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Topic: !*!*!*!*! <<< The New 4:20 Clubhouse>>> !*!*!*!*!*!* - part 8
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Wed 09/01/10 12:59 PM
Old, cold, AND moldy...? sick

RowBaby's photo
Wed 09/01/10 01:13 PM

Old, cold, AND moldy...? sick


Bummer, eh?

RowBaby's photo
Wed 09/01/10 01:17 PM

I would not smoke the mold.

A mixture of hydrogen peroxide, and water is supposed to kill mold on live plants.
It might stop the spread of mold on drying plants.
I would pull off any mold, and throw it away.

I would also recommend using a warmer room, with more ventilation.
Ideally, your herb should be dry in about 5 days.
You can get a dehumidifier and put it in the drying room; I've heard of them drying too much though.

If you use a dehumidifier, and you dry your stuff too much... turn off the dehumidifier, and let the herb absorb moisture from the atmosphere for a day or two.


Maybe we can save the buds by pulling the mold off and drying properly. Dehydrator is a brilliant idea. I have one of those.
The room was warm but apparently not ventilated enough.
I will try your suggestions, many thanks for the advice Blurb.

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Wed 09/01/10 01:18 PM


Oooo, bad gurl, you!!
Rarely... in a perfect world ya gotta find out what strain of mold... toxicity, see? If ain't nothin... smoke it too, might taste nasty. But you should sanatize/wash the bud... which is gonna take away some of it's oils... never good. Low bleach solutions and some pre-mixed solutions are available.
But then you gotta re-dry it again... Learn that first Row... haha, GL.


Ted, I'm not a bad girl. I'm askin for a friend, it's not mine happy
Sanitize it, re-dry it and it still might taste nasty, huh?
Thank you, Ted smokin I'll let you know how it turns out.

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Wed 09/01/10 02:17 PM
Hell I would just clean it a bit and smoke it.......smokin

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Wed 09/01/10 02:35 PM

Maybe we can save the buds by pulling the mold off and drying properly.



Good idea, they look like they're worth saving.

It doesn't look like the mold's very deep.



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Wed 09/01/10 03:36 PM

It's a white stringy mold
Here's a pic.




Spider mites?

Looks more like web than it does mold.

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Wed 09/01/10 04:06 PM



Oooo, bad gurl, you!!
Rarely... in a perfect world ya gotta find out what strain of mold... toxicity, see? If ain't nothin... smoke it too, might taste nasty. But you should sanatize/wash the bud... which is gonna take away some of it's oils... never good. Low bleach solutions and some pre-mixed solutions are available.
But then you gotta re-dry it again... Learn that first Row... haha, GL.


Ted, I'm not a bad girl. I'm askin for a friend, it's not mine happy
Sanitize it, re-dry it and it still might taste nasty, huh?
Thank you, Ted smokin I'll let you know how it turns out.


No Row... I meant that you can rarely recover moldy bud... cause it's so prevasive and gets all through the bud. Best bet is to chuck it. You can smoke it if you're certain that it's a consumable mold... but you'll taste it.
If you try to wash it... you can only deminish it but never get rid of it all... sanitizing agents generally kill mold... but don't make it disappear...
I meant bad gurl 'cause you got anxious to try your "friend's" weed and moved too fast in the drying process... haha.

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Wed 09/01/10 04:15 PM
Edited by RowBaby on Wed 09/01/10 04:17 PM




Oooo, bad gurl, you!!
Rarely... in a perfect world ya gotta find out what strain of mold... toxicity, see? If ain't nothin... smoke it too, might taste nasty. But you should sanatize/wash the bud... which is gonna take away some of it's oils... never good. Low bleach solutions and some pre-mixed solutions are available.
But then you gotta re-dry it again... Learn that first Row... haha, GL.


Ted, I'm not a bad girl. I'm askin for a friend, it's not mine happy
Sanitize it, re-dry it and it still might taste nasty, huh?
Thank you, Ted smokin I'll let you know how it turns out.


No Row... I meant that you can rarely recover moldy bud... cause it's so prevasive and gets all through the bud. Best bet is to chuck it. You can smoke it if you're certain that it's a consumable mold... but you'll taste it.
If you try to wash it... you can only deminish it but never get rid of it all... sanitizing agents generally kill mold... but don't make it disappear...
I meant bad gurl 'cause you got anxious to try your "friend's" weed and moved too fast in the drying process... haha.


I see. I can't imagine it would taste good even if you could kill the mold. Like you said, it would still be there. Smoking it may not kill you, but it can't be good for you. Luckily the whole batch wasn't contaminated.
Now, if it is spider mites maybe it's salvageable.

I know... she needs to be more patient next time. smokin

So, in the future... What do you think about sticking it in a food dehydrator?

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Wed 09/01/10 04:25 PM
Maybe one of those humdors that they keep cigars in?........smokin

RowBaby's photo
Wed 09/01/10 04:27 PM
Maybe. Don't they keep humidity in though? So your cigars don't dry out?

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Wed 09/01/10 04:28 PM
Oh yea........ Nevermind. Mine usually comes in baggies......smokin

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Wed 09/01/10 04:30 PM
I saw someone bag moldy green.
They added those wee dryer packets
that they pack around moist things.
I didn't see how it turned out though.

I would go with the humidor.
Just because it sounds like it smells good.
What a funny sentence..

Gregry4's photo
Wed 09/01/10 04:34 PM
i want a vaporizer..sounds so cool!

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Wed 09/01/10 04:35 PM
Some use 'em with great success... depends on volume. Just don't cram chit together.
My "friend" always thought that slow was key... slow growth=more THC. Slow drying=better tasting bag.
Hang dry in well ventilated area... dimly lit is fine. Trim buds after a few days... when the leaves are really startin to dry up... brown bag 'em for a few weeks works fine... cigar humidors are awesome.
Total time fow drying plants is generally a coupla weeks... bud even longer. Size here matters, of course.
But that's just "his" way... plenty of others do fine using faster meathods.

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Wed 09/01/10 04:36 PM
Oh yes, those little packets that say "do not eat" on them.
Where would buy those things anyways?

It would smell so wonderful in a humidor wouldn't it. smokin
It does sound like it would smell good. That's like saying "turn the lights on, I can't hear a thing"
or "turn the music down, I can't see where I'm going!"

RowBaby's photo
Wed 09/01/10 04:38 PM

i want a vaporizer..sounds so cool!

I have a portable handheld one. It's cool but it gives me a headache.

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Wed 09/01/10 04:38 PM


It's a white stringy mold
Here's a pic.




Spider mites?

Looks more like web than it does mold.




You could be right.
The second link I posted has pictures of dried buds with spider mites on them.
I have found that Neem is real good for keeping pests off of my plants; I think it has nitrogen in it too.



http://www.amsterdammarijuanaseedbank.com/marijuana-pictures/pictures/marijuana-spider-mites-cannabis-pests.html


http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=yhs-avg&va=spider+mites+on+marijuana



Spider mites
By Ed Rosenthal - Sunday, October 5 2003
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How can I get rid of mites permanently?

I have been having terrible problems with spider mites. I spray regularly with pyrethrum and Safer's soap but the pests reappear. Can you give me a permanent solution to spider mites?
D.S.,
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Spider mites are the bane of marijuana growers. Mites are not insects, but arachnids, the same family as spiders. They have eight legs. Your garden is probably infested with two spotted mites. When looking through a loop or magnifying glass, two black spots are visible on the pest's back. Gardens are also infrequently infested with the red spider mite.

Spider mites are about the size of a poppy seed. They insert a tube into the plant and suck out its juices. Indoors, where they are not combating nature's challenges, mites multiply quickly and overwhelm gardens. Mites lay eggs after they mature, about two weeks after hatching. The females lay thousands of eggs over their lifetime. They hatch in about three days.

Mites inhabit the underside of the leaf and are not readily apparent. The first indication of their presence is usually the sight of tiny brown spots circled by small yellow areas. These areas indicate sites where mites have used their proboscises to puncture the leaf surface and suck the plant's sweet juices. As the population increases they begin to build webs and can be seen commuting from one feeding area to the next.

If only one plant or one section of a plant seems to be infected or if a plant is much more infected than the others in the garden, wrap it in a plastic bag to prevent infecting the other plants as you remove it from the garden.
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If your plants are growing vegetatively you have quite a few options. First you can wash them with a moderately vigorous spray to knock down the mite population. This will help the plants by lessening their loss of vital juices. Prepare a spray with a teaspoon of real soap such as Dr. Bronner's peppermint or eucalyptus liquid soap per gallon of water, or spray with Safer's horticultural soap to help dislodge and suffocate the pests. Mites are found on the underside of the leaves and must be sprayed there. If the plants are small or easy to handle it might be easier to dip them in the soapy water. Spraying can remove most but not all the mites, and it doesn't remove the eggs.

A small mite infection left unchecked is a temporary condition. So it is unwise to go into flowering with infected plants. The problem is that after the plants are one third of the way through flowering, two to three weeks, you want to avoid spraying with water or soapy water to wash off the suckers.

Mites must be eliminated before forcing or when they attack plants in the early stages of flowering. If not they will multiply with disastrous results. The skimpy buds will be low quality and covered with dead mites. It's not an enjoyable smoke.

Spraying can be used to control mites through the vegetative stage and for the first two or three weeks of flowering. However, other means must be used to get the plants to the zero tolerance level. By far the easiest method is to use an acceptable miticide.

There are several commercial miticides that can be used early in the season to kill mites.

Pyrethrum has been used to kill mites. It is a natural pesticide produced by a close relative of the chrysanthemum. The problem with using it is that many races of mites have developed immunity to it. However, it is the first miticide you should try.

Cinnamite comes as a concentrate that is diluted and sprayed on the plants. It contains a miticide derived from cinnamon oil. It is very safe and is rated least hazardous. It is quite effective but it doesn't kill the eggs. It should be used every three days for two weeks to make sure all the mites are killed soon after they hatch. It is a contact spray so plants should be dipped or sprayed on the leaf undersides. It is also effective against powdery mildew.

Neem oil is a natural miticide derived from the nuts of the Neem tree, which is found in India. It is a mite repellent as well, so some gardeners use it as a prophylactic, spraying it on a weekly basis. I mix neem oil with Cinnamite to eliminate small infections. Cinnamite and neem oil are also used against powdery mildew.

For growers who distrust anything commercial, try an ?herbal tea? that acts as a miticide. To each quart of water use a tablespoon each of ground cinnamon, ground clove and 2 tablespoons of ground Italian seasoning. Heat the mixture until it starts to simmer, then turn off the heat. Add 2 tablespoons crushed fresh garlic when the water cools to warm. Let the tea sit until it cools. Strain and save the water using a cloth or coffee filter. Add a few drops of liquid soap or dishwashing liquid to the water. It is ready to be sprayed on the leaf undersides. After spraying the mites off with water, spray it on the leaf undersides. It will eliminate the mites if it is sprayed every three days after the wash. Within two weeks the mites will probably be gone.

Avid is a miticide registered for ornamental plants. Its active ingredient is abamectin, a derivative of a toxin originally found in soil bacteria. Avid is not registered for use on vegetables except in certain restricted situations. Other brands of abamectin such as AgriMek by Syngenta are registered for a wide range of crops. The AgriMek label calls for a minimum of a seven day wait between application and harvest. I wouldn't use marijuana if I knew it was treated with this pesticide during the last few weeks of flowering.

Some gardeners have reported success controlling mites using predatory mites or other predators. These carnivorous mites reach an equilibrium with the herbivorous mites, keeping damage to a bare minimum. I have tried introducing mixed species of predatory mites a few times but have never been satisfied with the results. They did not get the problem under control. However, they can work and some gardeners swear by them. I probably didn't provide them with the right conditions. There are also other predators that eat mites, but I have no experience using them.

Ultimately, the solution to the mite problem and the pest problem in general is to prevent the garden from becoming infected. Following certain simple rules will help:
Wear freshly washed clothes or change into a garden outfit when going into the garden.

Never work outdoors, especially in a garden or other vegetative or turf area right before working in your indoor garden.

Pests are frequently carried in on shoes. Do like Mr. Rogers and change your footwear before you enter the garden.

Don't use outdoor soil, tools or containers in the indoor garden

If a plant is to be introduced to the garden, first do a close examination and then put it in quarantine for five or six days. Examine it closely, especially the underside of leaves, before placing it in the garden.

Close up any unfiltered airways or holes through which plant pests might enter. Make sure that air intake from outside is filtered.


http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3109.html



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Wed 09/01/10 04:39 PM
really?a headache?well that's no bueno!

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Wed 09/01/10 04:41 PM

i want a vaporizer..sounds so cool!



I tried one, it sucked.

It didn't seem to work, and it took four times longer to load one hit, than it does to load a bong.



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