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firstly,, how is this '"The only thing that ought to matter on a loan application is whether or not you can pay it back, not where you live." Bentsen said that the proposed changes would "make it easier for lenders to show how they're complying with the Community Reinvestment Act", and "cut back a lot of the paperwork and the cost on small business loans".[36] correlate to this 'Here is your proof. Clinton made it easier for people with no money to get credit and not only that but he also made it easier for banks to operate secretly' where is the legislation clinton passed single handedly giving people with NO MONEY credit? the issue here, is that there is alot of information which can be interpreted to mean different things and there are far too many ABSOLUTE opinions expressed which fail to be proven as absolute at all... The Clinton Administration's regulatory revisions [2] with an effective starting date of January 31, 1995, were credited with substantially increasing the number and aggregate amount of loans to small businesses and to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans. Massive new provisions to CRA that forced banks to issue $1 trillion dollars in bad loans and indirectly fund the work of radical left-wing organizations."[3] Part of the increase in home loans was due to increased efficiency and the genesis of lenders, like Countrywide, that do not mitigate loan risk with savings deposits as do traditional banks using the new subprime authorization. This is known as the secondary market for mortgage loans. The revisions allowed the securitization of CRA loans containing subprime mortgages. The first public securitization of CRA loans started in 1997. [4 "Crucially, the new CRA regulations also instructed bank examiners to take into account how well banks responded to complaints. The old CRA evaluation process had allowed advocacy groups a chance to express their views on individual banks, and publicly available data on the lending patterns of individual banks allowed activist groups to target institutions considered vulnerable to protest. But for advocacy groups that were in the complaint business, the Clinton administration regulations offered a formal invitation. The National Community Reinvestment Coalition, a foundation-funded umbrella group for community activist groups that profit from the CRA, issued a clarion call to its members in a leaflet entitled 'The New CRA Regulations: How Community Groups Can Get Involved.' 'Timely comments,' the NCRC observed with a certain understatement, 'can have a strong influence on a bank's CRA rating.'" "'To avoid the possibility of a denied or delayed application,' advises the NCRC in its deadpan tone, 'lending institutions have an incentive to make formal agreements with community organizations.' By intervening, even just threatening to intervene, in the CRA review process, left-wing nonprofit groups have been able to gain control over eye-popping pools of bank capital, which they in turn parcel out to individual low-income mortgage seekers. A radical group called ACORN Housing has a $760 million commitment from the Bank of New York; the Boston-based Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America has a $3-billion agreement with the Bank of America; a coalition of groups headed by New Jersey Citizen Action has a five-year, $13-billion agreement with First Union Corporation. Similar deals operate in almost every major U.S. city. Observes Tom Callahan, executive director of the Massachusetts Affordable Housing Alliance, which has $220 million in bank mortgage money to parcel out, "CRA is the backbone of everything we do." HAHAHA! MOAR PROOF! of nothing but someones ASSESSMENT of a policy ,,,and an author linking events back to ONE PERSON, just by stating its so instead of PROVING its so.... All I hear is blah blah blah I am ignorant of the truth and I refuse to educate myself because..... A.) I have a duty to my race to always side with black people (we call this the black vote) B.) I would actually have to admit I am wrong.(probably the real reason) If I am wrong, I want you to tell me why this is not factual, and I want to know why YOU think that the recession happened. Go ahead , and don't post a link I want to know what YOU think happened and why. I am neither ignorant or refusing to educate myself, I just dont see this thread or any random choice of websites(out of the millions posted) as EDUCATIONAL material, most find those sites that back up what they already believe, most people seek out affirmation for their beliefs(psych 101) what I do see is people sharing opinions and posting other random facts and opinions which SEEM to back theirs up my responses are not about a duty to race, my responses are about being truthful and relevant I am not an economist, but if I had to take a laymans guess at what prompted this past recession it would be the wars in iraq and afghanistan, tax cuts, the collapse of the financial industry, the housing market, and the disproportionate rise in the cost of living compared to a stagnate living wage,,, Ok so when you are talking about the housing market and the financial industry, and the rise in the cost of living you are talking about things that I already showed you. I showed you how those problems came to be. The problem is that you have not given a REASON as to why the problems came to be. SOMETHING happened and CAUSED this problem. So since you disagree what's the reason? What caused it? There are many reasons and causes of poverty. Its clear, to those who recognize it, that the greatest contributor to poverty is oppression. Oppression comes from many directions and through many sources, but they seem to have common threads. There is a group, usually some sort of majority, in power and through that power a sense of privilege is derived. Social constructs are built around and for the benefit of the group in power. Eventually the group in power no longer recognizes thier own privilege, which only exists through the oppression of others. Examples: gender - as women have had to battle the oppression of their male counterparts. race - becasue genetic physical characteristics can set people up as a minorty and thus give rise to the priviledge of the majority to oppress them. There are, of course others but gender and, as another poster has indicated, "institutional racism" are the two greatest sources of oppression and thus of "White Male Privelege" within the United States. Institutional Racism - exists within the structures and practices of of our institutions, which begin with our greatest authorities, our governments. It is a fact that this is ongoing and it is a fact that it is extensive within our justice system. It is also a fact that the group who instutiionalizes racism rarely recognize the oppressive nature of their actions, because they are "privileged", meaning they are rarely ever subjects of their own oppressive actions. Therefore, if anyone 'pulls the race card' they may have a very legitimate reason for doing so and it would be wise to ask the person making the claim how they percieve racism in that particular case. But that's just useful information in case someone DOES 'pull the race card'. So tell me, since it's your opinion that Black people tend to live in congregated areas of poverty and maintain that space with an iron grip - can you explain why you think that has occurred? Actually I said that liberal control those masses with an iron grip. Not the black community themselves. Want to see why they live like that why don't you go see for yourself? I grew up with nothing but poor black people as I was a ward of the state due to my mother giving me away. I lived with young black girls who hated me just because I was white. I got beat up constantly just because I was white. They strive to be as ignorant as possible by encouraging each other to act as "black" AKA (use Ebonics and act like a gangster)as possible. If a black person doesn't talk ghetto then they are shunned from the black community and called a white man in a black mans body. When you drive to the ghetto look at the cars and the clothes. They have money!!! They don't save to get themselves out of squaller! No they spend all they're money on rims and gold chains and clothes and shoes! If you have never lived in that community than you don't know but I have and I do! **** I have been robbed at gun point twice! I have had no help but I did it myself!! I got a good job and I moved out of there and I continue to better myself. I don't ask for a ****ing hand out or blame ANYONE for the hardships in my life! I do it myself by working my *** off! I have had a shitty life since I was born and you don't see me bitching about oppression! Why because I am a survivor and a fighter not a ****ing pathetic Vitim! You are also white which automatically gives you pathways to succeed. How many 'individuals' currently have the CHOICE of with whom they will socialize? While even our own class system limits that choice for the 'priviledged' majority, it is a limitation that is more easily accomplished if you are among that 'instituitionalised' priviledged group (white). You may have suffered some oppression in your youth but your path out was your race. You do not have to wake up every day of your life and look in the mirror and wonder if the actions of others toward you today will be acts of racism. There are probably hundreds of 'institutionalized' barriers that limit the power of certain individuals to succeed, equally, accross economic and class structrurs but few of those barriers exist for the privileged groups within those structures. This is why the vast majority of white poeple can acknowledge that other live in oppressed states, but they cannot acknowledge their role in creating that oppression. |
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the op was an ASSESSMENT of certain events in history, anyone can tie events together and give their opinion of them,,, for example, I will do so now.. the idea of free market is a false premise that has never existed here in america anymore than true socialism has or will dont believe me,,need facts? pick an industry that has operated in the free market and done well for themself banking, credit cards, oil, insurance, drugs they all make the most profit SCREWING over the common man for another buck when people are only valued by a dollar sign, its not going to work for too long,,,not that anything will when you have a large number of human beings involved here is an article with some isolated FACTS surrounded in opinion, I just dont wish to post a whole book http://tabacco.blog-city.com/why_capitalism_does_not_work_4u_pits_big_biz_against_middle.htm Actually no, you obviously didn't dead the post. Typical. If you had read the post you would know EXACTLY what point you would need to debate. If you are too lazy to read the ENTIRE post I am not going to help you by telling you what you are missing. READ, EDUCATE YOURSELF! oh, I read it (especially nice are the little references to 'race') and I still have enough reading comprehension to recognize facts from opinions,,, LOL OOOH THE RACE CARD WHAT A SURPRISE!!! A black woman is the first one to pull the race card!! LMAO!!! Let me let you in on a little secret. I grew up in the ghetto in girls homes with nothing but black women. BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE MOST RACIST PEOPLE ON THE ****ING PLANET. As you just PROVED , you guys are the first one's to pull the ****ing race card. Get over yourself I have no patience for that pathetic argument. That **** makes me so angry I could spit! You people get EVERYTHING HANDED TO YOU! You were NOT a slave so you will get NO pity from me! Especial when YOU get more help to make it in this country than I DO!!!!! really? really?!! did you read your own OP....lol lol I will quote the section I referred to( a reference not a 'card') ''First: Consider the black inner cities of America – New York, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, etc. -- that include tens of millions of citizens. Who controls these areas with an iron grip? The Democrat party does, that’s who. Why is the unemployment rate, dependence on food stamps and other government handouts, the poverty rate and the murder rate always much higher in these areas than elsewhere in the nation? '' race card,,,haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa so it comes out,, the 'you people' defense lol, ,please continue condescending,, I and 'my people' progress in SPITE of racism not because racism is gone,,, Hmmm so because he stated statistical FACTS, you are calling him a racist? LMAO!! So am I a racist if I say that black people have commit more crimes and fill up more of our prisons and jails? Would that be racist of the truth? You seem to get the two confused. See you don't disagree it just ticks you off that it's true . So you pull the RACE CARD to try to ***** and moan and cry because you don't like the truth. Yea you and "your people" are the reason racism exsist. It's because you are always whining about the "white man keeping you down" Yet the WHITE MAN gives your people so much that he COMPLETELY BANKRUPTED THE COUNTRY!! And all you can do is complain and ***** and moan. Well **** that ****! Get the **** out of this country then, if it's so bad for you and "your people" Go back to Africa where YOUR OWN BLACK ANCESTORS SOLD YOUR OWN PEOPLE TO THE WHITE PEOPLE!! If you want someone to blame go ***** at the Africans who enslaved your people int the first place!!!!! who did I call racist exactly? not sure who you are referring to,,,, If you say black people 'have commit more crimes and fill up more of our prisons and jails ' I would most likely consider you misinformed instead of racist UNLESS you were making the statement in a context to imply some inherent criminality amongst black people,,, the truth is just fine with me, but opinions are a dime a dozen and truthful FACTS are a different issue which rarely come up in these threads,, and my 'family' have been in the US of A for several generations,probably more than plenty of 'your' people so I will 'go back' to Africa, as soon as they go back to wherever the Mayflower brought them from, better yet, lets not go into the whole my people and your people smokescreen,, lets stick to the debating and stop making it personal,,,, for now, I am an american with just as much right to an opinion as anyone else even if it means I dont blindly agree with whatever Im told or allow others to bully me with opinions that they deem to be 'truly' worthy of my residence here Blacks do commit more crimes. LOL I won't waste my time with facts because you stare facts in the face and say they just ain't so. Most black people even know that's true. LOL uhhuh, quite literally, black people are CONVICTED of more 'violent' crimes, relatively speaking this is different than actually COMMITTING more crimes ( I wouldnt be able to say what 'race' holds that honor) http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp I didn't read the link, I don't have to. But does it also show how black people are sententanced, by the courts, by maximum penalties and that more black people recieve the death sentance for crimes against whites, that whites who commit the same crime against a black person? Those are facts too, and don't require a lot of research to prove. Why not? If they are more likely to commit crimes and even more likely to repeat the offence why bother letting them out to hurt more people? They knew what they were getting into when they made the choice to commit the crimes in the first place. I like how you refuse to read an actual study and choose to debate me anyway. How about this, I am not going to waste my time debating with you until you do read it  That way you are not wasting my time with blind accusations and denial. Well if you want to discusse some point in the actual article, present it, and I will read the article. |
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http://www.peace.ca/truthaboutblackcrime.htm The National Institute of Drug Abuse estimated that while 12 percent of drug users are black, they make up nearly 50 percent of all drug possession arrests in the U.S. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) According to the National Drug Strategy Network, although African Americans make up less than one-third of the population in Georgia, the black arrest rate for drugs is five times greater than the white arrest rate. In addition, since 1990, African Americans have accounted for more than 75% of persons incarcerated for drug offenses in Georgia and make up 97.7% of the people in that state who are given life sentences for drug offenses. In six California counties independently surveyed in 1995, 100% of those individuals sent to trial on drug charges were minorities, while the drug-using population in those same counties was more than 60% white. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African American defendants. In addition, unlike convictions for powered cocaine and other drugs (which wealthy, Caucasian defendants are more likely to use), a conviction for selling crack cocaine can carry a lengthy prison term without benefit of parole. ------------------------------------- It's also said, in general, that blue collar crimes, such as burglary are done by blacks and other races, and prosecuted heavily. White collar crime is mostly by whites, and not prosecuted nearly as heavily. As far as lambasting Clinton for any perceived problems, Republicans owned both sides, so you can't blame Clinton for signing what those bastions of Republican conservatism put in to effect. They wanted it and he went with it. Yes, those are the kind of statistics that law enforcement uses to back up the need to continue racial profiling. What the statistics leave out are various aspects of interest, like what kind of drugs are these arrests for, and how have the laws changed with regard to the drugs. And other findings of surveys that indicate members of the white community who are also arrested on drug charges, never face prosecution. A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African The Anti=Drug Abuse Act of 1988 included mandatory sentences for low-level crack ofenses (five years). Five grams of crack led to the maximum sentence. The same pentaly was invoked for powder cocain but for a higher level of 500 grams. Here's the rub, according to the study of the Sentencing Project, 80 percent, or more, of prosecuted crack offences are African-American. But the fact is that more than two-thirds of crack users have been found to be white or Latino. (The Sentencing Project, 2006b) This law was persuent to the Len Bias case, in which a college basketball star drafted by the Boston Celtics died of an overdose in 1986. But as it turned out, Bias did not die of a crack overdose, as originally speculated, but from snorting powder cocaine, which is a more expensive opiate derivitive, most predominantly used by the white affluent population.(Geest, 1995) Institutionalised racism is alive and well within our judiciary system. |
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firstly,, how is this '"The only thing that ought to matter on a loan application is whether or not you can pay it back, not where you live." Bentsen said that the proposed changes would "make it easier for lenders to show how they're complying with the Community Reinvestment Act", and "cut back a lot of the paperwork and the cost on small business loans".[36] correlate to this 'Here is your proof. Clinton made it easier for people with no money to get credit and not only that but he also made it easier for banks to operate secretly' where is the legislation clinton passed single handedly giving people with NO MONEY credit? the issue here, is that there is alot of information which can be interpreted to mean different things and there are far too many ABSOLUTE opinions expressed which fail to be proven as absolute at all... The Clinton Administration's regulatory revisions [2] with an effective starting date of January 31, 1995, were credited with substantially increasing the number and aggregate amount of loans to small businesses and to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans. Massive new provisions to CRA that forced banks to issue $1 trillion dollars in bad loans and indirectly fund the work of radical left-wing organizations."[3] Part of the increase in home loans was due to increased efficiency and the genesis of lenders, like Countrywide, that do not mitigate loan risk with savings deposits as do traditional banks using the new subprime authorization. This is known as the secondary market for mortgage loans. The revisions allowed the securitization of CRA loans containing subprime mortgages. The first public securitization of CRA loans started in 1997. [4 "Crucially, the new CRA regulations also instructed bank examiners to take into account how well banks responded to complaints. The old CRA evaluation process had allowed advocacy groups a chance to express their views on individual banks, and publicly available data on the lending patterns of individual banks allowed activist groups to target institutions considered vulnerable to protest. But for advocacy groups that were in the complaint business, the Clinton administration regulations offered a formal invitation. The National Community Reinvestment Coalition, a foundation-funded umbrella group for community activist groups that profit from the CRA, issued a clarion call to its members in a leaflet entitled 'The New CRA Regulations: How Community Groups Can Get Involved.' 'Timely comments,' the NCRC observed with a certain understatement, 'can have a strong influence on a bank's CRA rating.'" "'To avoid the possibility of a denied or delayed application,' advises the NCRC in its deadpan tone, 'lending institutions have an incentive to make formal agreements with community organizations.' By intervening, even just threatening to intervene, in the CRA review process, left-wing nonprofit groups have been able to gain control over eye-popping pools of bank capital, which they in turn parcel out to individual low-income mortgage seekers. A radical group called ACORN Housing has a $760 million commitment from the Bank of New York; the Boston-based Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America has a $3-billion agreement with the Bank of America; a coalition of groups headed by New Jersey Citizen Action has a five-year, $13-billion agreement with First Union Corporation. Similar deals operate in almost every major U.S. city. Observes Tom Callahan, executive director of the Massachusetts Affordable Housing Alliance, which has $220 million in bank mortgage money to parcel out, "CRA is the backbone of everything we do." HAHAHA! MOAR PROOF! of nothing but someones ASSESSMENT of a policy ,,,and an author linking events back to ONE PERSON, just by stating its so instead of PROVING its so.... All I hear is blah blah blah I am ignorant of the truth and I refuse to educate myself because..... A.) I have a duty to my race to always side with black people (we call this the black vote) B.) I would actually have to admit I am wrong.(probably the real reason) If I am wrong, I want you to tell me why this is not factual, and I want to know why YOU think that the recession happened. Go ahead , and don't post a link I want to know what YOU think happened and why. I am neither ignorant or refusing to educate myself, I just dont see this thread or any random choice of websites(out of the millions posted) as EDUCATIONAL material, most find those sites that back up what they already believe, most people seek out affirmation for their beliefs(psych 101) what I do see is people sharing opinions and posting other random facts and opinions which SEEM to back theirs up my responses are not about a duty to race, my responses are about being truthful and relevant I am not an economist, but if I had to take a laymans guess at what prompted this past recession it would be the wars in iraq and afghanistan, tax cuts, the collapse of the financial industry, the housing market, and the disproportionate rise in the cost of living compared to a stagnate living wage,,, Ok so when you are talking about the housing market and the financial industry, and the rise in the cost of living you are talking about things that I already showed you. I showed you how those problems came to be. The problem is that you have not given a REASON as to why the problems came to be. SOMETHING happened and CAUSED this problem. So since you disagree what's the reason? What caused it? There are many reasons and causes of poverty. Its clear, to those who recognize it, that the greatest contributor to poverty is oppression. Oppression comes from many directions and through many sources, but they seem to have common threads. There is a group, usually some sort of majority, in power and through that power a sense of privilege is derived. Social constructs are built around and for the benefit of the group in power. Eventually the group in power no longer recognizes thier own privilege, which only exists through the oppression of others. Examples: gender - as women have had to battle the oppression of their male counterparts. race - becasue genetic physical characteristics can set people up as a minorty and thus give rise to the priviledge of the majority to oppress them. There are, of course others but gender and, as another poster has indicated, "institutional racism" are the two greatest sources of oppression and thus of "White Male Privelege" within the United States. Institutional Racism - exists within the structures and practices of of our institutions, which begin with our greatest authorities, our governments. It is a fact that this is ongoing and it is a fact that it is extensive within our justice system. It is also a fact that the group who instutiionalizes racism rarely recognize the oppressive nature of their actions, because they are "privileged", meaning they are rarely ever subjects of their own oppressive actions. Therefore, if anyone 'pulls the race card' they may have a very legitimate reason for doing so and it would be wise to ask the person making the claim how they percieve racism in that particular case. But that's just useful information in case someone DOES 'pull the race card'. So tell me, since it's your opinion that Black people tend to live in congregated areas of poverty and maintain that space with an iron grip - can you explain why you think that has occurred? Actually I said that liberal control those masses with an iron grip. Not the black community themselves. Want to see why they live like that why don't you go see for yourself? I grew up with nothing but poor black people as I was a ward of the state due to my mother giving me away. I lived with young black girls who hated me just because I was white. I got beat up constantly just because I was white. They strive to be as ignorant as possible by encouraging each other to act as "black" AKA (use Ebonics and act like a gangster)as possible. If a black person doesn't talk ghetto then they are shunned from the black community and called a white man in a black mans body. When you drive to the ghetto look at the cars and the clothes. They have money!!! They don't save to get themselves out of squaller! No they spend all they're money on rims and gold chains and clothes and shoes! If you have never lived in that community than you don't know but I have and I do! **** I have been robbed at gun point twice! I have had no help but I did it myself!! I got a good job and I moved out of there and I continue to better myself. I don't ask for a ****ing hand out or blame ANYONE for the hardships in my life! I do it myself by working my *** off! I have had a shitty life since I was born and you don't see me bitching about oppression! Why because I am a survivor and a fighter not a ****ing pathetic Vitim! You are also white which automatically gives you pathways to succeed. How many 'individuals' currently have the CHOICE of with whom they will socialize? While even our own class system limits that choice for the 'priviledged' majority, it is a limitation that is more easily accomplished if you are among that 'instituitionalised' priviledged group (white). You may have suffered some oppression in your youth but your path out was your race. You do not have to wake up every day of your life and look in the mirror and wonder if the actions of others toward you today will be acts of racism. There are probably hundreds of 'institutionalized' barriers that limit the power of certain individuals to succeed, equally, accross economic and class structrurs but few of those barriers exist for the privileged groups within those structures. This is why the vast majority of white poeple can acknowledge that other live in oppressed states, but they cannot acknowledge their role in creating that oppression. LOL wow .....I cannot argue with that. You don't know what you are talking about. It's sad really. I guess you missed the part where I worked my *** off and didn't get any help. Not even from white people. I also didn't get any help to go to school like I could have if I was black or Mexican. You are racist against your own race and it's pathetic. I will have to bite my tongue because I have lost total respect for you. |
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http://www.peace.ca/truthaboutblackcrime.htm The National Institute of Drug Abuse estimated that while 12 percent of drug users are black, they make up nearly 50 percent of all drug possession arrests in the U.S. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) According to the National Drug Strategy Network, although African Americans make up less than one-third of the population in Georgia, the black arrest rate for drugs is five times greater than the white arrest rate. In addition, since 1990, African Americans have accounted for more than 75% of persons incarcerated for drug offenses in Georgia and make up 97.7% of the people in that state who are given life sentences for drug offenses. In six California counties independently surveyed in 1995, 100% of those individuals sent to trial on drug charges were minorities, while the drug-using population in those same counties was more than 60% white. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African American defendants. In addition, unlike convictions for powered cocaine and other drugs (which wealthy, Caucasian defendants are more likely to use), a conviction for selling crack cocaine can carry a lengthy prison term without benefit of parole. ------------------------------------- It's also said, in general, that blue collar crimes, such as burglary are done by blacks and other races, and prosecuted heavily. White collar crime is mostly by whites, and not prosecuted nearly as heavily. As far as lambasting Clinton for any perceived problems, Republicans owned both sides, so you can't blame Clinton for signing what those bastions of Republican conservatism put in to effect. They wanted it and he went with it. Yes, those are the kind of statistics that law enforcement uses to back up the need to continue racial profiling. What the statistics leave out are various aspects of interest, like what kind of drugs are these arrests for, and how have the laws changed with regard to the drugs. And other findings of surveys that indicate members of the white community who are also arrested on drug charges, never face prosecution. A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African The Anti=Drug Abuse Act of 1988 included mandatory sentences for low-level crack ofenses (five years). Five grams of crack led to the maximum sentence. The same pentaly was invoked for powder cocain but for a higher level of 500 grams. Here's the rub, according to the study of the Sentencing Project, 80 percent, or more, of prosecuted crack offences are African-American. But the fact is that more than two-thirds of crack users have been found to be white or Latino. (The Sentencing Project, 2006b) This law was persuent to the Len Bias case, in which a college basketball star drafted by the Boston Celtics died of an overdose in 1986. But as it turned out, Bias did not die of a crack overdose, as originally speculated, but from snorting powder cocaine, which is a more expensive opiate derivitive, most predominantly used by the white affluent population.(Geest, 1995) Institutionalised racism is alive and well within our judiciary system. Do not say another word to me until you provide studies that prove your theory. Otherwise you are just another whining liberal that can't debate. I have a feeling you collect a disability check every month. I get that feeling from you..... |
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http://www.peace.ca/truthaboutblackcrime.htm The National Institute of Drug Abuse estimated that while 12 percent of drug users are black, they make up nearly 50 percent of all drug possession arrests in the U.S. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) According to the National Drug Strategy Network, although African Americans make up less than one-third of the population in Georgia, the black arrest rate for drugs is five times greater than the white arrest rate. In addition, since 1990, African Americans have accounted for more than 75% of persons incarcerated for drug offenses in Georgia and make up 97.7% of the people in that state who are given life sentences for drug offenses. In six California counties independently surveyed in 1995, 100% of those individuals sent to trial on drug charges were minorities, while the drug-using population in those same counties was more than 60% white. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African American defendants. In addition, unlike convictions for powered cocaine and other drugs (which wealthy, Caucasian defendants are more likely to use), a conviction for selling crack cocaine can carry a lengthy prison term without benefit of parole. ------------------------------------- It's also said, in general, that blue collar crimes, such as burglary are done by blacks and other races, and prosecuted heavily. White collar crime is mostly by whites, and not prosecuted nearly as heavily. As far as lambasting Clinton for any perceived problems, Republicans owned both sides, so you can't blame Clinton for signing what those bastions of Republican conservatism put in to effect. They wanted it and he went with it. Yes, those are the kind of statistics that law enforcement uses to back up the need to continue racial profiling. What the statistics leave out are various aspects of interest, like what kind of drugs are these arrests for, and how have the laws changed with regard to the drugs. And other findings of surveys that indicate members of the white community who are also arrested on drug charges, never face prosecution. A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African The Anti=Drug Abuse Act of 1988 included mandatory sentences for low-level crack ofenses (five years). Five grams of crack led to the maximum sentence. The same pentaly was invoked for powder cocain but for a higher level of 500 grams. Here's the rub, according to the study of the Sentencing Project, 80 percent, or more, of prosecuted crack offences are African-American. But the fact is that more than two-thirds of crack users have been found to be white or Latino. (The Sentencing Project, 2006b) This law was persuent to the Len Bias case, in which a college basketball star drafted by the Boston Celtics died of an overdose in 1986. But as it turned out, Bias did not die of a crack overdose, as originally speculated, but from snorting powder cocaine, which is a more expensive opiate derivitive, most predominantly used by the white affluent population.(Geest, 1995) Institutionalised racism is alive and well within our judiciary system. Do not say another word to me until you provide studies that prove your theory. Otherwise you are just another whining liberal that can't debate. I have a feeling you collect a disability check every month. I get that feeling from you..... I get the 'feeling' you are a very bigoted bullying type who cannot see any opinion but your own but we should probably debate the topics instead of what 'feelings' we personally have of those who post,,, I have not always agreed with Redy(or anyone else here for that matter) but she debates respectfully and logically which is more than certain others here,,, |
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http://www.peace.ca/truthaboutblackcrime.htm The National Institute of Drug Abuse estimated that while 12 percent of drug users are black, they make up nearly 50 percent of all drug possession arrests in the U.S. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) According to the National Drug Strategy Network, although African Americans make up less than one-third of the population in Georgia, the black arrest rate for drugs is five times greater than the white arrest rate. In addition, since 1990, African Americans have accounted for more than 75% of persons incarcerated for drug offenses in Georgia and make up 97.7% of the people in that state who are given life sentences for drug offenses. In six California counties independently surveyed in 1995, 100% of those individuals sent to trial on drug charges were minorities, while the drug-using population in those same counties was more than 60% white. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African American defendants. In addition, unlike convictions for powered cocaine and other drugs (which wealthy, Caucasian defendants are more likely to use), a conviction for selling crack cocaine can carry a lengthy prison term without benefit of parole. ------------------------------------- It's also said, in general, that blue collar crimes, such as burglary are done by blacks and other races, and prosecuted heavily. White collar crime is mostly by whites, and not prosecuted nearly as heavily. As far as lambasting Clinton for any perceived problems, Republicans owned both sides, so you can't blame Clinton for signing what those bastions of Republican conservatism put in to effect. They wanted it and he went with it. Yes, those are the kind of statistics that law enforcement uses to back up the need to continue racial profiling. What the statistics leave out are various aspects of interest, like what kind of drugs are these arrests for, and how have the laws changed with regard to the drugs. And other findings of surveys that indicate members of the white community who are also arrested on drug charges, never face prosecution. A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African The Anti=Drug Abuse Act of 1988 included mandatory sentences for low-level crack ofenses (five years). Five grams of crack led to the maximum sentence. The same pentaly was invoked for powder cocain but for a higher level of 500 grams. Here's the rub, according to the study of the Sentencing Project, 80 percent, or more, of prosecuted crack offences are African-American. But the fact is that more than two-thirds of crack users have been found to be white or Latino. (The Sentencing Project, 2006b) This law was persuent to the Len Bias case, in which a college basketball star drafted by the Boston Celtics died of an overdose in 1986. But as it turned out, Bias did not die of a crack overdose, as originally speculated, but from snorting powder cocaine, which is a more expensive opiate derivitive, most predominantly used by the white affluent population.(Geest, 1995) Institutionalised racism is alive and well within our judiciary system. Do not say another word to me until you provide studies that prove your theory. Otherwise you are just another whining liberal that can't debate. I have a feeling you collect a disability check every month. I get that feeling from you..... I get the 'feeling' you are a very bigoted bullying type who cannot see any opinion but your own but we should probably debate the topics instead of what 'feelings' we personally have of those who post,,, I have not always agreed with Redy(or anyone else here for that matter) but she debates respectfully and logically which is more than certain others here,,, Neither one of you is capable of debate. Both of you refuse to look at the informations posted and both of you attempt to argue the subject with nothing other than your feelings. That's why I stopped wasting my time. |
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http://www.peace.ca/truthaboutblackcrime.htm The National Institute of Drug Abuse estimated that while 12 percent of drug users are black, they make up nearly 50 percent of all drug possession arrests in the U.S. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) According to the National Drug Strategy Network, although African Americans make up less than one-third of the population in Georgia, the black arrest rate for drugs is five times greater than the white arrest rate. In addition, since 1990, African Americans have accounted for more than 75% of persons incarcerated for drug offenses in Georgia and make up 97.7% of the people in that state who are given life sentences for drug offenses. In six California counties independently surveyed in 1995, 100% of those individuals sent to trial on drug charges were minorities, while the drug-using population in those same counties was more than 60% white. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African American defendants. In addition, unlike convictions for powered cocaine and other drugs (which wealthy, Caucasian defendants are more likely to use), a conviction for selling crack cocaine can carry a lengthy prison term without benefit of parole. ------------------------------------- It's also said, in general, that blue collar crimes, such as burglary are done by blacks and other races, and prosecuted heavily. White collar crime is mostly by whites, and not prosecuted nearly as heavily. As far as lambasting Clinton for any perceived problems, Republicans owned both sides, so you can't blame Clinton for signing what those bastions of Republican conservatism put in to effect. They wanted it and he went with it. Yes, those are the kind of statistics that law enforcement uses to back up the need to continue racial profiling. What the statistics leave out are various aspects of interest, like what kind of drugs are these arrests for, and how have the laws changed with regard to the drugs. And other findings of surveys that indicate members of the white community who are also arrested on drug charges, never face prosecution. A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African The Anti=Drug Abuse Act of 1988 included mandatory sentences for low-level crack ofenses (five years). Five grams of crack led to the maximum sentence. The same pentaly was invoked for powder cocain but for a higher level of 500 grams. Here's the rub, according to the study of the Sentencing Project, 80 percent, or more, of prosecuted crack offences are African-American. But the fact is that more than two-thirds of crack users have been found to be white or Latino. (The Sentencing Project, 2006b) This law was persuent to the Len Bias case, in which a college basketball star drafted by the Boston Celtics died of an overdose in 1986. But as it turned out, Bias did not die of a crack overdose, as originally speculated, but from snorting powder cocaine, which is a more expensive opiate derivitive, most predominantly used by the white affluent population.(Geest, 1995) Institutionalised racism is alive and well within our judiciary system. Do not say another word to me until you provide studies that prove your theory. Otherwise you are just another whining liberal that can't debate. I have a feeling you collect a disability check every month. I get that feeling from you..... I get the 'feeling' you are a very bigoted bullying type who cannot see any opinion but your own but we should probably debate the topics instead of what 'feelings' we personally have of those who post,,, I have not always agreed with Redy(or anyone else here for that matter) but she debates respectfully and logically which is more than certain others here,,, Neither one of you is capable of debate. Both of you refuse to look at the informations posted and both of you attempt to argue the subject with nothing other than your feelings. That's why I stopped wasting my time. probably for the best,, good luck on the forums,,, |
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http://www.peace.ca/truthaboutblackcrime.htm The National Institute of Drug Abuse estimated that while 12 percent of drug users are black, they make up nearly 50 percent of all drug possession arrests in the U.S. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) According to the National Drug Strategy Network, although African Americans make up less than one-third of the population in Georgia, the black arrest rate for drugs is five times greater than the white arrest rate. In addition, since 1990, African Americans have accounted for more than 75% of persons incarcerated for drug offenses in Georgia and make up 97.7% of the people in that state who are given life sentences for drug offenses. In six California counties independently surveyed in 1995, 100% of those individuals sent to trial on drug charges were minorities, while the drug-using population in those same counties was more than 60% white. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African American defendants. In addition, unlike convictions for powered cocaine and other drugs (which wealthy, Caucasian defendants are more likely to use), a conviction for selling crack cocaine can carry a lengthy prison term without benefit of parole. ------------------------------------- It's also said, in general, that blue collar crimes, such as burglary are done by blacks and other races, and prosecuted heavily. White collar crime is mostly by whites, and not prosecuted nearly as heavily. As far as lambasting Clinton for any perceived problems, Republicans owned both sides, so you can't blame Clinton for signing what those bastions of Republican conservatism put in to effect. They wanted it and he went with it. Yes, those are the kind of statistics that law enforcement uses to back up the need to continue racial profiling. What the statistics leave out are various aspects of interest, like what kind of drugs are these arrests for, and how have the laws changed with regard to the drugs. And other findings of surveys that indicate members of the white community who are also arrested on drug charges, never face prosecution. A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African The Anti=Drug Abuse Act of 1988 included mandatory sentences for low-level crack ofenses (five years). Five grams of crack led to the maximum sentence. The same pentaly was invoked for powder cocain but for a higher level of 500 grams. Here's the rub, according to the study of the Sentencing Project, 80 percent, or more, of prosecuted crack offences are African-American. But the fact is that more than two-thirds of crack users have been found to be white or Latino. (The Sentencing Project, 2006b) This law was persuent to the Len Bias case, in which a college basketball star drafted by the Boston Celtics died of an overdose in 1986. But as it turned out, Bias did not die of a crack overdose, as originally speculated, but from snorting powder cocaine, which is a more expensive opiate derivitive, most predominantly used by the white affluent population.(Geest, 1995) Institutionalised racism is alive and well within our judiciary system. Do not say another word to me until you provide studies that prove your theory. Otherwise you are just another whining liberal that can't debate. I have a feeling you collect a disability check every month. I get that feeling from you..... I get the 'feeling' you are a very bigoted bullying type who cannot see any opinion but your own but we should probably debate the topics instead of what 'feelings' we personally have of those who post,,, I have not always agreed with Redy(or anyone else here for that matter) but she debates respectfully and logically which is more than certain others here,,, Neither one of you is capable of debate. Both of you refuse to look at the informations posted and both of you attempt to argue the subject with nothing other than your feelings. That's why I stopped wasting my time. probably for the best,, good luck on the forums,,, Yes probably, "you just cant fix stupid" as we like to say here in Texas. |
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This is a reminder to leave the personal attacks/insults off of the forums. Debate the topic/post in a civil manner
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This is a reminder to leave the personal attacks/insults off of the forums. Debate the topic/post in a civil manner Kim  
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http://www.peace.ca/truthaboutblackcrime.htm The National Institute of Drug Abuse estimated that while 12 percent of drug users are black, they make up nearly 50 percent of all drug possession arrests in the U.S. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) According to the National Drug Strategy Network, although African Americans make up less than one-third of the population in Georgia, the black arrest rate for drugs is five times greater than the white arrest rate. In addition, since 1990, African Americans have accounted for more than 75% of persons incarcerated for drug offenses in Georgia and make up 97.7% of the people in that state who are given life sentences for drug offenses. In six California counties independently surveyed in 1995, 100% of those individuals sent to trial on drug charges were minorities, while the drug-using population in those same counties was more than 60% white. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African American defendants. In addition, unlike convictions for powered cocaine and other drugs (which wealthy, Caucasian defendants are more likely to use), a conviction for selling crack cocaine can carry a lengthy prison term without benefit of parole. ------------------------------------- It's also said, in general, that blue collar crimes, such as burglary are done by blacks and other races, and prosecuted heavily. White collar crime is mostly by whites, and not prosecuted nearly as heavily. As far as lambasting Clinton for any perceived problems, Republicans owned both sides, so you can't blame Clinton for signing what those bastions of Republican conservatism put in to effect. They wanted it and he went with it. Yes, those are the kind of statistics that law enforcement uses to back up the need to continue racial profiling. What the statistics leave out are various aspects of interest, like what kind of drugs are these arrests for, and how have the laws changed with regard to the drugs. And other findings of surveys that indicate members of the white community who are also arrested on drug charges, never face prosecution. A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African The Anti=Drug Abuse Act of 1988 included mandatory sentences for low-level crack ofenses (five years). Five grams of crack led to the maximum sentence. The same pentaly was invoked for powder cocain but for a higher level of 500 grams. Here's the rub, according to the study of the Sentencing Project, 80 percent, or more, of prosecuted crack offences are African-American. But the fact is that more than two-thirds of crack users have been found to be white or Latino. (The Sentencing Project, 2006b) This law was persuent to the Len Bias case, in which a college basketball star drafted by the Boston Celtics died of an overdose in 1986. But as it turned out, Bias did not die of a crack overdose, as originally speculated, but from snorting powder cocaine, which is a more expensive opiate derivitive, most predominantly used by the white affluent population.(Geest, 1995) Institutionalised racism is alive and well within our judiciary system. Do not say another word to me until you provide studies that prove your theory. Otherwise you are just another whining liberal that can't debate. I have a feeling you collect a disability check every month. I get that feeling from you..... Sorry I forgot to add the references, though if you notice, I did not forget to include the citations in the post I made, an honest mistake - now rectified. The rest is up to you. Sentencing Project. (2006b). Crack Cocaine sentencing policy: Unjustified and unreasonable. Washington, DC: The Sentencing Project. Retrieved from http://www.sentencingproject.org/template/index.cfm Pdf file can be retrieved directly using, http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/dp_cc_sentencingpolicy.pdf Gest, t. (1995, November 6). New war over crack. U.S. News & World Report, 119, 81. Sorry, the reference above is not available on line, it was obtained the old fashioned way, library. What would it matter if I was collecting a disability check every month? Do you have some preconceived notion that those on disability are only collecting that check because they are too lazy to provide for themselves? Do you feel the same way about veterans and the benefits extended to them well beyond their time of service? |
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http://www.peace.ca/truthaboutblackcrime.htm The National Institute of Drug Abuse estimated that while 12 percent of drug users are black, they make up nearly 50 percent of all drug possession arrests in the U.S. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) According to the National Drug Strategy Network, although African Americans make up less than one-third of the population in Georgia, the black arrest rate for drugs is five times greater than the white arrest rate. In addition, since 1990, African Americans have accounted for more than 75% of persons incarcerated for drug offenses in Georgia and make up 97.7% of the people in that state who are given life sentences for drug offenses. In six California counties independently surveyed in 1995, 100% of those individuals sent to trial on drug charges were minorities, while the drug-using population in those same counties was more than 60% white. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128) A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African American defendants. In addition, unlike convictions for powered cocaine and other drugs (which wealthy, Caucasian defendants are more likely to use), a conviction for selling crack cocaine can carry a lengthy prison term without benefit of parole. ------------------------------------- It's also said, in general, that blue collar crimes, such as burglary are done by blacks and other races, and prosecuted heavily. White collar crime is mostly by whites, and not prosecuted nearly as heavily. As far as lambasting Clinton for any perceived problems, Republicans owned both sides, so you can't blame Clinton for signing what those bastions of Republican conservatism put in to effect. They wanted it and he went with it. Yes, those are the kind of statistics that law enforcement uses to back up the need to continue racial profiling. What the statistics leave out are various aspects of interest, like what kind of drugs are these arrests for, and how have the laws changed with regard to the drugs. And other findings of surveys that indicate members of the white community who are also arrested on drug charges, never face prosecution. A CNN article in 1996 sited U.S. government figures that show more than 90 percent of all federal prosecutions for crack cocaine in 1995 were of African The Anti=Drug Abuse Act of 1988 included mandatory sentences for low-level crack ofenses (five years). Five grams of crack led to the maximum sentence. The same pentaly was invoked for powder cocain but for a higher level of 500 grams. Here's the rub, according to the study of the Sentencing Project, 80 percent, or more, of prosecuted crack offences are African-American. But the fact is that more than two-thirds of crack users have been found to be white or Latino. (The Sentencing Project, 2006b) This law was persuent to the Len Bias case, in which a college basketball star drafted by the Boston Celtics died of an overdose in 1986. But as it turned out, Bias did not die of a crack overdose, as originally speculated, but from snorting powder cocaine, which is a more expensive opiate derivitive, most predominantly used by the white affluent population.(Geest, 1995) Institutionalised racism is alive and well within our judiciary system. Do not say another word to me until you provide studies that prove your theory. Otherwise you are just another whining liberal that can't debate. I have a feeling you collect a disability check every month. I get that feeling from you..... Sorry I forgot to add the references, though if you notice, I did not forget to include the citations in the post I made, an honest mistake - now rectified. The rest is up to you. Sentencing Project. (2006b). Crack Cocaine sentencing policy: Unjustified and unreasonable. Washington, DC: The Sentencing Project. Retrieved from http://www.sentencingproject.org/template/index.cfm Pdf file can be retrieved directly using, http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/dp_cc_sentencingpolicy.pdf Gest, t. (1995, November 6). New war over crack. U.S. News & World Report, 119, 81. Sorry, the reference above is not available on line, it was obtained the old fashioned way, library. What would it matter if I was collecting a disability check every month? Do you have some preconceived notion that those on disability are only collecting that check because they are too lazy to provide for themselves? Do you feel the same way about veterans and the benefits extended to them well beyond their time of service? My mother collect's a check and I know many that do. Watching them is one of the reasons I cannot take a government handout. They all have the same mentality and it's easy to notice. I do have a problem with people receiving a check to take the easy way out. Personally I have seen WAY more people who should have been working, but instead they are sitting on their ***, soaking up government funding while staying up all night and day acting "regular" online and sleeping in till the early afternoon. People like that have a vested interest in making sure that democrats AKA (their monthly paycheck) stay in office. So that they don't have to get up and work. People like that disgust me because they criticize the very people paying their bills. They're are jobs for everyone. Instead of paying them to do nothing we should be making them sort mail or do some other ridiculously easy repetitive task to pay their way. Oh and also I responded to your post about harsher sentencing. I am ALL for it! How many crack heads do you know? Ever talked to one? I have I made a point of asking everyone I met how they became addicted while I was volunteering at our salvation army for a church function. Every single one of them was hooked from the moment of their first hit, while many other people who have tried crack didn't like it at all. Crack cocaine is specific to certain people and for those who like it, they cant stay off it. The percentage of those who can never touch it again is not worth the danger that crack heads pose to the community. If you have ever seen a crack head they are half a human. The drug eats at their soul and it consumes them, to the point where obtaining more of the drug becomes the overlying priority of the individuals life. They are responsible for robbery's and murders and even raping. It's always really bad stuff because they have lost all sense of humanity. |
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Sometimes clarification about what’s been said can improve the discussion and help in understanding a person’s point of view. So there are a couple points of reference that I think can be clarified.
The two quotes below seem to be contradictory, either the perspective is that people ought to ‘side’ with their race or not take sides, which is it? First example part A: All I hear is blah blah blah I am ignorant of the truth and I refuse to educate myself because..... A.) I have a duty to my race to always side with black people (we call this the black vote) B.) I would actually have to admit I am wrong.(probably the real reason) Frist example part B: You are racist against your own race and it's pathetic. I will have to bite my tongue because I have lost total respect for you. I think good referencing is important in debating issues but its not clear if ‘some’ people know how to make a clear reference of even if it is required. 2nd example part A: Go ahead , and don't post a link I want to know what YOU think happened and why. 2nd example part B: Do not say another word to me until you provide studies that prove your theory. Otherwise you are just another whining liberal that can't debate. Once in a while it’s good to review some basic rules, like how to reference information. When providing information, cut and paste is acceptable when it accompanies references such as: the source – where it came from, like the web address or the Pdf file location, or a government document title, or a book title with author – that’s very basic information but it will suffice in this type of discussion forum. Now about those other clarifications??? |
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Sometimes clarification about what’s been said can improve the discussion and help in understanding a person’s point of view. So there are a couple points of reference that I think can be clarified. The two quotes below seem to be contradictory, either the perspective is that people ought to ‘side’ with their race or not take sides, which is it? First example part A: All I hear is blah blah blah I am ignorant of the truth and I refuse to educate myself because..... A.) I have a duty to my race to always side with black people (we call this the black vote) B.) I would actually have to admit I am wrong.(probably the real reason) Frist example part B: You are racist against your own race and it's pathetic. I will have to bite my tongue because I have lost total respect for you. I think good referencing is important in debating issues but its not clear if ‘some’ people know how to make a clear reference of even if it is required. 2nd example part A: Go ahead , and don't post a link I want to know what YOU think happened and why. 2nd example part B: Do not say another word to me until you provide studies that prove your theory. Otherwise you are just another whining liberal that can't debate. Once in a while it’s good to review some basic rules, like how to reference information. When providing information, cut and paste is acceptable when it accompanies references such as: the source – where it came from, like the web address or the Pdf file location, or a government document title, or a book title with author – that’s very basic information but it will suffice in this type of discussion forum. Now about those other clarifications??? Sorry but you don't get to choose how people debate. I would rather you copy paste facts to back up your opinion rather than just type a bunch of crap and waste my time and yours. All I care about and all that matters are facts. Do the facts back up your statments and how can you prove it. Thats all! The problem with the race thing is that they're are a lot of white people who will turn against they're own race just to try to be liked by the black community. Name one other race that actually makes a fool of themselves trying to be and act like another race! Thats how pathetic people can be. LOL Even my black friends laugh they're ***** off at white people trying to act black. You don't have to act like someone or talk like them to fit in. LOL I am not saying that every time a white person helps a black person that this is what's happening. But they're are a lot of people who think black people have a right to hate whites. Like you for instance, When in truth they don't. None of them went through slavery, and slaves were only possible due to African tribes enslaving other Africans and selling them to slavery if we had not bought them they would just be African slaves like the current Africans now. The only reason slavery was even possible was because of black people. Your little DWB is a perfect example, truth is you live in a bad area and a cop was doing his job. Since the majority of offenders are black makes sense that cops will target them. Hell I used to drive a Honda that was loud and annoying and I had cops mess with me ALL THE TIME!!! I bought a 96 jeep Cherokee and they never even look at me. Hell I drove it with a bad sticker for 2 weeks and not one cop pulled me over.It's not personal it's just business, they have a job to do and profiling is a part of it. Its done to work smarter not harder. If you are obeying the law you have nothing to worry about right? |
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seems like miss Rachel is the only one who gets to express an opinion...well, it is her thread..so I guess she is the boss of everyone and the owner of the truth...
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firstly,, how is this '"The only thing that ought to matter on a loan application is whether or not you can pay it back, not where you live." Bentsen said that the proposed changes would "make it easier for lenders to show how they're complying with the Community Reinvestment Act", and "cut back a lot of the paperwork and the cost on small business loans".[36] correlate to this 'Here is your proof. Clinton made it easier for people with no money to get credit and not only that but he also made it easier for banks to operate secretly' where is the legislation clinton passed single handedly giving people with NO MONEY credit? the issue here, is that there is alot of information which can be interpreted to mean different things and there are far too many ABSOLUTE opinions expressed which fail to be proven as absolute at all... The Clinton Administration's regulatory revisions [2] with an effective starting date of January 31, 1995, were credited with substantially increasing the number and aggregate amount of loans to small businesses and to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans. Massive new provisions to CRA that forced banks to issue $1 trillion dollars in bad loans and indirectly fund the work of radical left-wing organizations."[3] Part of the increase in home loans was due to increased efficiency and the genesis of lenders, like Countrywide, that do not mitigate loan risk with savings deposits as do traditional banks using the new subprime authorization. This is known as the secondary market for mortgage loans. The revisions allowed the securitization of CRA loans containing subprime mortgages. The first public securitization of CRA loans started in 1997. [4 "Crucially, the new CRA regulations also instructed bank examiners to take into account how well banks responded to complaints. The old CRA evaluation process had allowed advocacy groups a chance to express their views on individual banks, and publicly available data on the lending patterns of individual banks allowed activist groups to target institutions considered vulnerable to protest. But for advocacy groups that were in the complaint business, the Clinton administration regulations offered a formal invitation. The National Community Reinvestment Coalition, a foundation-funded umbrella group for community activist groups that profit from the CRA, issued a clarion call to its members in a leaflet entitled 'The New CRA Regulations: How Community Groups Can Get Involved.' 'Timely comments,' the NCRC observed with a certain understatement, 'can have a strong influence on a bank's CRA rating.'" "'To avoid the possibility of a denied or delayed application,' advises the NCRC in its deadpan tone, 'lending institutions have an incentive to make formal agreements with community organizations.' By intervening, even just threatening to intervene, in the CRA review process, left-wing nonprofit groups have been able to gain control over eye-popping pools of bank capital, which they in turn parcel out to individual low-income mortgage seekers. A radical group called ACORN Housing has a $760 million commitment from the Bank of New York; the Boston-based Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America has a $3-billion agreement with the Bank of America; a coalition of groups headed by New Jersey Citizen Action has a five-year, $13-billion agreement with First Union Corporation. Similar deals operate in almost every major U.S. city. Observes Tom Callahan, executive director of the Massachusetts Affordable Housing Alliance, which has $220 million in bank mortgage money to parcel out, "CRA is the backbone of everything we do." HAHAHA! MOAR PROOF! of nothing but someones ASSESSMENT of a policy ,,,and an author linking events back to ONE PERSON, just by stating its so instead of PROVING its so.... All I hear is blah blah blah I am ignorant of the truth and I refuse to educate myself because..... A.) I have a duty to my race to always side with black people (we call this the black vote) B.) I would actually have to admit I am wrong.(probably the real reason) If I am wrong, I want you to tell me why this is not factual, and I want to know why YOU think that the recession happened. Go ahead , and don't post a link I want to know what YOU think happened and why. I am neither ignorant or refusing to educate myself, I just dont see this thread or any random choice of websites(out of the millions posted) as EDUCATIONAL material, most find those sites that back up what they already believe, most people seek out affirmation for their beliefs(psych 101) what I do see is people sharing opinions and posting other random facts and opinions which SEEM to back theirs up my responses are not about a duty to race, my responses are about being truthful and relevant I am not an economist, but if I had to take a laymans guess at what prompted this past recession it would be the wars in iraq and afghanistan, tax cuts, the collapse of the financial industry, the housing market, and the disproportionate rise in the cost of living compared to a stagnate living wage,,, Ok so when you are talking about the housing market and the financial industry, and the rise in the cost of living you are talking about things that I already showed you. I showed you how those problems came to be. The problem is that you have not given a REASON as to why the problems came to be. SOMETHING happened and CAUSED this problem. So since you disagree what's the reason? What caused it? There are many reasons and causes of poverty. Its clear, to those who recognize it, that the greatest contributor to poverty is oppression. Oppression comes from many directions and through many sources, but they seem to have common threads. There is a group, usually some sort of majority, in power and through that power a sense of privilege is derived. Social constructs are built around and for the benefit of the group in power. Eventually the group in power no longer recognizes thier own privilege, which only exists through the oppression of others. Examples: gender - as women have had to battle the oppression of their male counterparts. race - becasue genetic physical characteristics can set people up as a minorty and thus give rise to the priviledge of the majority to oppress them. There are, of course others but gender and, as another poster has indicated, "institutional racism" are the two greatest sources of oppression and thus of "White Male Privelege" within the United States. Institutional Racism - exists within the structures and practices of of our institutions, which begin with our greatest authorities, our governments. It is a fact that this is ongoing and it is a fact that it is extensive within our justice system. It is also a fact that the group who instutiionalizes racism rarely recognize the oppressive nature of their actions, because they are "privileged", meaning they are rarely ever subjects of their own oppressive actions. Therefore, if anyone 'pulls the race card' they may have a very legitimate reason for doing so and it would be wise to ask the person making the claim how they percieve racism in that particular case. But that's just useful information in case someone DOES 'pull the race card'. So tell me, since it's your opinion that Black people tend to live in congregated areas of poverty and maintain that space with an iron grip - can you explain why you think that has occurred? after reading that I had to check the calendar to make sure it wasn't 1950.. excuses...excuses... and more excuses... Nice photo - seems to indicate you are a white male... that tends to correlate with your responce. |
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seems like miss Rachel is the only one who gets to express an opinion...well, it is her thread..so I guess she is the boss of everyone and the owner of the truth...  Some truths can only be found in the I of the beholder. Often, what people base their truth on has nothing to do with facts, rather it comes from personal experiences which have been generalized to the entire population. In those cases facts will never be a persuasive mechanism, only further personal experiences can make change possible. Unfortunately, for most of those poeple there will be a lack of opportuntity from which to gain those kinds of broad experiences that can change perspective. No matter our experiences or our situation we all have similarities, possibly the greatest of which is our capacity to find joy in the life we have, even if they're just momentary. In the mean time, we have to include all poeple in the diverse mixture we call Americans. I'm happy tonight because this thread was just the thing I needed to complete a midterm research paper. I got to do the research and use much of what I leaned here. It's a proven fact that utilizing newly learned information by applying it to real situations futher embeds that knowledge in our brain for future reference. But I won't give any references for that fact, it's late and I have a test tomorrow - so just consider it one other truths that exist in the I of the beholder. Thanks everyone for the opportunity to experience a little joy in my poverty ridden, self-imposed socially secluded state of being a full time student and part time employee. Here's to new, mind-broadening, life experiences for one and all. |
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Good Luck with your test
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seems like miss Rachel is the only one who gets to express an opinion...well, it is her thread..so I guess she is the boss of everyone and the owner of the truth... Some truths can only be found in the I of the beholder. Often, what people base their truth on has nothing to do with facts, rather it comes from personal experiences which have been generalized to the entire population. In those cases facts will never be a persuasive mechanism, only further personal experiences can make change possible. Unfortunately, for most of those poeple there will be a lack of opportuntity from which to gain those kinds of broad experiences that can change perspective. No matter our experiences or our situation we all have similarities, possibly the greatest of which is our capacity to find joy in the life we have, even if they're just momentary. In the mean time, we have to include all poeple in the diverse mixture we call Americans. I'm happy tonight because this thread was just the thing I needed to complete a midterm research paper. I got to do the research and use much of what I leaned here. It's a proven fact that utilizing newly learned information by applying it to real situations futher embeds that knowledge in our brain for future reference. But I won't give any references for that fact, it's late and I have a test tomorrow - so just consider it one other truths that exist in the I of the beholder. Thanks everyone for the opportunity to experience a little joy in my poverty ridden, self-imposed socially secluded state of being a full time student and part time employee. Here's to new, mind-broadening, life experiences for one and all. always a joy, and even when we disagree, I love your intelligence and integrity,,,,, good luck on the test |
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