father he has laid down his own life and is picking up the life of the lord. That is what the baptism symbolises. It symbolises death and burial *the dunking of one under the water* and then when you are brought back up out of the water that symbolises the resurrection. Either you are just wrong or you're just lying. Christianity is FILLED with rituals. Designed to reinforce the belief system and to keep people from thinking too hard. He's neither wrong, nor lying. He simply makes up his own version of Christianity. He treats it as though it's Wicca.
I call it "Cowboyianity"
He writes his own Book of Shadows and pretends the Bible can be used to support it.
This is the foundation of Protestantism. (i.e. Protesting-ism) This is the stuff that Paper Popes are made of.
Ok then, obviousely i'm not in the loop. What "rituals" do Christians do? Pray every day. Go to church every Sunday. Pray before eating. Reciting speeches before getting married. ect ect ect...jeeze, there are so many to choose from. Also, they vary from brand of christianity to brand. I'm guessing you've never actually been to church before... |
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All that might make you feel better, but it's superstious drivel. A fantasy. A dream. It's not reality. And what makes you think know what reality is, pray tell? My cats tell me...No wait, that's not right, hold on a sec, lemme get back to you on that...
Take your time. No rush. 
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Does being 'born again' require some human ritual or can any person simply declare they are 'born again'? it requires Baptism ....which presents a problem for those Christians that haven't been baptisted or don't go to Church ..this is why Catholicism is the true form of Christianity Baptism is not a "ritual". That is done willingly to show that you have turned your life over to God. It is an action to show your faith to the lord. As everyone knows actions speak louder then words. There are no "rituals" in Christianity. We don't sacrifice animals, we don't do anything along the lines of "rituals". It is merely a choice one has taken to show the father he has laid down his own life and is picking up the life of the lord. That is what the baptism symbolises. It symbolises death and burial *the dunking of one under the water* and then when you are brought back up out of the water that symbolises the resurrection. Either you are just wrong or you're just lying. Christianity is FILLED with rituals. Designed to reinforce the belief system and to keep people from thinking too hard. He's neither wrong, nor lying. He simply makes up his own version of Christianity. He treats it as though it's Wicca.
I call it "Cowboyianity"
He writes his own Book of Shadows and pretends the Bible can be used to support it.
This is the foundation of Protestantism. (i.e. Protesting-ism) This is the stuff that Paper Popes are made of.
Ok then, obviousely i'm not in the loop. What "rituals" do Christians do? Cowboy are you referring to the christians that go to church or the christians that don't go to church because what do christians have to do when they get baptized ...do they go to the store and buy a debit credit card that states they are baptized and the church takes tithes from the credit card or do they have to go to a person of the cloth to go through a baptism ritual |
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Pray every day. Go to church every Sunday. Pray before eating. Reciting speeches before getting married. ect ect ect...jeeze, there are so many to choose from. Also, they vary from brand of christianity to brand. I'm guessing you've never actually been to church before... Most Paper Popes don't attend church services. They don't like to be preached to.
They prefer to do the interpreting and explaining.
They are "God's Servants" and they aren't about to cower down to listening to mere mortals views on religion. They have a direct 1-900 line to God Himself! |
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Does being 'born again' require some human ritual or can any person simply declare they are 'born again'? it requires Baptism ....which presents a problem for those Christians that haven't been baptisted or don't go to Church ..this is why Catholicism is the true form of Christianity Baptism is not a "ritual". That is done willingly to show that you have turned your life over to God. It is an action to show your faith to the lord. As everyone knows actions speak louder then words. There are no "rituals" in Christianity. We don't sacrifice animals, we don't do anything along the lines of "rituals". It is merely a choice one has taken to show the father he has laid down his own life and is picking up the life of the lord. That is what the baptism symbolises. It symbolises death and burial *the dunking of one under the water* and then when you are brought back up out of the water that symbolises the resurrection. Either you are just wrong or you're just lying. Christianity is FILLED with rituals. Designed to reinforce the belief system and to keep people from thinking too hard. He's neither wrong, nor lying. He simply makes up his own version of Christianity. He treats it as though it's Wicca.
I call it "Cowboyianity"
He writes his own Book of Shadows and pretends the Bible can be used to support it.
This is the foundation of Protestantism. (i.e. Protesting-ism) This is the stuff that Paper Popes are made of.
Ok then, obviousely i'm not in the loop. What "rituals" do Christians do? Cowboy are you referring to the christians that go to church or the christians that don't go to church because what do christians have to do when they get baptized ...do they go to the store and buy a debit credit card that states they are baptized and the church takes tithes from the credit card or do they have to go to a person of the cloth to go through a baptism ritual Baptism isn't a ritual. It's an action done by choice. It's not necessarily required. It's an action chosen to be done by oneself to show to the lord the sincerity in ones heart for the lord. |
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Does being 'born again' require some human ritual or can any person simply declare they are 'born again'? it requires Baptism ....which presents a problem for those Christians that haven't been baptisted or don't go to Church ..this is why Catholicism is the true form of Christianity Baptism is not a "ritual". That is done willingly to show that you have turned your life over to God. It is an action to show your faith to the lord. As everyone knows actions speak louder then words. There are no "rituals" in Christianity. We don't sacrifice animals, we don't do anything along the lines of "rituals". It is merely a choice one has taken to show the father he has laid down his own life and is picking up the life of the lord. That is what the baptism symbolises. It symbolises death and burial *the dunking of one under the water* and then when you are brought back up out of the water that symbolises the resurrection. Either you are just wrong or you're just lying. Christianity is FILLED with rituals. Designed to reinforce the belief system and to keep people from thinking too hard. He's neither wrong, nor lying. He simply makes up his own version of Christianity. He treats it as though it's Wicca.
I call it "Cowboyianity"
He writes his own Book of Shadows and pretends the Bible can be used to support it.
This is the foundation of Protestantism. (i.e. Protesting-ism) This is the stuff that Paper Popes are made of.
Ok then, obviousely i'm not in the loop. What "rituals" do Christians do? Pray every day. Go to church every Sunday. Pray before eating. Reciting speeches before getting married. ect ect ect...jeeze, there are so many to choose from. Also, they vary from brand of christianity to brand. I'm guessing you've never actually been to church before... Going to church isn't a ritual, nor is it required. Yes we are told to keep the Sabath holy, but that does not mean that we have to go to church to do that. Marriage again not a ritual. Do you not get married as well? Marriage is a joining of two people for eternity, it's not a "ritual". |
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Baptism isn't a ritual. It's an action done by choice. It's not necessarily required. It's an action chosen to be done by oneself to show to the lord the sincerity in ones heart for the lord. according to the bible christians are required to be Baptized Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Cowboy....go to church and get baptiized or you can't get into Heaven ...try to do it this Sunday...wear a suit and bring tithes |
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Baptism isn't a ritual. It's an action done by choice. It's not necessarily required. It's an action chosen to be done by oneself to show to the lord the sincerity in ones heart for the lord. according to the bible christians are required to be Baptized Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Cowboy....go to church and get baptiized or you can't get into Heaven ...try to do it this Sunday...wear a suit and bring tithes Yes, but if one never gets the chance to get baptized, it's not going to be held against them. Again, baptism is a showing to the lord that you have truly accepted him as lord and saviour. It's more then just words. Notice how it's even said 1. Repent 2. Get baptised. Scenario: You're on a plane talking with someone and or just reading the bible by yourself. If you find God right there and then and the plane crashes, not having been baptised will not be held against you. For judgement will be judgement of our actions that we took in life, if he never had the chance to take the action of being baptise how could it be held against him? It can't be. |
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Baptism isn't a ritual. It's an action done by choice. It's not necessarily required. It's an action chosen to be done by oneself to show to the lord the sincerity in ones heart for the lord. according to the bible christians are required to be Baptized Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Cowboy....go to church and get baptiized or you can't get into Heaven ...try to do it this Sunday...wear a suit and bring tithes Yes, but if one never gets the chance to get baptized, it's not going to be held against them. Again, baptism is a showing to the lord that you have truly accepted him as lord and saviour. It's more then just words. Notice how it's even said 1. Repent 2. Get baptised. Scenario: You're on a plane talking with someone and or just reading the bible by yourself. If you find God right there and then and the plane crashes, not having been baptised will not be held against you. For judgement will be judgement of our actions that we took in life, if he never had the chance to take the action of being baptise how could it be held against him? It can't be. (Cowboy 1)... the bible clearly states that "everyone" must be baptiized to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost ....why do you insist on giving false testimony |
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Baptism isn't a ritual. It's an action done by choice. It's not necessarily required. It's an action chosen to be done by oneself to show to the lord the sincerity in ones heart for the lord. according to the bible christians are required to be Baptized Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Cowboy....go to church and get baptiized or you can't get into Heaven ...try to do it this Sunday...wear a suit and bring tithes Yes, but if one never gets the chance to get baptized, it's not going to be held against them. Again, baptism is a showing to the lord that you have truly accepted him as lord and saviour. It's more then just words. Notice how it's even said 1. Repent 2. Get baptised. Scenario: You're on a plane talking with someone and or just reading the bible by yourself. If you find God right there and then and the plane crashes, not having been baptised will not be held against you. For judgement will be judgement of our actions that we took in life, if he never had the chance to take the action of being baptise how could it be held against him? It can't be. (Cowboy 1)... the bible clearly states that "everyone" must be baptiized to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost ....why do you insist on giving false testimony No false testimony. We will be judged on the actions we took in life or didn't take. If one never has the chance to be baptised then it could not be held against them, for there would be no judgement to make there. Another Scenerio: Someone is a slave their entire life, never even hears of the word of God. That person could not be held accountable for turning away from the lord for they never knew of the lord to have turned away from. |
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No false testimony. We will be judged on the actions we took in life or didn't take. If one never has the chance to be baptised then it could not be held against them, for there would be no judgement to make there. Another Scenerio: Someone is a slave their entire life, never even hears of the word of God. That person could not be held accountable for turning away from the lord for they never knew of the lord to have turned away from. Hearing the Hebrew folklore and not believing that it is the "Word of God" does not constitute "turning away from God" any more than not believing in the tales of Zeus equates to "turning away from God". That is the LIE that Christians continually tell. To not believe something, is not at all the same as 'rejecting' what it claims to be about. |
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Baptism isn't a ritual. It's an action done by choice. It's not necessarily required. It's an action chosen to be done by oneself to show to the lord the sincerity in ones heart for the lord. according to the bible christians are required to be Baptized Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Cowboy....go to church and get baptiized or you can't get into Heaven ...try to do it this Sunday...wear a suit and bring tithes Yes, but if one never gets the chance to get baptized, it's not going to be held against them. Again, baptism is a showing to the lord that you have truly accepted him as lord and saviour. It's more then just words. Notice how it's even said 1. Repent 2. Get baptised. Scenario: You're on a plane talking with someone and or just reading the bible by yourself. If you find God right there and then and the plane crashes, not having been baptised will not be held against you. For judgement will be judgement of our actions that we took in life, if he never had the chance to take the action of being baptise how could it be held against him? It can't be. (Cowboy 1)... the bible clearly states that "everyone" must be baptiized to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost ....why do you insist on giving false testimony No false testimony. We will be judged on the actions we took in life or didn't take. If one never has the chance to be baptised then it could not be held against them, for there would be no judgement to make there. Another Scenerio: Someone is a slave their entire life, never even hears of the word of God. That person could not be held accountable for turning away from the lord for they never knew of the lord to have turned away from. wow...so this would mean that Jesus is not the only way to God |
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The next time I am born I hope to be taller and have more hair.
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Does being 'born again' require some human ritual or can any person simply declare they are 'born again'? it requires Baptism ....which presents a problem for those Christians that haven't been baptisted or don't go to Church ..this is why Catholicism is the true form of Christianity Baptism is not a "ritual". That is done willingly to show that you have turned your life over to God. It is an action to show your faith to the lord. As everyone knows actions speak louder then words. There are no "rituals" in Christianity. We don't sacrifice animals, we don't do anything along the lines of "rituals". It is merely a choice one has taken to show the father he has laid down his own life and is picking up the life of the lord. That is what the baptism symbolises. It symbolises death and burial *the dunking of one under the water* and then when you are brought back up out of the water that symbolises the resurrection. 'you must accept jesus as christ' - Ritual. 'you must accept Jesus as your lord' - Ritual. in some instances of 'christianity' one must also accept that Jesus IS god. - again RITUAL. In the Catholic 'instance' of christianity ritual abounds. There are apparently rituals for just about every facet of worship. |
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CowboyGH
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Wed 11/03/10 07:55 PM
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Does being 'born again' require some human ritual or can any person simply declare they are 'born again'? it requires Baptism ....which presents a problem for those Christians that haven't been baptisted or don't go to Church ..this is why Catholicism is the true form of Christianity Baptism is not a "ritual". That is done willingly to show that you have turned your life over to God. It is an action to show your faith to the lord. As everyone knows actions speak louder then words. There are no "rituals" in Christianity. We don't sacrifice animals, we don't do anything along the lines of "rituals". It is merely a choice one has taken to show the father he has laid down his own life and is picking up the life of the lord. That is what the baptism symbolises. It symbolises death and burial *the dunking of one under the water* and then when you are brought back up out of the water that symbolises the resurrection. 'you must accept jesus as christ' - Ritual. 'you must accept Jesus as your lord' - Ritual. in some instances of 'christianity' one must also accept that Jesus IS god. - again RITUAL. In the Catholic 'instance' of christianity ritual abounds. There are apparently rituals for just about every facet of worship. Reason we must accept Jesus as lord and saviour is because he's the one that will forgive us of our sins through the ultimate sacrifice he made for us. He is the way to the father. He's always been. Jesus was the word of God, the laws set out before us. The word was then made flesh, thus Jesus. So if people followed the word before it became flesh they would achieve eternal life and the paradise of heaven. Then the word was made flesh now for us, so on the same not if we follow what Jesus has said "what the word says" we will achieve eternal life and the paradise of heaven. So again, no rituals. |
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Reason we must accept Jesus as lord and saviour is because he's the one that will forgive us of our sins through the ultimate sacrifice he made for us. the reason we must accept? ....well that ends that "Free Will" theory |
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