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Topic: Cleric Anjem Choudary supports the Stoning of Homosexuals
willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 09/09/10 04:51 PM
Beware. Shariah headed to the US. They are warning ya'll how tolerant they are towards the Homosexuales. I get the sense they really don't like 'em much cuz, they ain't sayin' lez-be-friends. Can Muslims and Gays Coexist in Europe? by David J. Rusin • May 20, 2009 at 11:47 am http://www.islamist-watch.org/blog/2009/05/can-muslims-and-gays-coexist-in-europe In While Europe Slept, American Bruce Bawer describes how he moved to the Netherlands because of its vaunted tolerance for alternative lifestyles, only to find Islamist gangs attacking gays on Amsterdam streets. Three years after the book's publication, new evidence illuminates European Muslims' attitudes toward homosexuality and the challenges they pose. A survey by Dalia Mogahed's Gallup Center for Muslim Studies asked Muslims and non-Muslims in Britain, France, and Germany about their views on a number of issues, including whether they believe that homosexual acts are "morally acceptable or morally wrong": The French public is more likely than any other population polled to view homosexuality (78%) as morally acceptable. As points of comparison, 68% of Germans and 58% of Britons believe homosexuality is morally acceptable. Among European Muslim populations surveyed, the acceptability of homosexuality is highest among French Muslims (35%) and lowest among British Muslims (0%). The uniformity of the UK sample does stand out; has there ever been a poll in which everyone offered the same opinion on a controversial topic? However, the finding that Muslims are more critical than their non-Muslim counterparts is no surprise. Nor is it a grave concern on its own. Believing that others suffer punishment in the afterlife is very different than sending them there to face it. The problem is that, rather than "loving the sinner and hating the sin," some Muslim preachers cross the line by failing to condemn violence against gays — or even promoting it. For example, Bawer notes that in November 2007, "the deputy chairman of Norway's Islamic Council, Asghar Ali, refused to reject the death penalty for gays. When Senaid Kobilica, the head of the Islamic Council (which represents 60,000 Muslims), was asked where he stood on the question, he replied that he couldn't give a definitive answer until he got a ruling from the European Fatwa Council." Nine months later he was still waiting. In addition, there have been explicit justifications of violence against gays across Europe, including the UK. During a 2008 investigation of British mosques, "a female reporter infiltrated women's study circles. In one, a preacher using the name Umm Amira told followers: 'We are not going to be like animals … or to be like the homosexuals, God save us from that, you understand? We have to take the judgment; the judgment is to kill them.'" Extremist cleric Anjem Choudary also voiced support for the stoning of homosexuals in March 2009. Islamic leaders who excuse or even advocate anti-gay violence can turn Muslims' negative views of homosexuals, as documented by the Gallup survey, into a powder keg. It is these radical imams whom European governments must target. Are they ready and willing to do so? Bruce Bawer provides this discomfiting clue: the aforementioned Asghar Ali, who could not bring himself to renounce the execution of gays, sat "on the board of … the largest and most influential association within Norway's ruling Labor Party."

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 09/09/10 04:54 PM
the kkk supports jailing homosexuals not as extreme as killing them,, but goes to show that kind of bigotry and hatred isnt so far removed from our own country,,,

TonkaTruck3 Joined Fri 02/12/10 Posts: 852	Thu 09/09/10 04:55 PM
Well, maybe thats one issue I can see eye to eye with them on!!

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 09/09/10 04:57 PM
the kkk supports jailing homosexuals not as extreme as killing them,, but goes to show that kind of bigotry and hatred isnt so far removed from our own country,,, If they aren't allowed to kill homosexuals, the extremist Muslims will get upset and our troops could be in danger.

Thorb Joined Mon 06/28/10 Posts: 505	Thu 09/09/10 05:08 PM Edited by Thorb on Thu 09/09/10 05:13 PM
Just shows to go ya that morals are not universal also surveys depend a great deal on how they are conducted and howmany people are polled. I never just jump on any survey band wagon. besides ... didn't Bob Dylan years ago tell us that "Everybody must get Stoned"

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Thu 09/09/10 05:10 PM
so whats the problem here?

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Thu 09/09/10 05:15 PM
so whats the problem here? I think maybe we are supposed to hate muslims because their violent and bigoted wingnuttery is a bit more mainstream in their culture than our violent and bigoted wingnuttery is?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 09/09/10 05:21 PM
so whats the problem here? I think maybe we are supposed to hate muslims because their violent and bigoted wingnuttery is a bit more mainstream in their culture than our violent and bigoted wingnuttery is? I think so,, all the anti muslim sentiment in these forums lately is very disappointing and brings to my mind the bigoted era that others have lived through in this country,,,,, I feel for the peaceful and law abiding muslims in this country,, I fear for them too,,,

MiddleEarthling Joined Tue 08/18/09 Posts: 1911	Thu 09/09/10 05:24 PM Edited by MiddleEarthling on Thu 09/09/10 05:24 PM
I think it's great that the RW are coming to the gay's defense...I am very impressed! GFY! (Good for You)

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Thu 09/09/10 05:32 PM
so whats the problem here? I think maybe we are supposed to hate muslims because their violent and bigoted wingnuttery is a bit more mainstream in their culture than our violent and bigoted wingnuttery is? I think so,, all the anti muslim sentiment in these forums lately is very disappointing and brings to my mind the bigoted era that others have lived through in this country,,,,, I feel for the peaceful and law abiding muslims in this country,, I fear for them too,,,

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Thu 09/09/10 05:33 PM
so whats the problem here? I think maybe we are supposed to hate muslims because their violent and bigoted wingnuttery is a bit more mainstream in their culture than our violent and bigoted wingnuttery is? glad to see your coming around....

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Thu 09/09/10 05:34 PM
so whats the problem here? I think maybe we are supposed to hate muslims because their violent and bigoted wingnuttery is a bit more mainstream in their culture than our violent and bigoted wingnuttery is? I think so,, all the anti muslim sentiment in these forums lately is very disappointing and brings to my mind the bigoted era that others have lived through in this country,,,,, I feel for the peaceful and law abiding muslims in this country,, I fear for them too,,, no sympathy here...

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Thu 09/09/10 06:06 PM
glad to see your coming around.... Can you elaborate?

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Thu 09/09/10 06:06 PM Edited by massagetrade on Thu 09/09/10 06:07 PM
duplicate

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 09/09/10 06:25 PM Edited by willing2 on Thu 09/09/10 06:27 PM
so whats the problem here? I think maybe we are supposed to hate muslims because their violent and bigoted wingnuttery is a bit more mainstream in their culture than our violent and bigoted wingnuttery is? I think so,, all the anti muslim sentiment in these forums lately is very disappointing and brings to my mind the bigoted era that others have lived through in this country,,,,, I feel for the peaceful and law abiding muslims in this country,, I fear for them too,,, no sympathy here... Last incident I heard that included Redneck and stoning is one passing a party bowl around. This one shares a bit of extreme sentiment and I don't believe he's in the Klan. > We have to take the judgment; the judgment is to kill them.'" Extremist cleric Anjem Choudary also voiced support for the stoning of homosexuals in March 2009.

TonkaTruck3 Joined Fri 02/12/10 Posts: 852	Thu 09/09/10 06:58 PM
The funny part is, the left wing nutjobs support Islamics, but Islamics hate homosexuals, and the left supports homosexuals. They sure are confused bunch

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Fri 09/10/10 12:41 AM
The funny part is, the left wing nutjobs support Islamics, but Islamics hate homosexuals, and the left supports homosexuals. They sure are confused bunch they confuse themselves with their own idiocracy.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 09/10/10 12:55 AM
christianity doesnt exactly EMBRACE homosexuality either,,, but christians support the idea of peace and so do muslims

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Fri 09/10/10 01:19 AM
christianity doesnt exactly EMBRACE homosexuality either,,, but christians support the idea of peace and so do muslims yea-thats why the muslims are waring in every country they are in...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 09/10/10 01:47 AM
christianity doesnt exactly EMBRACE homosexuality either,,, but christians support the idea of peace and so do muslims yea-thats why the muslims are waring in every country they are in... who is Turkey, Bahrain, Tunisia, Malaysia,,etc,,, warring with?