LOL cute

"The problem with the race thing is that they're are a lot of white people who will turn against they're own race "

This tells me all I need to know. Yet another Stormfront talking point.

What's sad is that so many people think they have the "right" to speak out on topics that they have no real experience in. If your foot hurts you don't go to a dentist, you go to a podiatrist.
If you have never met a crack head or lived in extreme poverty and witnessed the racism that is encouraged in people at a very young age you would fully understand the issues and be able to see a way to find a solution. Just like a researcher must prove his theory and the detective must investigate before he can arrest someone. Politics is one of those weird events that does not require any real knowledge on the community, yet it has the most profound effect on the community. If you feel that I don't know what I am talking about that's because you are arrogant.You litterally know nothing about me yet you think you have the ability to judge my life story. To assume that I had a leg up based on the fact that I am white.
You must not know the rules of social services. Minority's get more help in case you didn't know LOL. A LOT more! Being poor and white is the worst because even the upper class white people shun you as "lower class" and all the minority's hate you too because you are white! If you had lived my life you would know how absurd it is for you to even let the words fall from your mouth.It only goes to show your blind arrogance and it's sickening to be honest.Especially knowing what I went through to have yet another white person try to judge me. LOL I will not tell you my life story in detail because not only do you not care and wont read it, it still won't matter because you are incapable of admitting when you are wrong. All you do is change the subject LOL. I have the life experience to actually be considered an expert on "urban" living conditions in society.You could make a really good movie just out of the last 27 years of my life! And I promise it would be a ****ing bad *** movie! LOL Full of pain, action and suspense. If you only had one clue LOL. Please don't mistake my CONFIDENCE as arrogance as this is not the case. If you ever get the chance to meet me you will find me to be a very nice and caring person. I have high morals and I live to treat others how I would like to be treated. I am a very blunt person and that tends to rub people the wrong way but I am used to it now.

You deny that it happens?

Read this study, this is what I am talking about. I have witnessed this my entire life. White people tend to be scared of black people for some reason. It makes how we speak to them and view ANYTHING having to do with them. Although this study only covers how comfortable white people are around blacks when it comes to the topic of race.

http://www.science20.com/news_releases/white_people_avoid_race_topics_study

White people, even children as young as 10, avoid talking about race because any opinion may appear prejudiced, according to new research, but that approach often backfires as blacks tend to view that approach as evidence of prejudice, especially when race is clearly relevant.

These results are from two separate sets of experiments led by researchers from Tufts University and Harvard Business School. Their findings are reported in the October issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology(1) and the September issue of Developmental Psychology(2).

“Efforts to talk about race are fraught with the potential for misunderstandings,” said the studies’ lead author, Evan Apfelbaum, a PhD candidate at Tufts University. “One way that whites try to appear unbiased is to avoid talking about race altogether, a tendency we refer to as strategic colorblindness.”

In one study, 101 white undergraduate students were paired with either a white or black female partner who pretended to be another participant. The pairs were presented with 30 photographs of faces that varied in race, gender and background color. Each white participant’s objective was to guess which of the photographs the partner was holding by asking as few yes-or-no questions as possible.

Even though asking about the race of the person in the photograph was a sound strategy for completing the task, white participants were far less likely to do so with a black versus a white partner. Moreover, when the black partner was the first one to have a turn asking questions, whether she mentioned race had a dramatic effect. White participants whose black partner asked about race mentioned race on their own turn 95 percent of the time. When the black partner never asked about race, white participants only did so 10 percent of the time.

“There was clear evidence the white participants’ behavior was influenced by the precedent set by their partner, but especially when that partner was black,” said Samuel Sommers, assistant professor at Tufts and co-author of both papers. “Whites are strategically avoiding the topic of race because they’re worried that they’ll look bad if they admit they notice it in other people.”

The researchers also wanted to see how outsiders interpreted such interactions. In another experiment, 74 black and white college students evaluated videos of whites engaging in the photo task. The results showed that whites’ effort to appear colorblind backfired. Black observers rated whites’ avoidance of asking about race as being evidence of prejudice. What’s more, when the researchers showed silent video clips of whites from the study to another group of individuals, those whites who avoided asking about race were judged as less friendly, just on the basis of their nonverbal behavior.

“The findings suggest that when race is clearly relevant, whites who think that it is a wise social strategy to avoid talking about race should think again,” said Apfelbaum.

Even children appear to adopt this strategically colorblind approach. In another set of experiments, 101 white children between the ages of 8 and 11 were asked to perform a similar photo task. The children were told that asking as few yes-or-no questions as possible would mean they would get a higher score on the task.

The results showed that the older children, ages 10 and 11, avoided asking about race more than the younger children, even though this led them to perform less efficiently than their younger counterparts on the task. In a control version where all the faces in the photos were white, the older children outperformed the younger children, as expected. “This result is fascinating because it shows that children as young as 10 feel the need to try to avoid appearing prejudiced, even if doing so leads them to perform poorly on a basic cognitive test,” said Kristin Pauker, a PhD candidate at Tufts and co-author of this study.

The authors associated with both studies said their findings offer several important implications. “Our findings don’t suggest that individuals who avoid talking about race are racists,” Apfelbaum explained. “On the contrary, most are well-intentioned people who earnestly believe that colorblindness is the culturally sensitive way to interact. But, as we’ve shown, bending over backward to avoid even mentioning race sometimes creates more interpersonal problems than it solves.”

Here is another study about how we are scared of black people. When you are afraid of something most people's response much like a dog would do, is to attempt to gain their affection by protecting them or doing things to please them and being agreeable. It's just instinct at it's best. Now a provocative new study from Northwestern University suggests that whites who are particularly worried about appearing racist seem to suffer from anxiety that instinctively may cause them to avoid interaction with blacks in the first place.

“The Threat of Appearing Prejudiced and Race-based Attentional Biases,” by Jennifer A. Richeson, associate professor of psychology and African-American studies and faculty fellow at the Institute for Policy Research (IPR) at Northwestern, and Sophie Trawalter, post-doctoral fellow, IPR, recently appeared in the journal Psychological Science.

Study participants indicated that they worry about inadvertently getting in trouble for somehow seeming biased. As a result, the study suggests, they behaved in a way that research shows people respond when faced with stimuli that cause them to feel threatened or anxious: they instinctively look at what is making them feel nervous and then ignore it.

In this case, study participants, 15 white college students, indicated that they were motivated to respond in non-prejudiced ways toward blacks primarily for appearance’s sake because of concern about social disapproval -- rather than because of their internal values.

They then took a standard psychological test that measures attention patterns related to anxiety provoking or threatening stimuli. The white students initially focused on images of black faces with neutral expressions, relative to white faces with similar expressions, and then quickly disengaged and paid greater attention to the white faces.

Participants who were selected for the study first had to complete a Motivation to Respond Without Prejudice Scale. Those who were selected had scores that indicated that they were externally, rather than internally, motivated to not appear racially biased. On a one-to-nine scale, they rated their agreement with statements that included: “Because of today’s politically correct standards, I try to appear non-prejudiced toward black people.”

They then participated in a computer test that featured in all the trials a black face and a white face, with either similar neutral expressions or similar happy expressions. Theoretically, they shouldn’t have paid attention to either of the two faces, one black and one white, appearing on either side of the computer screen, because they were told to keep their attention fixated on a cross in the middle of the screen. But, as expected, they inevitably turned their attention to the faces. Because everything happened so fast, however, they weren’t aware that they had paid different amounts of attention to black faces, compared to the white faces.

When a dot appeared on the computer screen where one of the faces had previously appeared, they had to quickly say whether it appeared on the right or the left side of the fixation point. Finding the dot the fastest was an indication that attention had been directed to the face that had just disappeared from the position where the dot was displayed.

For the shorter trials (30 milliseconds) with the neutral faces, study participants tended to find the dot quickly when it was located behind the black face, which tended to be the initial focus of attention.

During the slightly longer trials (450 milliseconds), however, the dot-probe test indicated that they tended to quickly turn their attention away from the neutral black face to the white face with the same expression.

“Think of it as initially turning your attention to something that poses a threat or causes anxiety and then ignoring it because you don’t want to deal with it,” said Richeson. “These low-level psychological processes happen dynamically, and our tests indicate that people probably avoided the neutral black faces because they provoke anxiety, not necessarily because of racial animus.”

Patterns of attentional biases were eliminated when the faces were smiling. Well-established clinical and cognitive psychology research shows that people process expressions of emotion quickly, and presumably black male faces with smiling expressions did not seem threatening or provoke anxiety.

The article cites a similar study that tested how children with chronic pain responded to pain-relevant words. In short trials, they tended to look at the pain-relevant words, and in the longer trials they avoided them.

Richeson’s study draws from a body of such clinical psychology research on threat and attention. Basically, that research shows that people who have anxiety about various stimuli in everyday life tend to ignore what is stressing them out, unlike people with clinical anxiety, who tend to fixate on what triggers their anxiety.

Richeson stresses in every class she teaches on stereotyping and prejudice that a solution to a problem often presents another problem. Ironically, her study suggests, standards to create a diverse yet harmonious society may unwittingly be encouraging anxious responses toward blacks.

“Norms and standards to achieve diversity are a great solution to undermining racial bias,” Richeson said. “Our research suggests that we now also need to start thinking about creating opportunities to undermine anxieties about living up to those standards, to let people know they are going to be okay if they engage in interracial relationships.”

Deny what happens? That Nazi White Supremacists have been spamming threads with their vile racist speak? Then no I do not deny that happens.

the issue with many of the past posts is not bluntness, as you have called it,, it is INCONSISTENCY which comes off as if your points are unstable and unreliable

in reality, people do have the RIGHT to have opinions and voice them regardless of what their experiences are

in reality, your rxperience, however tragic it felt to you, is not the ONLY experience in which knowledge of poverty or abuse or racism or urban living can be gained

in reality, when you enter into a discussion only to exert your own experience and totally close your mind to that of anyone else under some pretense that your an 'expert' that noone should talk to unless they agree with you, it comes across as immature more than blunt

in reality, what one experiences in any one region of the country or the world is not necessarily a reflection of the truly bigger picture


I have been alive forty years, I have lived in five different states, I have lived in urban areas and in middle class and upper class areas, I have plenty of EXPERIENCES too,, but what I have found is that as my experiences have become more diverse my knowlege has become more RELEVANT and justifiably more ACCURATE because I can compare situations and see where they duplicate and where they differ


I am sorry for your experiences, I am sure you are not alone in them, but its no excuse to claim politeness and bluntness in one sentence and then tell people in a public forum to shut up in another

a female who is sexually abused all her life has far too much knowledge about ABUSE but that doesnt make her an expert on men, because men in the broad sense is a different issue than the subpopulation of men who are abusers

in the posts , it seems as if there is a constant association made between your specific URBAN/group home experience and the experience of blacks,when they are actually seperate issues

I would probably have anger too with what you say you have gone through, but the problem is that anger usually clouds the truth instead of shining any light on it

I am not speaking from anger, I am speaking from a BALANCE of experiences over four decades on this earth

Msharmony...you are my hero..

I am glad the liberals have helped clean the environment. Have you seen that Hungarian Toxic Sludge mess? reminds me of america before the environmental laws. Its a tea partiers utopia no government regulation.

self proclaimed capitalists and socialists are two extremes we dont need

a community cant survive with money as its bottom line and it cant survive with out motivating people towards progress

its a midde ground that is most likely to meet standards of 'success'



I believe people should have the opportunity to work and any hard working person should be able to supply their families NEEDS (notice I did not say wants)

this means that taxes are a necessary evil, in my opinion, for individuals to contribute towards their community/country and for those monies to be a collective source to siphon out community needs


so, we have to be contributing to the whole (socialism) and we have to be working to better ourself (capitalism)

Here more proof your race targets white people. Deny those statistics. Thats the entire US!! Not just my little area!
It's not me being immature I post FACTS you DON'T! You have LOST ever single topic we debated on! I beat you with FACTS! Not my opinions LMAO!! Just because there are a lot of liberals on here backing you and talking **** doesn't mean you made a point or proved me wrong.

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/rape.htm

When whites do violence -- rape, murder, assault -- how often do they choose black victims? Shouldn't a nation of bigots target blacks most of the time? At least half of the time? Of course, it does not. When whites commit violence, they to it to blacks 2.4 percent of the time. Blacks, on the other hand, choose white victims more than half the time. [317]
In those cases in which the race of the killer is known, blacks kill twice as many whites as whites kill blacks. Black-on-white robberies and gang assaults are twenty-one times more common than white on black. In the case of gang robbery, blacks victimize whites fifty-two times more often than whites do blacks. [318]

The contrasts are even more stark in the case of interracial rape. Studies from the late 1950s showed that the vast majority of rapes were same-race offenses. Research in Philadelphia carried out in 1958 and 1960 indicated that of all rapes, only 3.2 percent were black-on-white assaults and 3.6 percent were white-on-black. Since that time, the proportion of black-on-white rapes has soared. In a 1974 study in Denver, 40 percent of all rapes were of whites by blacks, and not one case of white-on-black rape was found. In general, through the 1970s, black-on-white rape was at least ten times more common that white-on-black rape. [319]

Because interracial rape is now overwhelmingly black on white, it has become difficult to do research on it or to find relevant statistics. The FBI keeps very detailed national records on crime, but the way it presents rape data obscures the racial element rather than clarifies it. Dr. William Wilbanks, a criminologist at Florida International University, had to sift carefully through the data to find that in 1988 there were 9,406 cases of black-on-white rape and fewer than ten cases of white-on-black rape. [320] Another researcher concludes that in 1989, blacks were three or four times more likely to commit rape than whites, and that black men raped white women thirty times as often as white men raped black women. [321]

Interracial crime figures are even worse than they sound. Since there are more than six times as many whites as blacks in America, it means that any given black person is vastly more likely to commit a crime against a white than vice versa.


Notes

317. "What Should Be Done," US News & World Report (August 22, 1989), p. 54. See also Department of Justice, Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1987 (Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1989), p.7.
318. Department of Justice, Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1987.

319. Gary D. LaFree, "Male Power and Female Victimization: Toward a Theory of Interracial Rape," American Journal of Sociology, Vol. 88, No. 2 (September 1982).

320. William Wilbanks, "Frequency and Nature of Interracial Crimes," submitted for publication to the Justice Professional (November 7, 1990). Data derived from Department of Justice, Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1987, p. 53.

321. Andrew Hacker, Two Nations, pp. 183, 185.

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The previous post containing this:

"Because interracial rape is now overwhelmingly black on white, it has become difficult to do research on it or to find relevant statistics. The FBI keeps very detailed national records on crime, but the way it presents rape data obscures the racial element rather than clarifies it. Dr. William Wilbanks, a criminologist at Florida International University, had to sift carefully through the data to find that in 1988 there were 9,406 cases of black-on-white rape and fewer than ten cases of white-on-black rape. [320] Another researcher concludes that in 1989, blacks were three or four times more likely to commit rape than whites, and that black men raped white women thirty times as often as white men raped black women. [321]

Interracial crime figures are even worse than they sound. Since there are more than six times as many whites as blacks in America, it means that any given black person is vastly more likely to commit a crime against a white than vice versa."

Was found here:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t652861/

Well, after spending two hours attempting to word the perfect responce to that last post before Msharmony, I got to



and decided my time could be used constructively on algebra.

I'm glad I hit the erase button, because Msharmony created a much better post (with fewer words) - you know me, I get wordy...

Nicely done!

By the way, thanks D24 and Msharmony for wishing me luck on my test today, I think built my confidence and I'm sure I did well.

Thanks

Good research MiddleEarthling

thought that discussion had ended so we could get back on topic,,lol

you got me, you beat me(whatever that means), yay you,,,,,


last I checked, crime(violent and otherwise) is MOSTLY intra racial(not that it matters) ,

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm
and I wouldnt want people to confuse a SMALL subsection of the black population(black criminals) with black PEOPLE at large

but this is far away from the topic of socialism or capitalism,,,

Rape stats as applied to inter-racial are skewed.

White women are far more likely to report rape by a black male than black women are to report rape by a white male...

Social-ism vs Capitol-ism...

A community can survive with money as a bottom line (however those at the bottom of the pile suffer greatly so a few prosper much).

A community can not survive with only good will and 'fairness' as the bottom line. (everyone would eventually starve cause most people would take more than they give and the 'givers' would eventually run out of 'gift').

Good point.

In the 1940's in Memphis, Tennessee a black officer caught a white man raping a black woman. At that time since the officer was black he could not arrest a white man. The police captain came to the scene then drives the white man home with no charges.

This thread is just another Stormfront instructed attempt to promote their racist and hateful agendas. The "socialism" charge is aimed at the black man in the White House...nothing more.

Don't be fooled people....if we have socialism it's already here with Corporate Socialism. Look at the special interest in this election year: Big Corp is trying to buy our country outright...as if they don't already own most of it.

Screw them.