im actually taking a class with a psychic who works for the police up here to help me awaken my abilities more and taking a workshop on ghosts and entities as well. the atmosphere in my house has calmed down a lot.

Great! I'm glad that helped. I sat with a psychic one night and we sent some spirits "home". Sometimes the spirit passes so quickly they don't even know they are dead. That frequently happens when there is a big accident. This woman I was working with was just so sweet to these spirits. She just talked to them. I remember her saying, "Honey, haven't you noticed that no one is talking to you?" She was funny but it worked. She would say when two or more are gathered together that a shaft of life appears between the two and acts like a lighthouse attracting spirits. I think they recognize the individuals who can talk to them. After all they have a much clearer picture of our auras from their side then we have from ours. Good luck to you. Hope you are able to send your incarnate friends home.

The first thing that comes to mind are questions, like:

Where do spirits come from? For example do spirits exist only as a by-product of a physical life form?

That bring up a kind of chicken and the egg question - Which came first the spirit or the physical?

Obviously some people believe that spirits exist apart from, or not bound to, a physical form.

Since the spiritual realm is not part of the physical there is no objective way to gain empirical evidence about anything called the spiritual.

Therefore, any human that claims to have such information, makes the claim from a purely subjective position.

That means anyone could report anything and no matter how outlandish it may seem, those who believe in the spirit world would have to believe it - unless it could be proved false.

But the only possible way (at this point) to prove that a subjective claim about the spiritual world is false is to compare it to some other individual's claim, the only difference of which is that the claim is from a different individual's perspective.

So the point is that if some spirit, whether it was once in physical form or not, is somehow lost - why would that spirit require or even think to ask someone in the physical realm for help????

Be that as it may - there is another reason to question why a spirit would ask someone from the physical realm to help them. Might it be kind of like the pedofile who approaches children with a story about being lost, or sick and so the child's help is needed?

If there are spirits, then it makes sense that there is a realm to which they belong. It also makes sense that if, even some, spirits were once in physical form that there is somthing beyond the physical realm that is just as 'universally' organized as the physical realm.

In that case, there should be plenty of help that can be sought in the spiritual realm. It would be illogical for any spirit to consult with the physical realm about how to maneuver in the spiritual realm.

At best, what could be communicated to the spiritual realm from the physical realm would be any one of an infinate number of subjective ideas.

So - after thinking about all this, I've decided if any spirit ever contacts me, I'm going to suggest that the spirit look for other spirits and perhaps together they can figure it all out. At the very least two spirits have a lot more in common than one spirit and all of the humans in the physical realm put together.

true enough! however i DO think that as HUMAN BEINGS we place a lot of silly restrictions on ourselves and what we are capable of doing. if these silly restrictions werent in place then maybe we wouldnt carry some absurd notions (such as, imho, people who think they are going to be punished or judged based on their life prior to death)past our life here on earth. i believe a lot of the karmic debt we take upon ourselves in life comes not from just our actions but also from these guidelines we place upon ourselves-which in reality dont really exist except in our own mind and in cases of more popular beliefs within societys mind. think of a suicidal victim (and yes i say victim - though sometimes it is true i view suicide as an active choice of will (envision ppl jumping from the world trade centers windows CHOOSING their own form of death over whats been dealt to them))who was quite possibly within so much emotional pain that well hell now that they are dead why would they want to go be around the same kind of things that made them so miserable in the first place - this is a strict for instance from my ponderings of an "what -if" situation not intended to offend or hurt anyone. another might be the mr dad who is driving and doesnt see the oncoming vehicle instantly and inadvertandtly kills himself and family in the car - maybe he is in such pain or grief or confusion (just as happens when youre still alive) that he finds himself unable to move forward (just as can happen in real life). maybe hes living in a fantasy world. or maybe hes afraid of being judged by his god or others for this tragic error that he hides from moving forward in life. maybe more realistically its a child that doesnt understand whats going on or where they should go. surely there are plenty of lost confused living children today. maybe its a spouse or a mother wanting to wait for their children but afraid of all theyll miss if they were to cross over.maybe spirits think they wont be able to finish their business or get msgs across to dear ones when they cross over...anyway im rambling here...

i think as human beings we are put on this earthly realm to develop our sense of compassion and love to a higher degree...for all things...just not those we deem fitting....because i, personally, in my rarely humble opinions, believe it is the way of the universe and as nature/the great spirit/ and our higher selfs intended it.

so my personal creed is that love is the spirit of my life and light is a gift and my personal great covenant is to dwell with others in peace to seek the truth in love and to remember always to help one another. its pretty simple and it may be a head in the clouds philosophy but it works for me and im totally down with that lol.

anyway i find myself way off track.

whatever is ones reality might not be anothers - does this carry on for us past death? theres really no answer because even if when we die and find out for ourselves its still our peronal journey with nuances and vast differences both from any other person. all we have to go off is our own personal reality. in mine, and really most ppl who came live with me for awhile lol, spirits of many kinds and different levels exist and i enjoy living with them peacefully as i view our "residents" as family too. its always easier to prove something does exist than to prove nonexistence. in any field. but no one ever said proving it would be easy. and this thread is not intended to prove either.
either way, as everyone else i have my own personal beliefs...and am lucky enough to have peace of mind over them

it sounds like she had great compassion and wonderful humor that in a loving way got a point realistically across. what a wonderful find in a person. my mother/grandmother are/were of the same philosophy in that:
- spirits are attracted to other spirits creating sometimes what can seem like a busy airport terminal
- spirits are also attracted to people they think can sense them percieving a brighter beacon of light and thus liek a moth to the flame etc...

most of the spirits in the latter category tend to be a little lost, maybe in the "for instance" you described above regarding accidents, and most dont realize that
a) you dont know them
b) you may not be able to understand them
c) you cant really do anything other than try to encourage them to go into the light, as you helpfully reminded me, of their own absolute decision so they can find the next steps of their journey and if needed healing.

readers: i am speaking mainly of your "benign" spirits btw.

Just because you dont understand something doesnt make it "not true". Your trying to argue something isnt true because it doesnt make sense to you or because you havent had any experience with it. This would be like taking the position that being "in love" isnt real because you have never been in love.
Why would spirits come to people for help? Spirits could be separated by multiple dimensions or layers. I believe we all have free will including spirits. So some spirits could find themselves in an area they put themselves in by choice that has contact with humans but many spirits in that area are in a state of confusion or lack of understanding and now that dont know how to get out of it.
Why couldnt psychics be real if everything in the universe breaks down to energy and vibration? Could there not be those that are sensitive to that vibration and other vibrations?? I believe everything in the universe has vibration including people and spirits! You may not be sensitive to these vibrations, but that does not mean others couldnt be.

spirit guides most especially

3? I'm dealing with an entire crowd here...indeed the "all talking to me at once" thing..I can relate to that..you have to make a point that you need to rest and your mind is not a revolving door for them to use.
By the way, the spirits in general are pissed off lately..no one in particular, but just how things are with life and humanity.

the same anna nicole that died from a prescription overdose, right?

After reading the rest this post, it would seem that the ‘restrictions’ referred to are beliefs, like beliefs that might encompass the ‘spiritual realm’.

For example:
In the quote above there are two variations of beliefs which both include karma. One belief is thought to be absurd because the other belief is that karma does exist relative to cause and effect, but it is more immediate, occurring in the current existence.

However, the karma, labeled as absurd, which might be related to believes that surround Eastern philosophy/beliefs, is not really all that different. Individuals pass from one life into another – this is not a NEW individual(or soul) only a new physical form.

Therefore, the rules of karma that are applied in the next quote are really the same rules as the absurd karma.



With a better understanding of the two beliefs about karma (the one that is absurd, and the one directly above we can see that they are both beliefs and that they both employ the ‘same restrictions’. Both sets of believers probably see the other as absurd.



Returning to the above :

REPLY>>> it would seem that the ‘restrictions’ referred to are beliefs, like beliefs that might encompass the ‘spiritual realm’. <<<

Science does not deal with things that do not ‘effect’ the physical realm because they are non-physical, so ideas about spirits, souls, and a spiritual realm, cannot be measured, as in quantified or qualified empirically (physically).

Therefore, anything that people believe about spirits, souls, and a spiritual realm, can not be verified by anything other than the acceptance of one individuals beliefs by another individual.

So if >>> the ‘restrictions’ referred to are beliefs, <<< and beliefs encompass the ‘spiritual realm’ then any belief in karma or the continuance of ‘soul’ or ‘spirit’ after death would have to be restrictions that people place on themselves – so the belief in lost spirits is likewise a restriction of mind.

I may not be making the proper connections here so it won’t offend me at all if anyone wants to highlight my errors.



There are a lot maybe’s here but they all seem to be grounded in ‘beliefs’ for which there is no verifiable evidence, even the spirit did not relate it’s reasonings therefore, the belief must be purely a product of mind (simply meaning, not physical).



The creed is lovely and anyone with this ‘personal’ philosophy/belief can be capable of making life better for a lot people.

I also agree with the idea that humans do tend to place a lot of restrictions on themselves and that those restrictions can limit their capabilities and are a ‘product of mind’ in as much as the restrictions stem from the ‘beliefs’ that people might hold and not from anything that exists in the physical realm.



Actually there is no proof required by any individual to substantiate their beliefs. A personal belief is just that - it’s personal. It’s personal because it’s unique; no one in the world has the same beliefs as any other individual.

Personal beliefs, in and of themselves, create restrictions that the individual places upon him or herself. Beliefs cannot be eclectic to the point of encompassing ALL beliefs. Therefore, restrictions the individual suffers take two forms.

First, the restriction creates an automatic bias against those who do not hold the same beliefs, such as relating one belief of karma as absurd, while the individual perspective of karma is thought to be a sound belief.

Secondly, beliefs can inhibit new knowledge if the new information proves to be oppositional to other beliefs an individual holds. This can cause individuals to justify beliefs with irrational or illogical statements: such as “its always easier to prove something does exist than to prove nonexistence in any field.”

There is no way to prove or disprove any beliefs grounded in the non-physical. We can prove something exists by observing its physical nature or the interaction (cause and effect) between physical objects. This is why ‘beliefs’ in the non-physical are completely subjective, anyone can belief anything when there is no proof.

All of that is not problematic to the individual who holds the belief however, it is problematic to those against whom the belief presents a bias. It is also problematic when the ‘personal’ belief is used to encourage the development of new beliefs in others.

That’s how we get a world in which the unfounded personal beliefs become belief systems under which adversity, distrust, prejudice, and so on, flourishes.

Beliefs tend to place restrictions of mind on individuals by inhibiting thought process that might otherwise show how a belief can be diametrically opposed to the values an individual uses to support the belief.
For example:


And


Do not correspond with holding any particular spiritual beliefs because those beliefs cause restrictions of mind, such as the bias. Also, the exchange of ‘personally’ formulated beliefs only adds more elements of belief which further restricts the mind of other individuals by inhibiting new knowledge. Thus, creating the need to formulate irrational or illogical justifications, which serve to propagate more beliefs creating more bias and prejudice.

These are just my opinionated conclusions based on what I’ve learned through basic studies, many years of interacting with our diverse society, and through observation of current events. Although my intensions are, at least, as honorable as any other honorable intension, there is no doubt my own bias has been interwoven here.

Actually, my intension was to show how any belief, no matter how benign it may seem on the outside, can be harmful and destructive despite the values of “love, understanding, and acceptance” that often seem to accompany such beliefs. But I think I’ve made that more apparent in my post before this one.



All of this information is not ‘common’ knowledge, it is purely subjective belief. Like any other metaphysical belief, the components that comprise a personal belief system, have been added for the utility they offer in supporting previous elements of the belief.

For example, why is it necessary to vocalize when speaking to a spirit?
They have no sensory organs – they are spirit.

What exactly are multiple dimensions or layers? If a spirit was capable of giving that much information where is the detail?

Of course there are always more problematic issues. For example from another post,



Here is a spirit that is so confused it hasn’t even recognized that it has no sensory organs - yet it hears and comprehends the spoken words of a physical being.

At what level does emotion exist in the spirit world? Is there jealousy, prejudice, fear, hate, love, desire, selfishness, patience, greed, hunger, anger….?

Why is the spirit world called ‘home’. Sending a spirit home – what does that mean?

Why should we know how to help spirits? If we can consult spirits to get all this other information about their realm, why can’t they help themselves?

They’re confused? It seems more logical to assume that ‘spirits’ who are ‘going home’ were spirits before they were human. Since the human body is limited to only a short physical existence that would mean the spirit has a heck of a lot more “cross-realm” experience with other life existences which should far surpass what any human can possibly know. Yet the spirit is ‘confused’.

Does the spirit world conform to some kind of linear thought process? Maybe it's a totally emotional existence? Or is thought abstact and multidimensional?



What causes vibration? What is required to make something vibrate? What is energy? What is light? What is velocity and what gives anything in the known universe velocity? What is gravity and what causes it? What is meant by spacetime?



Why do you think that? Can you explain how a vibration in our physical world is like a vibration in a non-physical realm?

Would someone who is so sensitive to vibrations also sense weather patterns, earthquakes, meteor showers all around the world?

The earth is, after all, just a very teeny – teeny tiny little closed system. So it would make sense that one who is so 'sensitive' to vibrations on a more universal level as to feel non-physical spiritual vibrations, would be extraordinarily well equipped to be an early warning system to billions of people here on earth.

I mean we’re only here for a short time and we have an eternity to be spirits – so why not use all that love, compassion, and desire to help others, by putting that sensitivity to use right here?

I'm just asking, who know's someone reading might think "I never thought of that" the hope is that what followes would be some valid research in understanding a little more about the thinks they speak of.

But there's always the possibility that new components will be added to the beliefs that already out there. I mean really, has anyone looked up the documented history of psychic's - sensitives - and the spirit realm, to find out when people started referring to spiritual things in terms of vibraions, multiple dimensions, energy? Amazing how those spirits stay right on top of advances in the physical human realm.

Spiritual beliefs evolve, as if keeping pace with science and technology, making it more believable to those who have no understanding of the hi-tech, multi-fasceted, and complex advances in being made in those fields.

yeah ive noticed that theres more anger and tension in the environment. early this year i actually woke up from a child scratching me and bled for a good five minutes. trent even took pics of it. however it was a one time instance. most i notice are just very disgruntled.
this is the first year,ferenc, in my whole life that things actually wouldnt stop being loud or go away no matter how i asked them or put my foot down. when that happens i smudge with white sage and have a friend of ours that is a priest bless our home. since ive posted this ive been guided to do some very grounding meditations to help regain control of my environment. theyve worked phenomenally well. i used to do variations of this meditation, especially before bed, a few years back and had success with it, however i never thought of it this year. this mor eintense one has really helped enable me to calm my whole environment which has been a HUGE blessing. activity is higher, but im able to tamper it down and deal with what i opt to deal with in my own time. thanks for the great advice

yep lol. im not saying i put merit into it. i just remember finding it an outrageous tabloid attention getter

im going to apologize in advance for waiting until tomorrow or the weekend to adress your above posts. im multitasking tonight and want to take time to think on what id like to say and more on questions youve aroused in my mind.
however in scanning your posts this popped out. actually in my experience there are lots of people (and children included) in todays world that do "use all that love, compassion, and desire to help others, by putting that sensitivity to use right here". as there have been throughout history. im going to adress this later but wanted to post this as a reminder to myself too.

paradox tends to approach his views as research and since he analyzes everything he takes a slightly different viewpoint than myself. i on the other hand find my own truths through my own intuition and and maybe some stuff i pick up along the way in my search for my own peronal truths and beliefs. so in my mind its more of a philosophical discussion and one im really enjoying. i have to head out for tonight but ill check in soon with some new posts

Just walk around the house naked and demand that the spirit make the walls bleed...that oughtta do it.

one thing bothered me while i was driving home. as humans in todays world we put too much responsibility on others...please fix this for me...please do that...please have all the answers. no one has all the answers and i think life is about finding our own answers. id like to think were put here on earth to learn to think for ourselves and to learn to help ourselves through the act of helping others. were here to learn and to grow as individuals and when/if possible as a whole in my mind.sorry i just couldnt get this off my mind tonight

the other thing that bothered me is you wonder why ppl talk aloud to spirits...its because its one of the most basic ways the majority of the population of humans on earth communicate. its actually not needed in communicating with the spirit realm. most of it isnt communicated that way anyway but ratherin will, intent, thought, and symbols in my mind. also this is not something that is singular to a select group of ppl...everyone has this capability. each persons capability is also unique...kind of like a fingerprint...there are similarities...but it is unique. for me speaking aloud sometimes gives me strength and resolve in getting my points across...or if im in front of other ppl i deem it polite. also if they see how im choosing to communicate then they can follow my thought pattern more easily, which may in turn inspire them to individualize their own form of future communication.

ill have to read this page of the thread again in the morning but i couldnt shut my mind off tonight without spilling these words out of me lol. hope everyone has an enjoyable evening and wonderful day tomorrow. hopefully my mind will be more with it tomorrow. night all

lol - yea, someone made some money from it...

One of my favorite posts, EVER!

Sounds like your initial problem was solved very nicely. Thanks for sharing your experience with us.