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Topic: Fla. City, Church in Standoff Over 9/11 Koran Burning
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Thu 08/19/10 05:43 PM
GAINESVILLE, Fla – A Florida church that was denied a permit for its controversial plan to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11 says the book burning will continue anyway.

The Dove World Outreach Center drew international attention after announcing its plan to burn copies of the Islamic holy text on church grounds to mark the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Gainesville city officials denied a burn permit for the center Wednesday, saying an open burning of books is not allowed under the city's burning ordinance.

But in an e-mail sent out later that day, the church said, "City of Gainesville denies burn permit -- BUT WE WILL STILL BURN KORANS."

"Things like 9-11, Fort Hood, and the honor killings... these are possibly not isolated incidents," Dove World Outreach Center pastor Terry Jones told MyFoxOrlando.com last week. "These are things that, if we don't stand up now, they can increase."

Jones — who has written a book titled "Islam is of The Devil" and sells T-shirts bearing the same message — says even the death threats he's received over the plan won't drive him to scrap it.

"We have thought about it, about the danger in holding the controversial event, and we realize that whenever we made this step, that this kind of thing could happen," he said. "But we feel it's that important, and the times call for some kind of radical measure in standing up."

Interim Fire Chief Gene Prince said the church will be fined if it holds the burning.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/19/fla-city-church-standoff-koran-burning/

That sounds like one hell of a party!

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/19/10 05:49 PM
so open book burning is not permissable UNLESS its a book we dont like?


interesting


oh well, hope their hatred helps them sleep peaceful at night

willing2's photo
Thu 08/19/10 05:49 PM
I respect their rights to burn those books.

Why can't I find a copy of Tom Sawyer anywhere?

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/19/10 06:00 PM
so where in the constitution is this right given? wouldnt that be a state determined right and isnt the permit guidelines sufficient law ?

willing2's photo
Thu 08/19/10 06:05 PM
Edited by willing2 on Thu 08/19/10 06:08 PM

so where in the constitution is this right given? wouldnt that be a state determined right and isnt the permit guidelines sufficient law ?

Actually, it's a City or County ordinance that would not permit open flames.

There are legal ways to burn trash.

I'm sure they'll find a way or just pay the couple hundred dollar fine.

Again, I will ask.

Why can't my Grandkids read Tom Sawyer in school?

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Thu 08/19/10 06:09 PM


so where in the constitution is this right given? wouldnt that be a state determined right and isnt the permit guidelines sufficient law ?

Actually, it's a City or County ordinance that would not permit open flames.

There are legal ways to burn trash.

I'm sure they'll find a way or just pay the couple hundred dollar fine.

Again, I will ask.

Why can't my Grandkids read Tom Sawyer in school?


to the first, if they are willing to endure the consequence, no issue there

to the second,, I am not aware of any school that bans reading books....do you have more information,,,?

Lpdon's photo
Thu 08/19/10 06:50 PM
Hopefully they will just pay a fine after a nice BBQ.

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/19/10 06:51 PM
and set a nice precedent for communities who can afford the fine to burn police manuals, bibles, or any other book that symbolizes to them a negative establishment,,,,,,

willing2's photo
Thu 08/19/10 07:12 PM

and set a nice precedent for communities who can afford the fine to burn police manuals, bibles, or any other book that symbolizes to them a negative establishment,,,,,,

Twains The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn was banned because intolerant negros put up a big fuss.
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/canadian_tourism/49239

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Thu 08/19/10 07:15 PM


and set a nice precedent for communities who can afford the fine to burn police manuals, bibles, or any other book that symbolizes to them a negative establishment,,,,,,

Twains The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn was banned because intolerant negros put up a big fuss.
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/canadian_tourism/49239


Twenty years later, the library in Brooklyn, New York excluded Twain’s book from the children’s reading room because it felt that the character of Huck set a bad example for young people.


Read more at Suite101: Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn: A History of Censorship for the Banned American Literature Classic http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/canadian_tourism/49239#ixzz0x6mbWDWP


nice HISTORY about the challenging of the book, but still no information as to where in the US SCHOOLS the book is banned,,,,

??

Thomas3474's photo
Thu 08/19/10 07:18 PM
Burn baby burn!

willing2's photo
Thu 08/19/10 07:18 PM



and set a nice precedent for communities who can afford the fine to burn police manuals, bibles, or any other book that symbolizes to them a negative establishment,,,,,,

Twains The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn was banned because intolerant negros put up a big fuss.
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/canadian_tourism/49239


Twenty years later, the library in Brooklyn, New York excluded Twain’s book from the children’s reading room because it felt that the character of Huck set a bad example for young people.


Read more at Suite101: Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn: A History of Censorship for the Banned American Literature Classic http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/canadian_tourism/49239#ixzz0x6mbWDWP


nice HISTORY about the challenging of the book, but still no information as to where in the US SCHOOLS the book is banned,,,,

??

You can goo-goo as well as the next person.
Been banned in school library's for years.

RKISIT's photo
Thu 08/19/10 07:23 PM
dang my state has become anti muslim...well one religion down 10 more to golaugh

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/19/10 07:24 PM
here is a more complte list of banned books in US history


although I still havent found any RECENTLY BANNED information

apparently huck was banned for the word 'nigger' which some uptight AMERICANS (of all races) thought was probably not childhood language,,,,



http://www.banned-books.com/bblista-i.html

eklectek's photo
Thu 08/19/10 07:37 PM

so open book burning is not permissable UNLESS its a book we dont like?


interesting


oh well, hope their hatred helps them sleep peaceful at night
You must not know where the hate lies my dear. We didn't attack them, they attacked us. They burn and torture christian and North American humans...We torch books. Tell me again who's heart is filled with hate?? I do somewhat agree with the fact that it isn't the faith we are fighting, it's the people who are extremists that happen to follow that faith. If a terrorist blew your house up...and someone gave the hatred comment you wrote...how would you feel?? I don't know about you but I knew 2 people who died on 9/11...these people were loving people, good people with no hatred in their hearts, It was the hate inside the Muslim extremists nations hearts...Then people get bent out of shape when we don't want a mosque at our modern day pearl harbour site...What side are you on here?? How did a nation of headstrong, proud and strong people turn in to the divided states of embarasment?? I mean this with the up most respect, but it's that point of view that is allowing these things to happen. Your men and women are over there right now dying, and you say WE have the hatred??? I'm so sorry my dear but it is something you would have to see for yourself. I wish the people with this view would all enlist and see for themselves. Over there there are no Christian buildings whatsoever...How do they get freedoms that we don't get when we visit there?? Do you not see the irony here?? Last year I was shot twice by terrorists in a fire fight...once in my left side, and once just above my right knee, but I would take 20 bullets if it meant ridding the world of their lunacy. Not because of hate or creed, but because these people are trying to eradicate western civilization. You don't see us strapping TNT to our chests and blowing up innocent people. We are talking about men who completely beat their wives and still use stoning as a form of punishment. If you think the hatred lies here, maybe you should try your luck in Kandahar, Then get back to us on the hate thing. Dear lady, you must understand that these people want to destroy our way of life, American and Canadian alike, don't you think we have a right to protect our kids?? our way of life?? I sure do, and there are thousands of people over there right now doing just that. Dying so you can breathe the air that you are inhaling as you read this. I hope I didn't come on too strong, but I took a little bit of an offense to that and I felt strongly about posting my reply.

willing2's photo
Thu 08/19/10 07:57 PM
These folks, as many Americans have found, texts and ides in the quran they find offensive and they are offended.

Just like angry, intolerant negros demanding great literary works be banned, these folks are within their right to take out the trash.


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Thu 08/19/10 07:59 PM
Show of hands ... how many think this would have been considered an 'outrage' if others had chosen to burn the bible ... ? This is just a pisssin' contest sparked by the fact that it's the ko-ran ... Now: Somebody find me a copy of Disney's original 'Song of the South' ...

willing2's photo
Thu 08/19/10 08:01 PM

here is a more complte list of banned books in US history


although I still havent found any RECENTLY BANNED information

apparently huck was banned for the word 'nigger' which some uptight AMERICANS (of all races) thought was probably not childhood language,,,,



http://www.banned-books.com/bblista-i.html

See, you can get away with using that word. I won't push my luck.

If I had typed that word, I more than likely would have been reported, the word stricken and I more than likely would get banned.

Wonder why it matters who types it?

eklectek's photo
Thu 08/19/10 08:01 PM

Show of hands ... how many think this would have been considered an 'outrage' if others had chosen to burn the bible ... ? This is just a pisssin' contest sparked by the fact that it's the ko-ran ... Now: Somebody find me a copy of Disney's original 'Song of the South' ...
my friend, not just bibles are being burned by them....human, flesh and anything resembling a westerner....Osama had thousands of english literature burned and broadcasted it.

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Thu 08/19/10 08:04 PM


Show of hands ... how many think this would have been considered an 'outrage' if others had chosen to burn the bible ... ? This is just a pisssin' contest sparked by the fact that it's the ko-ran ... Now: Somebody find me a copy of Disney's original 'Song of the South' ...
my friend, not just bibles are being burned by them....human, flesh and anything resembling a westerner....Osama had thousands of english literature burned and broadcasted it.


Understood and agreed ... I'm being sarcastic to make my point ... Big 'Bravo Zulu' to you ...

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