did your meds just kick in or something? how do you know what i pay or don't pay?

Are you kidding me? Do you want to see my paystub? I pay plenty every week. I don't get any refund. What country are you from? Do you just believe what you read or hear in the news? I pay in plenty to social security, income tax, property tax, sales tax, gas tax, utilities tax. You MUST be joking.

eSP?

lol

i was lost on that one...

do you not pay taxes either d?

Hell Yeah I pay taxes...Everytime I buy anything with cash

Do you not have a deduction for social security on your paystub? Do you not get a letter in the mail every couple years showing your earnings, and what you would receive if retired or disabled? Do you get that back at the end of the year? Do you feel that money should go to someone who has not earned it?

yes, yes, no, no, by the way.

Actually there ara a lot stipulations. We RARELY give a lump sum and only when certain conditions are met or if circumstances support an exceptions case - which are legally described, either through the "Totalization Agreement" we have with a country, or based on some other existing legality.

Legislation WAS presented at the end of 2009 (I think) to review the ENTIRE law surrounding "Totalization Agreements". I think that came up becase of the "totalization agreement' Bush signed with Mexico WITHOUT Congressional oversight or even a presentation of the documents. It did not make to the floor in this past session.

This issue means 'fortunately' that the agreement with Mexico is NOT effective and for obvious reasons it could a devastating prospect. Hence the concern about how effective 'Totalization Agreements' really are.

Just wanted to let you know that these issues ARE a current legislative concern.

If she worked for the required period of time even IF illegally, and if SSI was deducted from her pay during that period (40 quarters, or 10 years, at a specified mimimum earnings) - the law IS that she be given SSI benefits, either upon retirement or in case of disability.

HOWEVER, unless a totalization agreement exists between her home country and the U.S., she does not have to be paid if she does not stay here OR under some other pre-defined set of circumstances.

But don't worry, she'll stay, becasue she has been granted asylum.

The legalities in this case are so complex that even to debat it (as a specific case) is rediculous.

BUT - as Dragoness has commented, it's not the CASE that holds her interest as much as it is the law and how it currently functions.

You know, all this piss'n and moan'n about who is getting SSI yet we let the government get away with a trillion dollars stolen from the bucket we all paid into.

And GUESS WHERE ALL THE DOCUMENTS WERE that had been requested in support of where all that money went????

WELL - they had recenently been transferred to the newly remodeled area of the Pentagon - JUST BEFORE it got totally demolished by a non-existent air plane on 9/11.

AMAZINGLY the government, who created LAWS that financial institutions HAVE to follow about backing up financial record systems OFF-SITE, had no secondary records, and no off-site storage.

So the QUESTION of what happened to all that money will never be answered. I guess instead of making the government accountable, the next best thing is to complain about WHO is getting a $700 a month distribution.

REALLY, does anyone here think that $700 a month will support them in 20 years? Well, it better, cos ya can't count on much of an increase, not when more than half the population is on it and only about half of the other percent are paying into it.

IF is a big word isn't it? IF they worked, IF they paid in. How many illegals are paying taxes? The fact remains that these programs, social security, welfare, unemployment, were set up as a safety net for workers, not a way of life. Where does the funding come from if not the taxpaying citizens? Where does the funding come from when someone receives benefits, but never paid in? You can't write a check with no income, but the government does it all the time. When did people start thinking that only the rich pay taxes?

It isn't the one getting it, it is the thousands upon thousands getting it that adds up.

Illegals do so pay taxes, they pay a large amount of taxes on this list plus paying into social security and income tax if they are using a social security number.'

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL License Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest Expense (tax on the money)
Inventory Tax I
RS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
Road Usage Taxes (truckers)
Sales Taxes
School Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Toll Bridge Taxes Toll
Tunnel Taxes
Trailer Registration
Tax Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers’ Compensation Tax

The social security would be fine if the government would stop borrowing from it.

How many of those taxes fund social security disability payments? Once again with the IF.

"if they are using a social security number.'


No fund can be fine when more withdraw from it than pay into it.

http://www.ctj.org/html/ssfund.htm

Q: How is the Social Security system funded?
A: The Social Security system is funded primarily by federal taxation of payrolls. All workers who are not self-employed currently pay 7.65 percent of their gross salary in Social Security taxes. The employer for these workers pays an additional 7.65 percent, for a total "payroll tax" of 15.3 percent of gross salary. In addition, self-employed workers are required to pay 15.3 percent of their self-employment income in payroll taxes, minus certain special deductions. The Social Security portion of this tax applies only to a limited amount of income; in 2005, this limit was $90,000. The limit is adjusted for inflation yearly, and the tax rate itself has been raised at irregular intervals over time. The combined tax rate has been 15.3 percent since 1990.


Last Updated 1/2/2006