I agree beware the "norms" man...thats true insanity

The norms man? who is that?

It might not be intentional, but that is what he is doing. Or he is just moving on. Maybe he decided that his kids came first or something.

I don't know the guy, but even after you got annoyed and confused by him, knowing that he will likely not offer the companionship that you want, you are still willing to be friends with him. I have to ask, why?

I've been to Huntington Beach... I remember it as being one of the most laid back places I've visited... The women are hawt and demanding, the guys are flaky and aloof and the cops are huge with bad attitudes...


It is what it is! Be patient!

And many women do not want to play those kind of games. If you're into her, let her know. If you say you'll call, do it. Games get old quickly.

Because I really am a friendly person, just lookin to chill with peeps, Im kind of a more the merrier type of gal. I dont hold grudges. I do get confused though by certain behavior, based on our convos I am sure he wasnt with the kids, maybe just fitting in as many women as he can before they come back? Maybe? just a guess. I dont say it out of jealousy, we are both open about everything, it was the whole flaking, go on another date coooool w me. but not on the same day you make plans to hang out with me. Thats just wrong.

It's not what women want, it's what they respond to. If you don't want games go for the needy guy that seems desperate or the horney guy that is looking to get laid on the first date.

IN your situation it makes more sence because of the casualness of teh relationship, and it is annoying when people flake on you, but he is just not that interested it he doesn't want to take the time to see you. It's just that simple.

This is random, but I have hit a wicked flake streak. Not just with dates, pretty much anybody that says they are going to do anything hasn't came through. From guy friends watching a game, to workout partners, to dates, to basically anything. It is rather strange. maybe there is something in the air?

(The normals) I prefer eccentric peeps, ones that dont fit in the box

If you feel you have to play games like that to get someone to be interested in you, you're going for the wrong women.

In a way, yes. the horney guy wants sex like all the other guys, but he is just not playing the game of pretending he doesn't to try to get more sex later on in the relationship.

The desperate needy guy is telling you how he feels up front, not holding anything back. Guys play the games because if they don't wait three days to call, wait a while to return text messages or phone calls, they are seen as needy, whether or not they are in fact needy is a different subject altogether.

Nothing is black and white, but there is no perfect balance. Most women want to want the guy more than they want the guy if that makes any sence?

What women say they want and what they actually respond to are two totally different things. When a guy doesn't play aloof women move on, thinking that anybody that wants them that much must be desperate or just looking for anybody. It comes from the insecurties ingrained in them from our society.

And I am looking for a 1/100 type thinker. It is tough to find a woman that is confident enough to actually be able to handle the truth and respond to it. I usually am honest and fail, sometimes I work the games and get somewhere, but when a woman responds to the games I know she is not right for me.

Gotta love how you speak for all women. But hey, if that works for you, then go for it.

Sounds like you use games to test women. You play games with them, then move on if the games work? Why not just be more straight foward about what you want?

Because if you are honest about what you want women will use it against you, or see it as a sign you are moving too fast. Women in general don't know what they want out of any relationship.

I am not speaking for "all women" there are certainly exceptions to teh rule. But honesty is a flawed policy when it comes to relationships. I use games because they work, women that I meet respond to them. I would prefer to be honest and up front, but that never works.

Like I said, you're going for the wrong women, then. Games are for high school kids. If you're still an adult and playing them all the time like this, you're not going to come off as being someone that's serious about being in a relationship. While I can't speak for all women, games get old quickly and would cause me to move on if that's what's going on.

I don't play games because I want to, I play games because I have to. I would prefer to be open and honest, but it simply doesn't work.

What was your last date like?

My last date was dinner, walking around downtown and a couple drinks. Nothing fancy. Mostly just talking and getting to know each other a bit.

Did he come on too strong or not strong enough, has he called you since. If so when did he call you?

The thing that was nice about this date is neither of us seemed to be worrying about trying to impress each other. My guess is you're going to try to find something about this to twist it into how everyone has to play games. So, I'll just leave it at that. If you'd like to try to convince everyone they have to play games, you'll have to do that on your own.

Not impressing a girl goes against a guy's natural instincts. if guy's weren't trying to impress women there would be no 40,000 luxory cars, big trucks, designer clothing, jewelery, or anything like that. He was either playing coy and supressing the drive to impress you, or he wasn't that into you and didn't feel teh need to impress you.

If the first was the case he was playing a game, and it worked. If the second was the case, you want the guy because he was not that into you, and a lot of women tend to want what they can't have.

You don't ahve to be intentionally deceptive or a complete liar and user to play games. A girl wants a guy that feels the same way about her that she feels about him all the time. You wanted a guy that wouldn't try too hard, so he caught onto that (either consciously or unconsciously through body and voice ques) and did not try to impress you if he liked you. The other possibility is that you like him more than he likes you.