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Topic: What is a belief?
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Wed 10/06/10 04:32 PM
I've got nothing.Sowwwy!:( No!wait...ba-da-bump.Tsssss!lmaolaugh

metalwing's photo
Wed 10/06/10 04:48 PM
Do you believe in magic in a young girl's heart
How the music can free her, whenever it starts
And it's magic, if the music is groovy
It makes you feel happy like an old-time movie
I'll tell you about the magic, and it'll free your soul
But it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock and roll

If you believe in magic don't bother to choose
If it's jug band music or rhythm and blues
Just go and listen it'll start with a smile
It won't wipe off your face no matter how hard you try
Your feet start tapping and you can't seem to find
How you got there, so just blow your mind

If you believe in magic, come along with me
We'll dance until morning 'til there's just you and me
And maybe, if the music is right
I'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night
And we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see
How the magic's in the music and the music's in me

Yeah, do you believe in magic
Yeah, believe in the magic of a young girl's soul
Believe in the magic of rock and roll
Believe in the magic that can set you free
Ohh, talking 'bout magic

Do you believe like I believe Do you believe in magic
Do you believe like I believe Do you believe, believer
Do you believe like I believe Do you believe in magic
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Wed 10/06/10 07:15 PM

How would you define the term "belief?" Most people operate under the assumption that their beliefs are true and accurate...Don't you think?


a belief? a reasoning to formulate an idea, or a collection of ideas that comprise a reasoning.



Brown66's photo
Thu 10/07/10 09:44 AM
We are nt an isolation to our belief system.it goes a long way to affect our value system.wat u belief is what u have a deep knowledge about and the knowledge convince u beyond reason doubt that is true then u have a belief.it subjectivd

Brown66's photo
Thu 10/07/10 09:46 AM
Are u rapping.asking u abt belief?

alain45's photo
Fri 10/08/10 11:26 AM


To believe is making an assumption that makes us feel right even when circumstances prove us wrong. So believers spend their infinitisimal time on earth seeking an equilibrium between what they think is right and what they see is wrong with them and with others.

Then, beliefs bring about judgments. (I am right, he is wrong). So, I decide to pursue my course with all of the upheavals this can create for me and others. Action always brings about reaction.

Yet, our knowledge base is infinitisimal. 'A grain of sand in the ocean of immensity' said Pascal.

We cannot come to grips with the concept of infinity. This concept evades us.

First, our definition of time is first and foremost linked to our limited time on earth which we are in a position to control, thanks to our ability to choose our own course at many crossroads..If we are sufficiently alert to see them and act upon rightly or wrongly. It all depends on the source (s) of our decision making process. Was the source emanating from instinctual fear of suffering or death, was it the result of our repeated behaviour resulting from our youth or adult experiences, was it from faith we finally gave to our senses over and above our physical ones?

Second, we are unable to understand the concept of immateriality. We are constrained to a physical body that needs to survive, with food, shelter, and health to maintain our ability to preserve our 5 senses required to survive. Seeking the vital minimum already consumes most of our time on earth, whether we enjoy what we do or not.

These two factors, combined, explain why beliefs are so important to the humanity. They enable people to make assumptions as to their purpose and destiny on earth. Be it for the right or wrong. Again, is there a right or a wrong when we at least know that the earth and the solar system will disappear the day that the sun implodes.

Meanwhile, Socrates deserves to be thanked. He preferred death to sacrifying the laws of the city so badly needed to interpret collectively right or wrong beliefs.





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Fri 10/08/10 07:38 PM
Beliefs beliefs based on perceptions, and perceptions are reality. How you perceive something to be is the reality you base all beliefs and decisions on. So......you can't form or change a belief until you change your perception.smokin

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Sat 10/09/10 04:30 AM
Kempt4, I share your understanding about the link between beliefs and perceptions.

My perceptions dictacte my reality...but only my own. They are not THE reality because these perceptions stem from very little and often deceptive knowledge. Perceptions are thus made out of assumptions.

This explain wars and jails, but it also explains positive creativity and parenthood for instance.

This is why society needs a set of evolving rules that defines the right and the wrong. These rules help an individual to change his perceptions, if required, thus his beliefs and underlying assumptions.

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Sun 10/10/10 11:56 AM
Broken or misinformed logic is a downfall of ignorance and poor research. Rules based in belief that are not open to change, as new information becomes available, are the cause of much of the tyranny and bloodshed in history....and occupies much of the present on the global stage.

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Sun 10/10/10 08:24 PM


A rule or set of rules based on deep seeded conviction rather than empirical observation or direct evidence.


This would be true if the term "belief" was referencing something like a religious ideal.

However, the OP did not connect belief with religion.

Much of what we consider to be fact based on empirical observation, has a way of changing over time.

It's difficult to get away from the word 'believe' in our modern world, so it's beneficial if everyone understood that there are two ways in which the word is used.

There are those beliefs that can fit into the definition as quoted above.

There is also another way to define belief, specifically as it is used throughout the scientific community.

Science, technology, and medicine, advances by using pre-existing data that has been through a rigerous process of testing and peer review. This data often provides a foundation on which new theories may be formulated.

In that case, it may be said, "we believe that data to have a strong foundation for builing upon."

But it is not the same kind of belief, because when it comes to science, it's not only accepted that theories may be changed, or modified, it is expected - which why science does not try to prove hypotheses or theories rather, they try very vigorously to disprove those things.

So I think, how one defines belief, must take into consideration, how the word is being applied.



I kind of agree. The OP wasn't specific enough. If I asked everyone to define "can" we could run into the same problem.

Some might say it is the ability to do something. I can walk. I can speak and so on.

Others might say it is a container used to hold some substance. A can of soda or something like that.


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Wed 10/13/10 05:32 AM
Edited by GreenEyes48 on Wed 10/13/10 05:48 AM
I think...feel...and believe that cats are cute. I believe that dogs are cute too but they require too much maintenance for me...I think...feel...believe that sit-coms have too much sarcasm...Our beliefs are a reflection of "who we are" and our likes and dislikes....I think we go by our "gut feelings" and what seems to "ring true" for us on personal levels when we form our beliefs...Some things excite us and other things bore us to death...When I listen to political debates both candidates may seem "fake" and bore me beyond description...or one of them may "reach me" by saying something that is of utmost importance to me...

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Thu 10/14/10 09:36 AM
be·lief

be·lief [bi leef]
(plural be·liefs)
n
1. acceptance of truth of something: acceptance by the mind that something is true or real, often underpinned by an emotional or spiritual sense of certainty
e.g. belief i n an afterlife

2. trust: confidence that somebody or something is good or will be effective
e.g.belief in democracy

3. something that somebody believes in: a statement, principle, or doctrine that a person or group accepts as true

4. opinion: an opinion, especially a firm and considered one

5. religious faith: faith in God or in a religion's gods


[12th century. Alteration of Old English gelēafa after believe ]

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Thu 11/25/10 06:59 AM
A belief is a factless idea much like faith.

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Fri 11/26/10 06:01 PM
I think...feel...and believe that cats are cute.


Is your feeling based on empirical (physical) experience with all kinds of cats? Have you ever come in contact with a lion & did you first feel that the lion was cute and then think about all other animals in the cat family before forming your belief that all cats are cute?

I believe that dogs are cute too but they require too much maintenance for me


Some dogs are small and can be trained to use a litter box, and automatic feeding and water canisters are available. Do you still believe dogs require too much maintenance?

...I think...feel...believe that sit-coms have too much sarcasm...


How do you ‘feel’ about sarcasm, other than it can be used too much? Is sarcasm offensive to you in some way?

What value do you hold which sarcasm might offend? When something offends an individual it is usually because some value an individual holds makes that thing offensive.

In that case, the individual is making a judgment call based on a previous belief (something the person values). The value is the belief, while the situation in which sarcasm is used is compared to that belief in order to form a judgment about that particular use of sarcasm.

If I said there is never a place for sarcasm, it’s not because I “believe” there is never a place for sarcasm rather, that I believe (perhaps) that all forms of communication should be taken more seriously and that humor should be completely obvious and never demeaning or below the intelligence of the audience being communicated with.

Our beliefs are a reflection of "who we are" and our likes and dislikes


Combined with the other quotes above, this one would indicate that you think likes and dislikes are a matter of belief.

That’s ok, but that idea does not conform to more common definitions of belief. Most people would view likes and dislikes as a matter of personal preference or interest that can vary with experience and can be fleeting.

A person may have absolutely no ‘beliefs’ regarding a particular person, place, or thing but still have an interest in it, or even a preference (like/dislike) toward it.

....I think we go by our "gut feelings" and what seems to "ring true" for us on personal levels when we form our beliefs


I think our ‘gut feelings’ are driven by heuristics. A heuristic is mental shortcut, sometimes considered a ‘rule of thumb’ that has formed through personal experiences and helps the individual make a quick assessment of a person, thing, or situation in order to determine the next move regarding it. Heuristics are not necessarily based on deep seeded beliefs but on expereinces which may have affected us emotionally.

If I had a good experience in my childhood with domesticated cats, I may tend to think that all cats are cute. When I see a cat or kitten in any situation I “feel” good about it and think the cat is cute. If my experience had included cats that were mean, I might see a cat and go in the other direction. If my experience was with unhealthy cats or long haired cats that constantly require physical attention, I might think that cats are cute but they require too much attention.

Those feelings/preferences are not beliefs that are related to deeper values. A deeper value would be something akin to how ancient Egyptians valued cats as a religious icon.

…Some things excite us and other things bore us to death...When I listen to political debates both candidates may seem "fake" and bore me beyond description...or one of them may "reach me" by saying something that is of utmost importance to me...


What “reaches” you? – something you’re interested in knowing more about, or something that affects a deeply held value? In other words, if a politician said in an interview, “cats are ok, but they’re way too much work and too time intensive for me”. Would that be a deal breaker when it comes to your vote?

Those are some reasons why confusion exists when a term is used contrary to more common definitions without enough context surrounding the term to clearly represent it and make it understood.

So if you want to think that likes and dislikes are equal to deep seeded values, that’s ok too – but some people, like me, would argue that point – and I just did, but it’s all relevant to the individual – neither of us is wrong or right, it’s just a matter of perspective.

I think most babies of any living creature are cute, and some adult animals are ugly, or even fearsome creatures, BUT, I value all of them and “believe” in accordance with that value, that each is unique and serves to maintain the ecological balance within the environment we all share.

So whether I like or dislike any particular creature, or think one is cuter than another, or have a pre-existent heuristic reaction to an animal, those things are not reflections of my “belief” – how I treat these animals, or consider my interaction with the environment I share with them, IS a reflection of my “belief” and that (to me) is “who I want to be”, and who I am is less a matter of fleeting likes or dislikes, and more a matter of deeply rooted values that tend to change little over time.

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Fri 11/26/10 10:42 PM
This is a tuff one. To me belief is what makes us unique. Belief is a good thing; we all need to believe in something. Wasn’t it John Mellencamp that sung, “You got to believe in something before you fall for anything”?
I once believed in Santa Claus. I bet you did too. At that time I believed that my feelings for Santa Claus were true and accurate. I think the bigger question is; why do beliefs change?

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Wed 12/29/10 12:13 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 12/29/10 12:14 PM

How would you define the term "belief?" Most people operate under the assumption that their beliefs are true and accurate...Don't you think?
By definition one must accept a belief as true, as a belief is an idea that is held to be true by that individual.

Its the justification for the belief that is either rigorous, or superfluous(for those that cannot arrange their thinking critically), or non-existent in the case of irrational beliefs.




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