Topic: President's Aunt's Statements Ignite Debate
70lookin4u2's photo
Wed 09/22/10 04:28 PM



The question I have and maybe this should be brought up to the legislature. If a person has over ran their visa or green card and are no longer legally here and they apply for the benefits that they are eligible for, shouldn't we make them go through the processing for legal status or mail their money to them in another country?

Because we currently do give them their due on their way out if they want it.



ummm i think thats the purpose of kicking them out so we do not have to pay them money....
slaphead frustrated frustrated


If they work here legally and pay into our social security system, they are eligible for payment one way or the other.




How long did she work? What is it that she should be "eligible" for? Do you have something showing she EVER worked?

70lookin4u2's photo
Wed 09/22/10 04:33 PM


"If I come as an immigrant, you have the obligation to make me a citizen,"


If you come legally.


She did come legally.

I am stating that the benefits she received are legally hers by our laws.




She overstayed her visa, she is not here legallt, and has not been for at least six years. The benefits are not hers, she is not here legally.

msharmony's photo
Wed 09/22/10 05:43 PM
Onyango, who turns 58 this month, is the half-sister of Obama's late father, and she was featured in Obama's memoir, "Dreams from My Father." She had applied for political asylum in 2002, but a judge rejected her application in 2004 and told her to leave the country.

Instead, she lived quietly in the public housing project until it was revealed shortly before the 2008 election that she was here illegally. She quickly became a lightning rod in the national debate over illegal immigration.

After the publicity, she fled to Cleveland, hired Wong, and petitioned immigration judge to allow her to stay in the United States.

Shapiro agreed to reopen Onyango's case in December 2008.

In February, Wong said Onyango would testify that she should stay in this country because she suffers health problems and because she feared that she would become the target of tribal violence if she were forced to return to her homeland. Onyango suffers from Guillain-Barre syndrome, an autoimmune disorder.

During that hearing, Shapiro heard five hours of testimony by Onyango and two physicians.


read more at: http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/05/obamas_aunt_giv.html

Dragoness's photo
Wed 09/22/10 05:46 PM



"If I come as an immigrant, you have the obligation to make me a citizen,"


If you come legally.


She did come legally.

I am stating that the benefits she received are legally hers by our laws.




She overstayed her visa, she is not here legallt, and has not been for at least six years. The benefits are not hers, she is not here legally.


Wrong.

She worked here legally and is therefore eligible for social security

Dragoness's photo
Wed 09/22/10 06:00 PM
She shouldn't be getting public housing though. So that system screwed up.


Lpdon's photo
Wed 09/22/10 06:39 PM




"If I come as an immigrant, you have the obligation to make me a citizen,"


If you come legally.


She did come legally.

I am stating that the benefits she received are legally hers by our laws.




She overstayed her visa, she is not here legallt, and has not been for at least six years. The benefits are not hers, she is not here legally.


Wrong.

She worked here legally and is therefore eligible for social security


Really? Does she have a SSN?

msharmony's photo
Wed 09/22/10 06:56 PM





"If I come as an immigrant, you have the obligation to make me a citizen,"


If you come legally.


She did come legally.

I am stating that the benefits she received are legally hers by our laws.




She overstayed her visa, she is not here legallt, and has not been for at least six years. The benefits are not hers, she is not here legally.


Wrong.

She worked here legally and is therefore eligible for social security


Really? Does she have a SSN?



yes

70lookin4u2's photo
Thu 09/23/10 05:55 PM
I have yet to see anywhere that she has ever worked, or payed in any amount close to what she has received in benefits.

70lookin4u2's photo
Thu 09/23/10 06:08 PM

http://www.thegrio.com/politics/obamas-aunt-says-us-obligated-to-make-her-citizen.php


Onyango, the half sister of Obama's late father, still lives in public housing and collects $700 monthly disability. She doesn't work, but said she volunteers time at the Boys and Girls Club and with the Boston Housing Authority.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 09/23/10 06:10 PM





"If I come as an immigrant, you have the obligation to make me a citizen,"


If you come legally.


She did come legally.

I am stating that the benefits she received are legally hers by our laws.




She overstayed her visa, she is not here legallt, and has not been for at least six years. The benefits are not hers, she is not here legally.


Wrong.

She worked here legally and is therefore eligible for social security


Really? Does she have a SSN?


Of course, you can't get social security without one.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 09/23/10 06:17 PM
what job did she have?

mightymoe's photo
Thu 09/23/10 06:21 PM
Onyango was an asylum seeker when she applied for public housing in 2002.[1][6] She moved into the apartment, run by Massachusetts authorities, after back surgery made walking difficult.[6] A BHA official said that the agency was never notified of a deportation order that had been issued[19] (A 1977 federal consent decree, resulting from a class action lawsuit in Waltham, prohibits state officials from denying public housing to illegal immigrants).[6] [20] Beginning in 2003 she lived in a South Boston public housing project, according to Boston Public Housing Authority (BHA) officials.[3] William McGonagle, deputy director of the Authority, stated Onyango did a good job as a public health advocate on behalf of the Boston Housing Authority.[3][21] Described as a frail woman who walks with cane, she lives in flat normally set aside for people facing physical hardship.[1]

As of 2008 Onyango worked as a volunteer computer systems co-ordinator for the Experience Corps, a program in which adults over 55 mentor children in their communities.[1] McGonagle added "We have no affirmative responsibility I am aware of to further check on their status after they are initially deemed to be eligible."[22]

Onyango's immigration lawyer since 2008, Margaret Wong, stated Onyango could be barred from reentering for up to ten years if she left the US now.[23] Wong stated that Onyango needed to stay for medical care because she could not walk.[23]

never earned a dime...another freeloading foreigner...

70lookin4u2's photo
Thu 09/23/10 06:23 PM
Edited by 70lookin4u2 on Thu 09/23/10 06:24 PM

what job did she have?




Exactly. People want to defend the thousands of people receiving social security that have never paid in. Then they wonder why social security is broke. She paid in nothing, just as countless others, but we are to believe they are somehow entitled? Hope they feel that way when they pay in all their life, but receive nothing, because it is all gone.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 09/23/10 06:28 PM
None of that proves she didn't work.

And the social security system is set up so that it helps people. That is what it is suppose to do and that is what it does.

The only reason the social security system has any problems at all is because the government borrows from it.

There wouldn't be any problems if they would stop doing that.


mightymoe's photo
Thu 09/23/10 06:32 PM

None of that proves she didn't work.

And the social security system is set up so that it helps people. That is what it is suppose to do and that is what it does.

The only reason the social security system has any problems at all is because the government borrows from it.

There wouldn't be any problems if they would stop doing that.



where did she work?

70lookin4u2's photo
Thu 09/23/10 06:40 PM

None of that proves she didn't work.

And the social security system is set up so that it helps people. That is what it is suppose to do and that is what it does.

The only reason the social security system has any problems at all is because the government borrows from it.

There wouldn't be any problems if they would stop doing that.






There is also no proof she ever has. It does prove she is not currently. Social security was set up for "workers" and was later expanded to cover their families. Look it up. Why is it now paying people who have never worked? That's a different program... welfare.

It is broke because payments are going to those who have not paid in. Just imagine if you ran your finances that way, no income, but keep writing checks anyway.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 09/23/10 06:53 PM
There is no proof that she hasn't worked and because of her applying for asylum, she is protected by the DHS. So it may never come out.

Several news organizations described Onyango as an illegal immigrant although she apparently was issued a Social Security card in 2001, indicating she was legally present and authorized to work at that time.[42][43] [44]

The information that has been leaked so far is in violation of the DHS laws as it is.

Zeituni Onyango was granted a waiver of deportation on May 17, 2010 by the United States and is currently a legal resident.[51] Immigration Judge Leonard I. Shapiro granted Zeituni Onyango her lawyers Margaret Wong and Scott Bratton and her two doctors an extended hearing which lasted five hours. At the end Shapiro granted her legal residency and permission to work in the United States. She has Guillain Barre Syndrome which requires plasmapheresis which is extremely difficult to get in Kenya.

She is legally here now.

So that is that.

70lookin4u2's photo
Thu 09/23/10 06:55 PM
Yes it is. The American worker has another mouth to feed. What a victory.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 09/23/10 06:55 PM

There is no proof that she hasn't worked and because of her applying for asylum, she is protected by the DHS. So it may never come out.

Several news organizations described Onyango as an illegal immigrant although she apparently was issued a Social Security card in 2001, indicating she was legally present and authorized to work at that time.[42][43] [44]

The information that has been leaked so far is in violation of the DHS laws as it is.

Zeituni Onyango was granted a waiver of deportation on May 17, 2010 by the United States and is currently a legal resident.[51] Immigration Judge Leonard I. Shapiro granted Zeituni Onyango her lawyers Margaret Wong and Scott Bratton and her two doctors an extended hearing which lasted five hours. At the end Shapiro granted her legal residency and permission to work in the United States. She has Guillain Barre Syndrome which requires plasmapheresis which is extremely difficult to get in Kenya.

She is legally here now.

So that is that.


yea, a free ride on our dimes... that is that...

Dragoness's photo
Thu 09/23/10 06:57 PM
It ain't none of your dimes anyway.

Neither one of you pay any income taxes, you both get rebates.