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Topic: Who gave H permission to rewrite Decl. of Independence??
willing2's photo
Sat 09/18/10 07:37 AM
Edited by willing2 on Sat 09/18/10 07:38 AM
From Obama’s speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus on September 15, 2010:

“So let me close by saying this. Long before America was even an idea, this land of plenty was home to many peoples. To British and French, to Dutch and Spanish, to Mexican — (applause) — to countless Indian tribes. We all shared the same land. We didn’t always get along. But over the centuries, what eventually bound us together — what made us all Americans — was not a matter of blood, it wasn’t a matter of birth. It was faith and fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights: life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

The Preamble to the U.S. Declaration of Independence:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The word yer lookin' for, avoiding, is God.

There. Hope the name God offended the appropriate groups!
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Totalpranny's photo
Sat 09/18/10 07:47 AM
I unfortunately know little about the Declaration of Independence and the Founding Fathers (other than some, including Thomas Jefferson, were deists) but I think "Creator" was meant as a deliberately vague and generic term. If they meant God, surely they would have said "God" or "Our Lord" or something more specific. But anyway, I am happy to disappoint you by informing you that, as an agnostic, I am not offended in the slightest by the word "God", "Yahweh", "Allah" or any of its variations. I do believe however that religion and government should be kept as far away from each other as possible (that was the general idea I believe). Religion has no place outside the private sphere in my humble opinion. I have no problem with people believing and practicing their respective religions as long as it is not forced upon people i.e. compulsory prayer in school (there is no law preventing silent prayer as far as I know), adding the term "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance despite it not being there in its original form (a pledge written by a socialist preacher incidentally) and so on.

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/18/10 09:20 AM

From Obama’s speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus on September 15, 2010:

“So let me close by saying this. Long before America was even an idea, this land of plenty was home to many peoples. To British and French, to Dutch and Spanish, to Mexican — (applause) — to countless Indian tribes. We all shared the same land. We didn’t always get along. But over the centuries, what eventually bound us together — what made us all Americans — was not a matter of blood, it wasn’t a matter of birth. It was faith and fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights: life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

The Preamble to the U.S. Declaration of Independence:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The word yer lookin' for, avoiding, is God.

There. Hope the name God offended the appropriate groups!
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since most hispanics in america are catholic,,,I doubt he was concerned with offending,,,,

Lpdon's photo
Sat 09/18/10 09:34 AM

I unfortunately know little about the Declaration of Independence and the Founding Fathers (other than some, including Thomas Jefferson, were deists) but I think "Creator" was meant as a deliberately vague and generic term. If they meant God, surely they would have said "God" or "Our Lord" or something more specific. But anyway, I am happy to disappoint you by informing you that, as an agnostic, I am not offended in the slightest by the word "God", "Yahweh", "Allah" or any of its variations. I do believe however that religion and government should be kept as far away from each other as possible (that was the general idea I believe). Religion has no place outside the private sphere in my humble opinion. I have no problem with people believing and practicing their respective religions as long as it is not forced upon people i.e. compulsory prayer in school (there is no law preventing silent prayer as far as I know), adding the term "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance despite it not being there in its original form (a pledge written by a socialist preacher incidentally) and so on.


Serious? Being America was founded as a Christian Nation who wanted religious freedom from England and their Church and taxes.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 09/18/10 09:34 AM


From Obama’s speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus on September 15, 2010:

“So let me close by saying this. Long before America was even an idea, this land of plenty was home to many peoples. To British and French, to Dutch and Spanish, to Mexican — (applause) — to countless Indian tribes. We all shared the same land. We didn’t always get along. But over the centuries, what eventually bound us together — what made us all Americans — was not a matter of blood, it wasn’t a matter of birth. It was faith and fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights: life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

The Preamble to the U.S. Declaration of Independence:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The word yer lookin' for, avoiding, is God.

There. Hope the name God offended the appropriate groups!
slaphead rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl



since most hispanics in america are catholic,,,I doubt he was concerned with offending,,,,


Can we say profiling much?

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/18/10 09:39 AM



From Obama’s speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus on September 15, 2010:

“So let me close by saying this. Long before America was even an idea, this land of plenty was home to many peoples. To British and French, to Dutch and Spanish, to Mexican — (applause) — to countless Indian tribes. We all shared the same land. We didn’t always get along. But over the centuries, what eventually bound us together — what made us all Americans — was not a matter of blood, it wasn’t a matter of birth. It was faith and fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights: life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

The Preamble to the U.S. Declaration of Independence:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The word yer lookin' for, avoiding, is God.

There. Hope the name God offended the appropriate groups!
slaphead rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl



since most hispanics in america are catholic,,,I doubt he was concerned with offending,,,,


Can we say profiling much?



not at all, pretty easily researched actually

http://www.religionlink.com/tip_061204.php#Language

http://www.hispanic-culture-online.com/hispanic-religion.html

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/sp-spain/rel-religion

Lpdon's photo
Sat 09/18/10 09:58 AM




From Obama’s speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus on September 15, 2010:

“So let me close by saying this. Long before America was even an idea, this land of plenty was home to many peoples. To British and French, to Dutch and Spanish, to Mexican — (applause) — to countless Indian tribes. We all shared the same land. We didn’t always get along. But over the centuries, what eventually bound us together — what made us all Americans — was not a matter of blood, it wasn’t a matter of birth. It was faith and fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights: life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

The Preamble to the U.S. Declaration of Independence:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The word yer lookin' for, avoiding, is God.

There. Hope the name God offended the appropriate groups!
slaphead rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl



since most hispanics in america are catholic,,,I doubt he was concerned with offending,,,,


Can we say profiling much?



not at all, pretty easily researched actually

http://www.religionlink.com/tip_061204.php#Language

http://www.hispanic-culture-online.com/hispanic-religion.html

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/sp-spain/rel-religion


Ever heard of Richard Ramirez? He's hispanic and a Satanist oh and not to mention Serial Killer..........

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/18/10 10:02 AM





From Obama’s speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus on September 15, 2010:

“So let me close by saying this. Long before America was even an idea, this land of plenty was home to many peoples. To British and French, to Dutch and Spanish, to Mexican — (applause) — to countless Indian tribes. We all shared the same land. We didn’t always get along. But over the centuries, what eventually bound us together — what made us all Americans — was not a matter of blood, it wasn’t a matter of birth. It was faith and fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights: life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

The Preamble to the U.S. Declaration of Independence:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The word yer lookin' for, avoiding, is God.

There. Hope the name God offended the appropriate groups!
slaphead rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl



since most hispanics in america are catholic,,,I doubt he was concerned with offending,,,,


Can we say profiling much?



not at all, pretty easily researched actually

http://www.religionlink.com/tip_061204.php#Language

http://www.hispanic-culture-online.com/hispanic-religion.html

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/sp-spain/rel-religion


Ever heard of Richard Ramirez? He's hispanic and a Satanist oh and not to mention Serial Killer..........


than I would guess he is not part of the MOST referred to

'most hispanics in america are catholic'

willing2's photo
Sat 09/18/10 11:13 AM
H is offended with the name God.

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/18/10 12:21 PM
except for the hundreds of times he mentions God in his biography,,,lol

mightymoe's photo
Sat 09/18/10 12:28 PM

H is offended with the name God.

his muslim bro's don't like it

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/18/10 12:31 PM


H is offended with the name God.

his muslim bro's don't like it



than I am sure they LOVED his membership at the Trinity United Church of Christ for over twenty years,,

EquusDancer's photo
Sat 09/18/10 02:08 PM



The Preamble to the U.S. Declaration of Independence:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The word yer lookin' for, avoiding, is God.

There. Hope the name God offended the appropriate groups


Sorry, "God" is not my creator.

My parents are, however, but they aren't "God". So, Creator would be the word, not God.

However, since individuals choose to put those certain unalienable rights to use, Creator really doesn't even need to be mentioned.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 09/18/10 03:04 PM






From Obama’s speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus on September 15, 2010:

“So let me close by saying this. Long before America was even an idea, this land of plenty was home to many peoples. To British and French, to Dutch and Spanish, to Mexican — (applause) — to countless Indian tribes. We all shared the same land. We didn’t always get along. But over the centuries, what eventually bound us together — what made us all Americans — was not a matter of blood, it wasn’t a matter of birth. It was faith and fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights: life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

The Preamble to the U.S. Declaration of Independence:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

The word yer lookin' for, avoiding, is God.

There. Hope the name God offended the appropriate groups!
slaphead rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl



since most hispanics in america are catholic,,,I doubt he was concerned with offending,,,,


Can we say profiling much?



not at all, pretty easily researched actually

http://www.religionlink.com/tip_061204.php#Language

http://www.hispanic-culture-online.com/hispanic-religion.html

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/sp-spain/rel-religion


Ever heard of Richard Ramirez? He's hispanic and a Satanist oh and not to mention Serial Killer..........


than I would guess he is not part of the MOST referred to

'most hispanics in america are catholic'


I would say he's not.

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Sat 09/18/10 03:05 PM



H is offended with the name God.

his muslim bro's don't like it



than I am sure they LOVED his membership at the Trinity United Church of Christ for over twenty years,,


By a Pastor who preached a hatred of the United States.

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/18/10 04:30 PM




H is offended with the name God.

his muslim bro's don't like it



than I am sure they LOVED his membership at the Trinity United Church of Christ for over twenty years,,


By a Pastor who preached a hatred of the United States.



I heard no hatred, I heard truth,,,,something I mentioned earlier that some are unable to see when they look in their own mirror and only espouse when viewing others,,,

Lpdon's photo
Sat 09/18/10 04:31 PM





H is offended with the name God.

his muslim bro's don't like it



than I am sure they LOVED his membership at the Trinity United Church of Christ for over twenty years,,


By a Pastor who preached a hatred of the United States.



I heard no hatred, I heard truth,,,,something I mentioned earlier that some are unable to see when they look in their own mirror and only espouse when viewing others,,,


"Not God Bless the USA, God Damn the USA" Isn't hatred? Wow, blinded are we.

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Sat 09/18/10 04:34 PM
Edited by Lpdon on Sat 09/18/10 04:34 PM
Trust me, if I were at the sermon I would have got up, walked up to him and punched him in his big fat mouth before he would get another word out, and he wouldn't have gotten up for a good 30 minutes.

I'll be damned if someone $hit talks this nation that protects him.

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/18/10 04:54 PM






H is offended with the name God.

his muslim bro's don't like it



than I am sure they LOVED his membership at the Trinity United Church of Christ for over twenty years,,


By a Pastor who preached a hatred of the United States.



I heard no hatred, I heard truth,,,,something I mentioned earlier that some are unable to see when they look in their own mirror and only espouse when viewing others,,,


"Not God Bless the USA, God Damn the USA" Isn't hatred? Wow, blinded are we.



Im not blinded, being american, I can just be honest when I look in the mirror,,,,the full sentence was

'“God Bless America.” No, no, no. Not “God Bless America”; God Damn America! That’s in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God Damn America for treating her citizen as less than human. God Damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme! '


sounds like sound biblical teaching to me

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Sat 09/18/10 04:56 PM

Trust me, if I were at the sermon I would have got up, walked up to him and punched him in his big fat mouth before he would get another word out, and he wouldn't have gotten up for a good 30 minutes.

I'll be damned if someone $hit talks this nation that protects him.


yeah, this great nation where anyone who doesnt revile it like you do deserves your personal and violent wrath,,,,

I think that just kind of reinforces the whole POINT of the sermonlaugh laugh

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