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I'm not really sure what to make of this. On one hand, I think it's targeting people that are outspoken against wars they believe are illegal. On the other hand, it seems that these same people are cozy with some really nasty hombres.
Showing solidarity with FARC? That's an interesting connection.. There is obviously more to the story, but I guess we will have to wait to see what this is really all about.. And just for the record, so there isn't any confusion.. Bush is no longer the President.. FBI cites terror link in raids of local activists Agents raided the Minneapolis homes of five antiwar activists, seizing computers and documents. The FBI raided the Minneapolis homes of five antiwar activists, including three leaders of the Twin Cities peace movement, Friday morning as part of what it called a probe of "activities concerning the material support of terrorism." The Minneapolis office of an antiwar organization was also raided, protest leaders said. No one was arrested in any of the raids. FBI spokesman Steve Warfield said the searches were conducted at about 7 a.m. Lawyers said the agents seized computers, cell phones and documents in the protesters' homes. The federal search warrants in Minneapolis were related to an ongoing Joint Terrorism Task Force, Warfield said. He offered no details. Protest leaders said the raids surprised them. Mick Kelly, whose home was searched, played a central role in the 2008 demonstrations at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul. Asked if he was involved in illegal activities, he replied, "Absolutely not.'' Ted Dooley, Kelly's attorney, called the raids "a probe into the political beliefs of American citizens and any organization anywhere that opposes the American imperial design." He said the warrants cited a federal law making it a violation to provide or conspire to provide material support to designated foreign terrorist organizations. The warrant for the raid on Kelly's apartment, in the 1800 block of Riverside Avenue, sought notebooks, address books, photos and maps of Kelly's travels to the Palestinian territories, Colombia and in the United States on behalf of the Freedom Road Socialist Organization. It also sought materials on his personal finances and those of the group, on Kelly's "potential co-conspirators" and recruitment efforts for the group. The warrant also sought any information about efforts to support FARC, a guerrilla organization in Colombia, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and Hezbollah, the political and paramilitary organization based in Lebanon. http://www.startribune.com/local/103716104.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU |
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time will tell
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time will tell haha... as always... |
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time will tell haha... as always... 
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There are news stories all over showing people being investigated by homeland security under the name "terrorist". In PA. they were even targeting so called "Tea Partiers" as terrorists. Say publicly that you are a "Constitutionalist", you run the risk of being branded a terrorist. These stories are well documented outside of MSM. Yes, time will tell if we remain a free country, or a government run state, time will tell.
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Im leaning toward,,'free' country
(but momma told me from a very young age that nothing in this world comes entirely FREE except love) |
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Hopefully it's free as in freedom? Your momma sounds like a very wise woman.
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Hopefully it's free as in freedom? Your momma sounds like a very wise woman. she's the best,,,thanx |
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Seems to me (from the vantage point over here in the UK) that it has been important for the authorities on both sides of the pond to nurture a climate of fear. Under this cloud of suspicion our civil liberties can easily be eroded: (as they have indeed been). Said liberties were hard fought for by our forebears - and once lost, they are going to be equally hard to recover. Yes there are threats - I have no doubt about that. In the UK and for much of my lifetime, we lived under the real threat of 'terrorism' from the IRA. There were many bomb attacks right here on the mainland. Yet - Governments back then did not feel the need to introduce the sort of measures contemporary ones have during this so called 'war on terror' we have today. Ask yourself this - IF we were not bombing and killing innocents (as well as 'the guilty') over in Afghanistan and Pakistan - not to mention having invaded and occupied a sovereign nation (Iraq) UNDER A FALSE PRETENSE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION - just how sever would this 'threat' now be? Obviously the whole invasion thing had absolutely nothing to do with diminishing carbon resources .... well did it .... (?!)
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Seems to me (from the vantage point over here in the UK) that it has been important for the authorities on both sides of the pond to nurture a climate of fear. Under this cloud of suspicion our civil liberties can easily be eroded: (as they have indeed been). Said liberties were hard fought for by our forebears - and once lost, they are going to be equally hard to recover. Yes there are threats - I have no doubt about that. In the UK and for much of my lifetime, we lived under the real threat of 'terrorism' from the IRA. There were many bomb attacks right here on the mainland. Yet - Governments back then did not feel the need to introduce the sort of measures contemporary ones have during this so called 'war on terror' we have today. Ask yourself this - IF we were not bombing and killing innocents (as well as 'the guilty') over in Afghanistan and Pakistan - not to mention having invaded and occupied a sovereign nation (Iraq) UNDER A FALSE PRETENSE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION - just how sever would this 'threat' now be? Obviously the whole invasion thing had absolutely nothing to do with diminishing carbon resources .... well did it .... (?!)
I see where your screen name comes from.....
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Edited by
leveller1
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Seems to me (from the vantage point over here in the UK) that it has been important for the authorities on both sides of the pond to nurture a climate of fear. Under this cloud of suspicion our civil liberties can easily be eroded: (as they have indeed been). Said liberties were hard fought for by our forebears - and once lost, they are going to be equally hard to recover. Yes there are threats - I have no doubt about that. In the UK and for much of my lifetime, we lived under the real threat of 'terrorism' from the IRA. There were many bomb attacks right here on the mainland. Yet - Governments back then did not feel the need to introduce the sort of measures contemporary ones have during this so called 'war on terror' we have today. Ask yourself this - IF we were not bombing and killing innocents (as well as 'the guilty') over in Afghanistan and Pakistan - not to mention having invaded and occupied a sovereign nation (Iraq) UNDER A FALSE PRETENSE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION - just how sever would this 'threat' now be? Obviously the whole invasion thing had absolutely nothing to do with diminishing carbon resources .... well did it .... (?!)
Ah - one of my favorite bands the Levellers; and of course named after a particular grouping involved in the English civil war who joined with Cromwell's lot on condition he listened to their demands once the King was defeated. This Cromwell did - then had their leaders arrested. Even Cromwell couldn't have the likes of women emancipated, universal voting rights and other associated revolutionary stuff .... After all - the barons and landlords he represented just wanted some of the King's powers redistributed - not the handing out of actual rights to the common people ... (perish the thought ..) Actually - I tend to prefer music that carries a message. Another band I really like is Green Day - but then I also happen to be a rock and punk head. |
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Seems to me (from the vantage point over here in the UK) that it has been important for the authorities on both sides of the pond to nurture a climate of fear. Under this cloud of suspicion our civil liberties can easily be eroded: (as they have indeed been). Said liberties were hard fought for by our forebears - and once lost, they are going to be equally hard to recover. Yes there are threats - I have no doubt about that. In the UK and for much of my lifetime, we lived under the real threat of 'terrorism' from the IRA. There were many bomb attacks right here on the mainland. Yet - Governments back then did not feel the need to introduce the sort of measures contemporary ones have during this so called 'war on terror' we have today. Ask yourself this - IF we were not bombing and killing innocents (as well as 'the guilty') over in Afghanistan and Pakistan - not to mention having invaded and occupied a sovereign nation (Iraq) UNDER A FALSE PRETENSE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION - just how sever would this 'threat' now be? Obviously the whole invasion thing had absolutely nothing to do with diminishing carbon resources .... well did it .... (?!)
well... Being that there were several terrorist attacks committed long before Iraq and Afghanistan I would say that your point is rather moot. The fact is simple. No one can dispute that there has been a concerted effort by groups in the middle east to carry out attacks in the west for the last 40 years. Many of their grievances go back to the days of European imperialism. I would take a close look at what your country has done to create a majority of the hostility around the world that we are paying for today. British and French meddling around the globe has created an environment of animosity and hatred that still permeates today. These people have no choice but to believe that our intentions are nefarious after being exploited and trashed for a hundred years by your countrymen. There is no other country in the history of humanity that has f*cked up more civilizations than yours. I suggest you consider that before you start pointing your finger at others.. The British empire has alot to answer for and alot of responsibility for the state of affairs we find ourselves in. |
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Seems to me (from the vantage point over here in the UK) that it has been important for the authorities on both sides of the pond to nurture a climate of fear. Under this cloud of suspicion our civil liberties can easily be eroded: (as they have indeed been). Said liberties were hard fought for by our forebears - and once lost, they are going to be equally hard to recover. Yes there are threats - I have no doubt about that. In the UK and for much of my lifetime, we lived under the real threat of 'terrorism' from the IRA. There were many bomb attacks right here on the mainland. Yet - Governments back then did not feel the need to introduce the sort of measures contemporary ones have during this so called 'war on terror' we have today. Ask yourself this - IF we were not bombing and killing innocents (as well as 'the guilty') over in Afghanistan and Pakistan - not to mention having invaded and occupied a sovereign nation (Iraq) UNDER A FALSE PRETENSE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION - just how sever would this 'threat' now be? Obviously the whole invasion thing had absolutely nothing to do with diminishing carbon resources .... well did it .... (?!)
well... Being that there were several terrorist attacks committed long before Iraq and Afghanistan I would say that your point is rather moot. The fact is simple. No one can dispute that there has been a concerted effort by groups in the middle east to carry out attacks in the west for the last 40 years. Many of their grievances go back to the days of European imperialism. I would take a close look at what your country has done to create a majority of the hostility around the world that we are paying for today. British and French meddling around the globe has created an environment of animosity and hatred that still permeates today. These people have no choice but to believe that our intentions are nefarious after being exploited and trashed for a hundred years by your countrymen. There is no other country in the history of humanity that has f*cked up more civilizations than yours. I suggest you consider that before you start pointing your finger at others.. The British empire has alot to answer for and alot of responsibility for the state of affairs we find ourselves in. everyone seems to forget about the first time the world trade center was bombed...before the afgan and Iraqi invasion... when OSB was still in the US |
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Seems to me (from the vantage point over here in the UK) that it has been important for the authorities on both sides of the pond to nurture a climate of fear. Under this cloud of suspicion our civil liberties can easily be eroded: (as they have indeed been). Said liberties were hard fought for by our forebears - and once lost, they are going to be equally hard to recover. Yes there are threats - I have no doubt about that. In the UK and for much of my lifetime, we lived under the real threat of 'terrorism' from the IRA. There were many bomb attacks right here on the mainland. Yet - Governments back then did not feel the need to introduce the sort of measures contemporary ones have during this so called 'war on terror' we have today. Ask yourself this - IF we were not bombing and killing innocents (as well as 'the guilty') over in Afghanistan and Pakistan - not to mention having invaded and occupied a sovereign nation (Iraq) UNDER A FALSE PRETENSE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION - just how sever would this 'threat' now be? Obviously the whole invasion thing had absolutely nothing to do with diminishing carbon resources .... well did it .... (?!)
well... Being that there were several terrorist attacks committed long before Iraq and Afghanistan I would say that your point is rather moot. The fact is simple. No one can dispute that there has been a concerted effort by groups in the middle east to carry out attacks in the west for the last 40 years. Many of their grievances go back to the days of European imperialism. I would take a close look at what your country has done to create a majority of the hostility around the world that we are paying for today. British and French meddling around the globe has created an environment of animosity and hatred that still permeates today. These people have no choice but to believe that our intentions are nefarious after being exploited and trashed for a hundred years by your countrymen. There is no other country in the history of humanity that has f*cked up more civilizations than yours. I suggest you consider that before you start pointing your finger at others.. The British empire has alot to answer for and alot of responsibility for the state of affairs we find ourselves in. everyone seems to forget about the first time the world trade center was bombed...before the afgan and Iraqi invasion... when OSB was still in the US Of course they forget, because they can't blame Bush for it. |
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Seems to me (from the vantage point over here in the UK) that it has been important for the authorities on both sides of the pond to nurture a climate of fear. Under this cloud of suspicion our civil liberties can easily be eroded: (as they have indeed been). Said liberties were hard fought for by our forebears - and once lost, they are going to be equally hard to recover. Yes there are threats - I have no doubt about that. In the UK and for much of my lifetime, we lived under the real threat of 'terrorism' from the IRA. There were many bomb attacks right here on the mainland. Yet - Governments back then did not feel the need to introduce the sort of measures contemporary ones have during this so called 'war on terror' we have today. Ask yourself this - IF we were not bombing and killing innocents (as well as 'the guilty') over in Afghanistan and Pakistan - not to mention having invaded and occupied a sovereign nation (Iraq) UNDER A FALSE PRETENSE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION - just how sever would this 'threat' now be? Obviously the whole invasion thing had absolutely nothing to do with diminishing carbon resources .... well did it .... (?!)
well... Being that there were several terrorist attacks committed long before Iraq and Afghanistan I would say that your point is rather moot. The fact is simple. No one can dispute that there has been a concerted effort by groups in the middle east to carry out attacks in the west for the last 40 years. Many of their grievances go back to the days of European imperialism. I would take a close look at what your country has done to create a majority of the hostility around the world that we are paying for today. British and French meddling around the globe has created an environment of animosity and hatred that still permeates today. These people have no choice but to believe that our intentions are nefarious after being exploited and trashed for a hundred years by your countrymen. There is no other country in the history of humanity that has f*cked up more civilizations than yours. I suggest you consider that before you start pointing your finger at others.. The British empire has alot to answer for and alot of responsibility for the state of affairs we find ourselves in. everyone seems to forget about the first time the world trade center was bombed...before the afgan and Iraqi invasion... when OSB was still in the US Of course they forget, because they can't blame Bush for it. didnt forget, just wasnt aware there was ever a second time that it was bombed this was our planes on our territory flown by foreign men who had trained to fly planes on our territory as well |
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Seems to me (from the vantage point over here in the UK) that it has been important for the authorities on both sides of the pond to nurture a climate of fear. Under this cloud of suspicion our civil liberties can easily be eroded: (as they have indeed been). Said liberties were hard fought for by our forebears - and once lost, they are going to be equally hard to recover. Yes there are threats - I have no doubt about that. In the UK and for much of my lifetime, we lived under the real threat of 'terrorism' from the IRA. There were many bomb attacks right here on the mainland. Yet - Governments back then did not feel the need to introduce the sort of measures contemporary ones have during this so called 'war on terror' we have today. Ask yourself this - IF we were not bombing and killing innocents (as well as 'the guilty') over in Afghanistan and Pakistan - not to mention having invaded and occupied a sovereign nation (Iraq) UNDER A FALSE PRETENSE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION - just how sever would this 'threat' now be? Obviously the whole invasion thing had absolutely nothing to do with diminishing carbon resources .... well did it .... (?!)
well... Being that there were several terrorist attacks committed long before Iraq and Afghanistan I would say that your point is rather moot. The fact is simple. No one can dispute that there has been a concerted effort by groups in the middle east to carry out attacks in the west for the last 40 years. Many of their grievances go back to the days of European imperialism. I would take a close look at what your country has done to create a majority of the hostility around the world that we are paying for today. British and French meddling around the globe has created an environment of animosity and hatred that still permeates today. These people have no choice but to believe that our intentions are nefarious after being exploited and trashed for a hundred years by your countrymen. There is no other country in the history of humanity that has f*cked up more civilizations than yours. I suggest you consider that before you start pointing your finger at others.. The British empire has alot to answer for and alot of responsibility for the state of affairs we find ourselves in. everyone seems to forget about the first time the world trade center was bombed...before the afgan and Iraqi invasion... when OSB was still in the US Of course they forget, because they can't blame Bush for it. didnt forget, just wasnt aware there was ever a second time that it was bombed this was our planes on our territory flown by foreign men who had trained to fly planes on our territory as well You didn't know the WTC was bombed by Ramsey Yousef in 1993? I'm just looking for some clarification.. |
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I'm not really sure what to make of this. On one hand, I think it's targeting people that are outspoken against wars they believe are illegal. On the other hand, it seems that these same people are cozy with some really nasty hombres. Showing solidarity with FARC? That's an interesting connection.. There is obviously more to the story, but I guess we will have to wait to see what this is really all about.. And just for the record, so there isn't any confusion.. Bush is no longer the President.. FBI cites terror link in raids of local activists Agents raided the Minneapolis homes of five antiwar activists, seizing computers and documents. The FBI raided the Minneapolis homes of five antiwar activists, including three leaders of the Twin Cities peace movement, Friday morning as part of what it called a probe of "activities concerning the material support of terrorism." The Minneapolis office of an antiwar organization was also raided, protest leaders said. No one was arrested in any of the raids. FBI spokesman Steve Warfield said the searches were conducted at about 7 a.m. Lawyers said the agents seized computers, cell phones and documents in the protesters' homes. The federal search warrants in Minneapolis were related to an ongoing Joint Terrorism Task Force, Warfield said. He offered no details. Protest leaders said the raids surprised them. Mick Kelly, whose home was searched, played a central role in the 2008 demonstrations at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul. Asked if he was involved in illegal activities, he replied, "Absolutely not.'' Ted Dooley, Kelly's attorney, called the raids "a probe into the political beliefs of American citizens and any organization anywhere that opposes the American imperial design." He said the warrants cited a federal law making it a violation to provide or conspire to provide material support to designated foreign terrorist organizations. The warrant for the raid on Kelly's apartment, in the 1800 block of Riverside Avenue, sought notebooks, address books, photos and maps of Kelly's travels to the Palestinian territories, Colombia and in the United States on behalf of the Freedom Road Socialist Organization. It also sought materials on his personal finances and those of the group, on Kelly's "potential co-conspirators" and recruitment efforts for the group. The warrant also sought any information about efforts to support FARC, a guerrilla organization in Colombia, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and Hezbollah, the political and paramilitary organization based in Lebanon. http://www.startribune.com/local/103716104.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU Good, they need to go after Cindy Sheehan and the leaders of Code Pink next since they provided material support to our enemies in Iraq and Afganistan. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 09/25/10 07:00 PM
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Seems to me (from the vantage point over here in the UK) that it has been important for the authorities on both sides of the pond to nurture a climate of fear. Under this cloud of suspicion our civil liberties can easily be eroded: (as they have indeed been). Said liberties were hard fought for by our forebears - and once lost, they are going to be equally hard to recover. Yes there are threats - I have no doubt about that. In the UK and for much of my lifetime, we lived under the real threat of 'terrorism' from the IRA. There were many bomb attacks right here on the mainland. Yet - Governments back then did not feel the need to introduce the sort of measures contemporary ones have during this so called 'war on terror' we have today. Ask yourself this - IF we were not bombing and killing innocents (as well as 'the guilty') over in Afghanistan and Pakistan - not to mention having invaded and occupied a sovereign nation (Iraq) UNDER A FALSE PRETENSE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION - just how sever would this 'threat' now be? Obviously the whole invasion thing had absolutely nothing to do with diminishing carbon resources .... well did it .... (?!)
well... Being that there were several terrorist attacks committed long before Iraq and Afghanistan I would say that your point is rather moot. The fact is simple. No one can dispute that there has been a concerted effort by groups in the middle east to carry out attacks in the west for the last 40 years. Many of their grievances go back to the days of European imperialism. I would take a close look at what your country has done to create a majority of the hostility around the world that we are paying for today. British and French meddling around the globe has created an environment of animosity and hatred that still permeates today. These people have no choice but to believe that our intentions are nefarious after being exploited and trashed for a hundred years by your countrymen. There is no other country in the history of humanity that has f*cked up more civilizations than yours. I suggest you consider that before you start pointing your finger at others.. The British empire has alot to answer for and alot of responsibility for the state of affairs we find ourselves in. everyone seems to forget about the first time the world trade center was bombed...before the afgan and Iraqi invasion... when OSB was still in the US Of course they forget, because they can't blame Bush for it. didnt forget, just wasnt aware there was ever a second time that it was bombed this was our planes on our territory flown by foreign men who had trained to fly planes on our territory as well You didn't know the WTC was bombed by Ramsey Yousef in 1993? I'm just looking for some clarification.. the 1993 bombing(6 dead) is the ONLY one I am aware of actually,,,(no SECOND time that I am aware of) there was a bombing in Oklahoma City in 1995 where 168 were killed but we know that wasnt a muslim terrorist so it doesnt really belong in this category,,, |
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Mick Kelly has traveled tp Columbia and the middle east to get support from the terrorists.
He has been indoctrinated with the evils of Islam. Is it a coincidence that he lives in MN??.....Minnesota is being overrun with filthy middle eastern Islamic people who thrive on the support of terror activities. Dont let his American sounding name fool you.....he is a terror supporter, and he associates with Islamic terrorists. |
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There are news stories all over showing people being investigated by homeland security under the name "terrorist". In PA. they were even targeting so called "Tea Partiers" as terrorists. Say publicly that you are a "Constitutionalist", you run the risk of being branded a terrorist. These stories are well documented outside of MSM. Yes, time will tell if we remain a free country, or a government run state, time will tell. Tea partiers could very well be terrorists, some of their teaching aren't too American. 
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