Ever notice how, when the topic of 'slavery' comes up, the froth-at-the-mouth crowd all start bringing up the Confederate flag and blaming the phenomenon on the 'evil South' ... ? Hmm ...

They never seem to consider that the 'Stars and Bars' only flew over those Southern states for FOUR YEARS - 1861 to 1865. The rest of the time - from 1776 through the 1890s and 1900s - slavery was carried on under the AMERICAN flag ... but it's still the fault of those 'evil Southerners' ...

Not. According. To. The. Historical. Record. ...

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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_slavery_start_in_United_States

When did slavery start in United States?

In Rhode Island, one of the founding colonies of the United States, slavery as defined by law, began in 1676. Roger Williams, and others, signed legislation defining the Indigenous peoples of the area as 'product' and enslaving them.

Prior to this time the same Indigenous peoples had provided sanctuary to Roger Williams when he was banished from the Bay Colony (what is now the state of Massachusetts) to perish. He relied on their generosity and goodwill for decades thereafter. That sanctuary ultimately provided the genesis point for the state of Rhode Island to exist. Had that generosity not occurred what is now Rhode Island would have likely been either Massachusetts or Connecticut.

The recompense for Indigenous generosity was slavery. As already noted in other answers, the practice of enslaving Indigenous peoples documentably began with Columbus; and europeans practiced enslaving one another long before they came to this continent, as also noted. The depth and breadth of the practice expanded as they brought their value systems and practices to the continents and peoples new to them.

Enslavement of Native American peoples began in Rhode Island in the 1600's and then was supplemented by a profoundly profitable slave trade centered in Newport and Bristol Rhode Island later with the expansion of slavery via the importation of African peoples.

By the mid 1700's the ratio of enslaved African Americans to european residents of Rhode Island was nearly 8:1.
Yet none of the area was yet accurately the United States.' In 1776 when the United States came into being - the opportunities enjoyed by its founding fathers rested in large part on a minimum of many 100 years of enslavement practices by their forebearers, to their own peoples in their own lands, to the Indigenous peoples they later encountered here, and then finally to the African peoples they imported.

Additionally the "Mission systems" of the southwest, prior to the creation of California as a state, utilized Native peoples as slaves to the church. This also occurred prior to this territory being formally a part of the United States.

Once the area now known as California became a state, one of the first laws the new state passed was for the 'care and protection' of Indian peoples. These laws provided for the enslavement of any Native person by any white person if the Native person was not found already actively engaged in work for another white person. The emancipation of slavery did not apply to Inidgenous peoples in California until the late 1890's - early 1900's.

And a swastika is just a good luck charm...

Troll post or was there a point?^^^^^^

Thanks for the history!

Heh-heh-heh ...

All this time the schools have been teaching about the ships rolling into harbor in the Carolinas and New Orleans to auction off africans.

Bein's I was raised in the deeeeep South, I wondered why so many northerners enjoy the French Quarters so much.

All up in the Quarters along the river is where many thousands of africans were sold.

When they unloaded them from the ships, they'd strip and hose 'em down good to get the travel stank off of 'em.

Auctioned off naked so, they could get a good view of what they were bidding on. The bidders even got to check their teeth to make sure there wasn't excess tooth rot.

Pregnant ones could get a better price.

After the bidding, they'd chain 'em together, hook 'em to the back of the wagon and head on home.

The Southerners must have learned all those tricks from the Northern teachers.

inconsistency is such a funny thing huh?

generally, the dominant opinions I observe are that

muslims represent terrorism because they have some muslims who are terrorists

but

confederates dont represent slavery because someone else ALSO Had slaves,,,,


sigh,,, I try my best not to get into these broad negative characterizations of groups of people, but consistency is respected

I dont think the confederate flag represented slavery, and many who were proud to be southern but didnt condone slavery were proud of their southern flag

I also dont think that mosques represent terrorism, many are proud to follow islam and PEACEFUL and dont condone terrorism and attending the mosque is an important part of their routine



I dont oppose the flag nor the erecting of mosques,,anywhere southern people or muslims happen to live and wish to fly or erect them....

but you are the cutest , hence the flowers...

Sorry, but this topic isn't about islam, mosques, or any of that BS ... This is about the 'evil South' and the fiction that it was only the Confederacy that 'promoted slavery' ... looks like the War of Northern Aggression provided pretty good cover for a lot of Yankee trash for all these years ... now it's blown ... I guess that's on the list of 'politically incorrect' subjects, tho' ... too bad - it's just been taken off that list.

actually, the thread is about confederates and slavery and in the response, a COMPARISON was made between that issue AND another

political correctness has nothing to do with making a comparison,,,,

I dont hold the confederate exclusively responsible for slavery ANYMORE than I hold muslims exclusively responsible for 9/11

It has nothing to do with muslims ... period.

lol,, it has to do with the blame game and how all groups have those who continue to do it and label others as 'evil'


some think southerners are 'evil' racists
some think muslims are 'evil' terrorists

those types usually sling words like 'evil', 'terrorist', 'enemy', 'bigot',

around quite frequently and carelessly

Address the subject of the thread ... if you can.

Slavery was begun by the North. In other words, Yankee trash.

It was promoted under the AMERICAN, not Confederate, flag.

and also ended by them,,,so where does that leave us,,,?

with the conclusion that all share some responsibility,, kind of like what happens with wars and the creation of 'terrorists'

You have a 'right' to attempt to hijack a thread ... but it won't be this one. If you'd like to discuss your off-topic 'topics', all you have to do is start your own thread.

or I can remain here and keep discussing the idea of a racist south until a MODERATOR says different,,,

try not to take it personal, its just another topic in another thread

It's not personal. The attempted hijack and lack of consideration for the discussion is just RUDE and boorish.

You COULD discuss the 'racist South', but you CAN'T dispute the SLAVE-OWNING NORTH.

I have no massa here,except maybe the moderators, I discuss as freely and as broadly as anyone else

if there is a consensus of people who believe I am being rude, I am more than humble enough to change my 'style',, but I only read one objection,,,,,