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I think we need to just outlaw 'organized' religions altogether. People should be free to believe however they like on a personal level, but let's not have any more organized religions that preach to the masses that one religion is closer to the 'word of God' than another. No more proselytizing, and no more 'religious organizations' involved with politics. If individuals what to vote their personal beliefs so be it. But it should be outlawed that they preach their personal beliefs to others in the form of an organized religion or by claiming that "God supports their agenda, or that they are supposedly supporting God's agenda". Instead of they want to have a political rally just do on pure principle of their own personal opinions and views and don't make any religious claims beyond that. Religions are clearly a source of hostility and war mongering. History has shown us the truth of this. Even the attacks on 9/11 were religiously motivation without question. Religion is clearly a source of hostility and hate. And now just look at what's happening, the atheists are caught up in a war between Christians and Muslims, and every time the Atheists speak out against religions the religious people say, "Why should you care about religion it clearly has nothing to do with you!"  How ignorant is that?  Atheists are supposed to just sit by and watch the Christians and Muslims use their diverse opinions about the "SAME GOD" to blow each other up right along with all the atheists who are innocently standing on the sidelines and supposed to remain silent?  Those arrogant Christians and Muslims are going to destroy the entire human race in the name of their single confused God. These religions are a prime example of why religions that are based on a jealous God are extremely dangerous and unhealthy. The Christians and Muslims are born of the same religion! The both supposedly worship the same God, yet they have come to hate each others guts and have absolutely no respect for any 'outsiders' who aren't part of their religious hate-wars. it's disgusting. Truly disgusting. Religions that are based on a jealous God who hates heathens should be banned as "demon worship". That would eliminate Christianity and Islam from the face of the planet. I think some Jews could potentially slip by proclaiming that they ultimately view God pantheistically, but they'd have to give up on claiming that the Ten Commandments came from God then.  I'm not sure what the Jews could get away with to be honest. But those Christians and Muslims both need to get their heads out their hateful dogmas and start realizing that they are living on a planet with REAL PEOPLE! Atheists, Wiccans, Buddhists, and many other loving spiritual people who do not worship a hateful jealous judgmental Zeus-like Godhead are having their lives totally destroyed by the hateful arrogant Christians and Muslims. This crap has to STOP! These Christians and Muslims who use God as an excuse to hate each other and the rest of the world just has to STOP. Something needs to be done about these horrible hateful religions. Before the innocent and loving atheists, Wiccans, Buddhists and others are hurt in the hateful crossfire between those sick Abrahamic religions. There's got to be some way to stop the hate that goes on in the name of God. Christians are especially guilty for spreading hatred in the name of Jesus. What a horrible example they display in the name of Jesus. It's just shame beyond shame. ============================================================ These religions are a prime example of why religions that are based on a jealous God are extremely dangerous and unhealthy. The Christians and Muslims are born of the same religion! The both supposedly worship the same God, yet they have come to hate each others guts and have absolutely no respect for any 'outsiders' who aren't part of their religious hate-wars. ============================================================== Christianity and Muslims are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ALIKE my friend. Heck muslims are the ones running planes into trade centers. This is totally and completely opposite of the Christian faith. They ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. And the war in the middle east right now has NOTHING to do with religion. This is ALL over freaking oil, money, and greed. Nothing to do with any belief in God. this is false and dangerous logic,, all Gods creations have more in common than they have different, although their actions and beliefs might run a gammit of ranges the Quran and the Bible have NUMEROUS similarities, and people will continue to allow culture to affect how they are interpreted,, Yes of course all religions will have "similarities". But what it all boils down to is what makes them both completely different. Heck just the bottom line of the Muslims and the reason they were alright with doing the suicide planes is they will get 72 virgins and ever lasting life. This is absolutely and completely totally different then Christianity. With Christianity you get favor with God and eternal life by doing loving things.......... doing God's will and following the law. By treating one another like we should, with respect and love. Heck killing people is AGAINST God's will, and even deeper then that, suicide is a straight ticket to the middle of no where. be cautious, we study our own book but take the word of media and western cultures to understand others The Qur’an and valid authentic Hadiths are very clear about what happens to anyone who commits suicide. According to Hadiths: Quote: ——————————————————————————– Committing Suicide is a Major Sin: Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 445: Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, “A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.” Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 73: Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak: ”And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection. ....it is the INTERVENTION OF CULTURE, which picks and chooses how to interpret any religious writing,,,,,the same distortions have been made of the Qu ran as have been made of the Bible think about those who claim christianity is about violence because of SOME of the biblical passages, and be careful not to do the same thing with the religious books of others,,,, just my humble advice and my opinion,,,,,be blessed Suicide and what they did on 911 are two different things by the muslim belief. --------------------------------------------- But the Hamas spokesman correctly uses the word martyr (shahid) and not suicide bomber, since those who blow themselves up almost daily in Israel and those who died on September 11 were dying in the noblest of all causes, Jihad, which is an incumbent religious duty, established in the Koran and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined for the purpose of advancing Islam. While suicide is forbidden, martyrdom is everywhere praised, welcomed, and urged: "By the Being in Whose Hand is my life, I love that I should be killed in the way of Allah; then I should be brought back to life and be killed again in His way..."; "The Prophet said, 'Nobody who enters Paradise will ever like to return to this world even if he were offered everything, except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed 10 times for the sake of the great honour that has been bestowed upon him'." [Sahih Muslim, chapters 781, 782, The Merit of Jihad and the Merit of Martyrdom.] ----------------------------------------------- I think this is also a false interpretation,, but the debate will never end,, people will believe what they believe is this any different than what the bible teaches about people being killed in Gods name, would that mean Christianity condones killing of ONESELF for God? I just dont see the huge difference in anything but the interpretation of it... Being killed on God's name and suicide bombing for your God is two different things. If someone threatened my life if I didn't say i worship buddha, mohomid, or any other God head they would kill me and i didn't change my ways of believing and was then killed...... THAT would be killed in God's name. Being killed in God's name has nothing to do with going out waring or "crusading" in God's name. Being killed in God's name and killing in God's name are two TOTALLY different things. |
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I think we need to just outlaw 'organized' religions altogether. People should be free to believe however they like on a personal level, but let's not have any more organized religions that preach to the masses that one religion is closer to the 'word of God' than another. No more proselytizing, and no more 'religious organizations' involved with politics. If individuals what to vote their personal beliefs so be it. But it should be outlawed that they preach their personal beliefs to others in the form of an organized religion or by claiming that "God supports their agenda, or that they are supposedly supporting God's agenda". Instead of they want to have a political rally just do on pure principle of their own personal opinions and views and don't make any religious claims beyond that. Religions are clearly a source of hostility and war mongering. History has shown us the truth of this. Even the attacks on 9/11 were religiously motivation without question. Religion is clearly a source of hostility and hate. And now just look at what's happening, the atheists are caught up in a war between Christians and Muslims, and every time the Atheists speak out against religions the religious people say, "Why should you care about religion it clearly has nothing to do with you!" How ignorant is that? Atheists are supposed to just sit by and watch the Christians and Muslims use their diverse opinions about the "SAME GOD" to blow each other up right along with all the atheists who are innocently standing on the sidelines and supposed to remain silent? Those arrogant Christians and Muslims are going to destroy the entire human race in the name of their single confused God. These religions are a prime example of why religions that are based on a jealous God are extremely dangerous and unhealthy. The Christians and Muslims are born of the same religion! The both supposedly worship the same God, yet they have come to hate each others guts and have absolutely no respect for any 'outsiders' who aren't part of their religious hate-wars. it's disgusting. Truly disgusting. Religions that are based on a jealous God who hates heathens should be banned as "demon worship". That would eliminate Christianity and Islam from the face of the planet. I think some Jews could potentially slip by proclaiming that they ultimately view God pantheistically, but they'd have to give up on claiming that the Ten Commandments came from God then. I'm not sure what the Jews could get away with to be honest. But those Christians and Muslims both need to get their heads out their hateful dogmas and start realizing that they are living on a planet with REAL PEOPLE! Atheists, Wiccans, Buddhists, and many other loving spiritual people who do not worship a hateful jealous judgmental Zeus-like Godhead are having their lives totally destroyed by the hateful arrogant Christians and Muslims. This crap has to STOP! These Christians and Muslims who use God as an excuse to hate each other and the rest of the world just has to STOP. Something needs to be done about these horrible hateful religions. Before the innocent and loving atheists, Wiccans, Buddhists and others are hurt in the hateful crossfire between those sick Abrahamic religions. There's got to be some way to stop the hate that goes on in the name of God. Christians are especially guilty for spreading hatred in the name of Jesus. What a horrible example they display in the name of Jesus. It's just shame beyond shame. ============================================================ These religions are a prime example of why religions that are based on a jealous God are extremely dangerous and unhealthy. The Christians and Muslims are born of the same religion! The both supposedly worship the same God, yet they have come to hate each others guts and have absolutely no respect for any 'outsiders' who aren't part of their religious hate-wars. ============================================================== Christianity and Muslims are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ALIKE my friend. Heck muslims are the ones running planes into trade centers. This is totally and completely opposite of the Christian faith. They ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. And the war in the middle east right now has NOTHING to do with religion. This is ALL over freaking oil, money, and greed. Nothing to do with any belief in God. this is false and dangerous logic,, all Gods creations have more in common than they have different, although their actions and beliefs might run a gammit of ranges the Quran and the Bible have NUMEROUS similarities, and people will continue to allow culture to affect how they are interpreted,, Yes of course all religions will have "similarities". But what it all boils down to is what makes them both completely different. Heck just the bottom line of the Muslims and the reason they were alright with doing the suicide planes is they will get 72 virgins and ever lasting life. This is absolutely and completely totally different then Christianity. With Christianity you get favor with God and eternal life by doing loving things.......... doing God's will and following the law. By treating one another like we should, with respect and love. Heck killing people is AGAINST God's will, and even deeper then that, suicide is a straight ticket to the middle of no where. be cautious, we study our own book but take the word of media and western cultures to understand others The Qur’an and valid authentic Hadiths are very clear about what happens to anyone who commits suicide. According to Hadiths: Quote: ——————————————————————————– Committing Suicide is a Major Sin: Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 445: Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, “A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.” Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 73: Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak: ”And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection. ....it is the INTERVENTION OF CULTURE, which picks and chooses how to interpret any religious writing,,,,,the same distortions have been made of the Qu ran as have been made of the Bible think about those who claim christianity is about violence because of SOME of the biblical passages, and be careful not to do the same thing with the religious books of others,,,, just my humble advice and my opinion,,,,,be blessed Suicide and what they did on 911 are two different things by the muslim belief. --------------------------------------------- But the Hamas spokesman correctly uses the word martyr (shahid) and not suicide bomber, since those who blow themselves up almost daily in Israel and those who died on September 11 were dying in the noblest of all causes, Jihad, which is an incumbent religious duty, established in the Koran and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined for the purpose of advancing Islam. While suicide is forbidden, martyrdom is everywhere praised, welcomed, and urged: "By the Being in Whose Hand is my life, I love that I should be killed in the way of Allah; then I should be brought back to life and be killed again in His way..."; "The Prophet said, 'Nobody who enters Paradise will ever like to return to this world even if he were offered everything, except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed 10 times for the sake of the great honour that has been bestowed upon him'." [Sahih Muslim, chapters 781, 782, The Merit of Jihad and the Merit of Martyrdom.] ----------------------------------------------- I think this is also a false interpretation,, but the debate will never end,, people will believe what they believe is this any different than what the bible teaches about people being killed in Gods name, would that mean Christianity condones killing of ONESELF for God? I just dont see the huge difference in anything but the interpretation of it... My last post wasn't totally clear on this issue, so i'll respond again hopefully making it more clear. Say a Jihad came to America and just killed EVERYONE that would not convert. The ones that took the death and didn't convert would be dieing in God's name. It's NOT however the same as going somewhere else to try to destroy other beliefs. We are not to infringe on anyone else especially forcibly. It is totally up to the individual, whom which will be judged on their decision. |
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my first question is how do you convert someone by killing them
people who do this are mentally and emotionally unstable and picking the parts of their religious book that reinforce their illness there are occasions in the bible where God instructed people to be killed and some people could still use this as justification for murder (as in bombing abortion clinics) people can and do distort religious teachings to justify their lives,, the Qu ran is no exception to such distortion,,,, my second question is doesnt the bible encourage people to WITNESS his word and spread his word and how is this any different than other religions spreading their word there is a difference between living and spreading the word and acting out to harm people |
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Seeing some of these posts makes me angry. Extremists come is all races and religions! Generalizing just shows how much ignorance is still flooding through American culture. Throughout history there has always been this idea of superiority amongst the majority, think long and hard about what the world would be like if every time a hot headed American was given the ability to act on his or her opinion. There is no benefit from passing judgement, discrimination, predjudice or racism! All of us are equal.
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my first question is how do you convert someone by killing them people who do this are mentally and emotionally unstable and picking the parts of their religious book that reinforce their illness there are occasions in the bible where God instructed people to be killed and some people could still use this as justification for murder (as in bombing abortion clinics) people can and do distort religious teachings to justify their lives,, the Qu ran is no exception to such distortion,,,, my second question is doesnt the bible encourage people to WITNESS his word and spread his word and how is this any different than other religions spreading their word there is a difference between living and spreading the word and acting out to harm people ======================================= there are occasions in the bible where God instructed people to be killed and some people could still use this as justification for murder (as in bombing abortion clinics) ======================================== The only place anything along these lines are in the old testament. And that is because people were judged for their sins while still on earth. Hand for a hand, eye for an eye. Jesus fullfilled the old testament and is now the judge of us all, we are no longer to judge others in anyway. -------------------------------------- ====================================== my second question is doesnt the bible encourage people to WITNESS his word and spread his word and how is this any different than other religions spreading their word ====================================== This is different because God tells us to treat others with respect, love, and care. We are to give the shirt off our backs, we are to love others more then we even love ourselves. That is how it's different, it promotes and spreads love and care in regards to believe in my God or DIE!!!. |
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Seeing some of these posts makes me angry. Extremists come is all races and religions! Generalizing just shows how much ignorance is still flooding through American culture. Throughout history there has always been this idea of superiority amongst the majority, think long and hard about what the world would be like if every time a hot headed American was given the ability to act on his or her opinion. There is no benefit from passing judgement, discrimination, predjudice or racism! All of us are equal.  thank you |
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Seeing some of these posts makes me angry. Extremists come is all races and religions! Generalizing just shows how much ignorance is still flooding through American culture. Throughout history there has always been this idea of superiority amongst the majority, think long and hard about what the world would be like if every time a hot headed American was given the ability to act on his or her opinion. There is no benefit from passing judgement, discrimination, predjudice or racism! All of us are equal. Very true, and this is what Christianity teaches. We are NOT to judge others, we ARE to treat EVERYONE with the same respect and love. |
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my first question is how do you convert someone by killing them people who do this are mentally and emotionally unstable and picking the parts of their religious book that reinforce their illness there are occasions in the bible where God instructed people to be killed and some people could still use this as justification for murder (as in bombing abortion clinics) people can and do distort religious teachings to justify their lives,, the Qu ran is no exception to such distortion,,,, my second question is doesnt the bible encourage people to WITNESS his word and spread his word and how is this any different than other religions spreading their word there is a difference between living and spreading the word and acting out to harm people ======================================= there are occasions in the bible where God instructed people to be killed and some people could still use this as justification for murder (as in bombing abortion clinics) ======================================== The only place anything along these lines are in the old testament. And that is because people were judged for their sins while still on earth. Hand for a hand, eye for an eye. Jesus fullfilled the old testament and is now the judge of us all, we are no longer to judge others in anyway. -------------------------------------- ====================================== my second question is doesnt the bible encourage people to WITNESS his word and spread his word and how is this any different than other religions spreading their word ====================================== This is different because God tells us to treat others with respect, love, and care. We are to give the shirt off our backs, we are to love others more then we even love ourselves. That is how it's different, it promotes and spreads love and care in regards to believe in my God or DIE!!!. I think if we are honest, there is divide amongst 'christians' about whether the old testament is still law or not there are sections that say the laws wont pass until they are ALL Fulfilled, and many many have different interpretations of whether that fulfillment has happened |
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my first question is how do you convert someone by killing them people who do this are mentally and emotionally unstable and picking the parts of their religious book that reinforce their illness there are occasions in the bible where God instructed people to be killed and some people could still use this as justification for murder (as in bombing abortion clinics) people can and do distort religious teachings to justify their lives,, the Qu ran is no exception to such distortion,,,, my second question is doesnt the bible encourage people to WITNESS his word and spread his word and how is this any different than other religions spreading their word there is a difference between living and spreading the word and acting out to harm people ======================================= there are occasions in the bible where God instructed people to be killed and some people could still use this as justification for murder (as in bombing abortion clinics) ======================================== The only place anything along these lines are in the old testament. And that is because people were judged for their sins while still on earth. Hand for a hand, eye for an eye. Jesus fullfilled the old testament and is now the judge of us all, we are no longer to judge others in anyway. -------------------------------------- ====================================== my second question is doesnt the bible encourage people to WITNESS his word and spread his word and how is this any different than other religions spreading their word ====================================== This is different because God tells us to treat others with respect, love, and care. We are to give the shirt off our backs, we are to love others more then we even love ourselves. That is how it's different, it promotes and spreads love and care in regards to believe in my God or DIE!!!. I think if we are honest, there is divide amongst 'christians' about whether the old testament is still law or not there are sections that say the laws wont pass until they are ALL Fulfilled, and many many have different interpretations of whether that fulfillment has happened Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. ==================================================== There are many verses that show the fulfilment Jesus did, but this one is the most straight up and forward one that i know of. Now before anything gets twisted especially by those that pick things apart and take it way out of context, the law that he was talking about in this verse HAD to have been the old testament. Had to be because of the simple fact Jesus is the new testament and was giving that to us. Since at this time the new testament *new law* Jesus couldn't have been possibly here to fulfil it. That only leaves Jesus fulfiling the old testament *old law* |
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Being killed on God's name and suicide bombing for your God is two different things. If someone threatened my life if I didn't say i worship buddha, mohomid, or any other God head they would kill me and i didn't change my ways of believing and was then killed...... THAT would be killed in God's name. Being killed in God's name has nothing to do with going out waring or "crusading" in God's name. Being killed in God's name and killing in God's name are two TOTALLY different things. Says who? According to the Old Testament the Christian God did indeed command that people seek out heathens and murder them in his name. He even told them to murder the wives and children of the heathens and destroy the villages from whence they came. It's the same demented mythological God. There's no difference. The Christians ultimately worship the same God as the Muslims. Jesus is supposed to be the son of that God. In fact, take that away from Jesus and Jesus becomes a nobody. He would then just be a mortal man with an opinion. The only thing that gives the Christian's view of Jesus any clout is that they are attempting to claim that he's the son of the God of the Old Testament. Jesus has no clout of his own. |
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Being killed on God's name and suicide bombing for your God is two different things. If someone threatened my life if I didn't say i worship buddha, mohomid, or any other God head they would kill me and i didn't change my ways of believing and was then killed...... THAT would be killed in God's name. Being killed in God's name has nothing to do with going out waring or "crusading" in God's name. Being killed in God's name and killing in God's name are two TOTALLY different things. Says who? According to the Old Testament the Christian God did indeed command that people seek out heathens and murder them in his name. He even told them to murder the wives and children of the heathens and destroy the villages from whence they came. It's the same demented mythological God. There's no difference. The Christians ultimately worship the same God as the Muslims. Jesus is supposed to be the son of that God. In fact, take that away from Jesus and Jesus becomes a nobody. He would then just be a mortal man with an opinion. The only thing that gives the Christian's view of Jesus any clout is that they are attempting to claim that he's the son of the God of the Old Testament. Jesus has no clout of his own. ====================================== According to the Old Testament the Christian God did indeed command that people seek out heathens and murder them in his name. He even told them to murder the wives and children of the heathens and destroy the villages from whence they came. ======================================= Got one simple thing to say bout that. Again, before Jesus walked this earth people were judged ON EARTH for their sins, and the ONLY reward for sin is DEATH. |
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Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. ==================================================== There are many verses that show the fulfilment Jesus did, but this one is the most straight up and forward one that i know of. Now before anything gets twisted especially by those that pick things apart and take it way out of context, the law that he was talking about in this verse HAD to have been the old testament. Had to be because of the simple fact Jesus is the new testament and was giving that to us. Since at this time the new testament *new law* Jesus couldn't have been possibly here to fulfil it. That only leaves Jesus fulfiling the old testament *old law* That won't work for Christianity, because the Christians still renounce same-gender love, and they still believe in The Ten Commandments, etc. In other words, what you are suggesting here would just amount to nothing more than a whole can of worms of which parts of the OT should remain in effect and which parts should be discarded. The whole idea that Jesus was bringing a 'New Law' simply makes no sense because he never made any such claim. What makes far more sense is that Jesus was indeed just an enlightened sage who was attempting to assure his pupils that he did not come to destroy their old beliefs but rather to emphasize the good qualities of those teachings. And that certainly fits in with what he actually taught because it's clear that Jesus did not approve of much of what was taught by the Old Testament. So Jesus was just a very wise mortal man who was trying to show the way away from the old superstitions, myths, and misunderstandings. Jesus was actually anti-religion, really. |
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Got one simple thing to say bout that. Again, before Jesus walked this earth people were judged ON EARTH for their sins, and the ONLY reward for sin is DEATH. Well that would have been utterly stupid because Christians hold that every mortal man is a sinner, so everyone would receive the death penalty. Moreover, if you want to make this to be the premise of the mythology then no soul that lived prior to Jesus could be resurrected. Because this wouldn't fit in with what you are attempting to claim here. But according to Matthew old souls were resurrected at the same time as Jesus. Matthew 27: [50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. [51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; [52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, [53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. That pretty much blows your theory clean out of the water. |
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Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. ==================================================== There are many verses that show the fulfilment Jesus did, but this one is the most straight up and forward one that i know of. Now before anything gets twisted especially by those that pick things apart and take it way out of context, the law that he was talking about in this verse HAD to have been the old testament. Had to be because of the simple fact Jesus is the new testament and was giving that to us. Since at this time the new testament *new law* Jesus couldn't have been possibly here to fulfil it. That only leaves Jesus fulfiling the old testament *old law* That won't work for Christianity, because the Christians still renounce same-gender love, and they still believe in The Ten Commandments, etc. In other words, what you are suggesting here would just amount to nothing more than a whole can of worms of which parts of the OT should remain in effect and which parts should be discarded. The whole idea that Jesus was bringing a 'New Law' simply makes no sense because he never made any such claim. What makes far more sense is that Jesus was indeed just an enlightened sage who was attempting to assure his pupils that he did not come to destroy their old beliefs but rather to emphasize the good qualities of those teachings. And that certainly fits in with what he actually taught because it's clear that Jesus did not approve of much of what was taught by the Old Testament. So Jesus was just a very wise mortal man who was trying to show the way away from the old superstitions, myths, and misunderstandings. Jesus was actually anti-religion, really. Oh but that is again where you're wrong. Yes the "10 commandments" was in the old testament thus making it void. But obviousely you don't know the teachings of Jesus/new testament as well as you like to show you do. Cause the 10 commandments can be found all through the new testament, just not put together all pretty in on place. For instance - The first four of the Ten Commandments teach man how to love God. “You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make unto you any graven image…You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain…Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy” (Ex. 20:3-8). In Matthew 22, Christ summarized these four, saying, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment” (vs. 37-38). ===================== And i can go on further if you wish. |
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Got one simple thing to say bout that. Again, before Jesus walked this earth people were judged ON EARTH for their sins, and the ONLY reward for sin is DEATH. Well that would have been utterly stupid because Christians hold that every mortal man is a sinner, so everyone would receive the death penalty. Moreover, if you want to make this to be the premise of the mythology then no soul that lived prior to Jesus could be resurrected. Because this wouldn't fit in with what you are attempting to claim here. But according to Matthew old souls were resurrected at the same time as Jesus. Matthew 27: [50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. [51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; [52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, [53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. That pretty much blows your theory clean out of the water. How does that blow it out of the water? There is a difference between death of the spirit and death of the mortal body. EVERYONE'S mortal body will die yes. ========================= [52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, ========================== Nottice, it says MANY bodies of the saints which slept rose. Many my friend, not all, just many. And again, yes this "mortal body" may die/pass away, but that is not DEATH my friend. |
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Got one simple thing to say bout that. Again, before Jesus walked this earth people were judged ON EARTH for their sins, and the ONLY reward for sin is DEATH. Well that would have been utterly stupid because Christians hold that every mortal man is a sinner, so everyone would receive the death penalty. Moreover, if you want to make this to be the premise of the mythology then no soul that lived prior to Jesus could be resurrected. Because this wouldn't fit in with what you are attempting to claim here. But according to Matthew old souls were resurrected at the same time as Jesus. Matthew 27: [50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. [51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; [52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, [53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. That pretty much blows your theory clean out of the water. How does that blow it out of the water? There is a difference between death of the spirit and death of the mortal body. EVERYONE'S mortal body will die yes. ========================= [52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, ========================== Nottice, it says MANY bodies of the saints which slept rose. Many my friend, not all, just many. And again, yes this "mortal body" may die/pass away, but that is not DEATH my friend. Just noticed something else thought i'd point out. "which slept rose" So obviously when we physically die, we're not "dead". But in this agnostic world people have to find a common ground and common way to communicate as to not offend anyone. Which then is why we call the passing away of someone death. |
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How does that blow it out of the water? There is a difference between death of the spirit and death of the mortal body. EVERYONE'S mortal body will die yes. ========================= [52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, ========================== Nottice, it says MANY bodies of the saints which slept rose. Many my friend, not all, just many. And again, yes this "mortal body" may die/pass away, but that is not DEATH my friend. It doesn't matter how many there were. Even one would be enough. Moreover, that very claim of Matthew's pretty much blows away any idea that we should be looking for some future 'judgment day' clearly it would have already started. So the whole mythology breaks down once again. It's ridiculous, you may as well be trying to salvage Greek Mythology, it's never going to work. The only sane explanation that makes any sense at all is that Jesus was a mortal man who tried to get people to move away from those stupid mythologies and instead base their lives on the common sense moral teachings of Buddha and others. That makes perfect sense, and doesn't require a belief in a foolish inept Godhead who directs people to murder sinners and heathens on moment, and then sends his son to teach them precisely the opposite philosophy the next. That's a picture of an extremely confused and inept God. Not to mention a previously demented one. Just accept that Jesus was a very wise mortal man, and all those ridiculous problems go away. |
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How does that blow it out of the water? There is a difference between death of the spirit and death of the mortal body. EVERYONE'S mortal body will die yes. ========================= [52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, ========================== Nottice, it says MANY bodies of the saints which slept rose. Many my friend, not all, just many. And again, yes this "mortal body" may die/pass away, but that is not DEATH my friend. It doesn't matter how many there were. Even one would be enough. Moreover, that very claim of Matthew's pretty much blows away any idea that we should be looking for some future 'judgment day' clearly it would have already started. So the whole mythology breaks down once again. It's ridiculous, you may as well be trying to salvage Greek Mythology, it's never going to work. The only sane explanation that makes any sense at all is that Jesus was a mortal man who tried to get people to move away from those stupid mythologies and instead base their lives on the common sense moral teachings of Buddha and others. That makes perfect sense, and doesn't require a belief in a foolish inept Godhead who directs people to murder sinners and heathens on moment, and then sends his son to teach them precisely the opposite philosophy the next. That's a picture of an extremely confused and inept God. Not to mention a previously demented one. Just accept that Jesus was a very wise mortal man, and all those ridiculous problems go away. ============================== Moreover, that very claim of Matthew's pretty much blows away any idea that we should be looking for some future 'judgment day' clearly it would have already started. ============================== Jesus is the judge my friend. And they were judged and that is why only "many bodies" rose. Nottice it also says ALL the graves were open, but only many bodies rose......... They were all judged, some earned heaven, some earned to cease to exist. So no blowing away of ANYTHING. And is why Jesus offers forgiveness, we aren't "sentenced" to death for ANYTHING we've done in our lives. All we have to do is repent and ask for forgiveness. |
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my second question is doesnt the bible encourage people to WITNESS his word and spread his word and how is this any different than other religions spreading their word No - actually according to some scriptures, salvation has nothing to do with belief in God, reading scripture, or believing that Jesus existed at all. So there is absolutely no point in missionary pursuits which attempt to accomplish any of those goals. And since all of Biblical scripture is believed by the various Judeo-Christian religions to be the “inspired word of God” and as such it contains no errors. (of course that does mean interpretational errors might not exist - but that kinda thows believers in a quantrey, because if true believers are guided to their beliefs through the Holy spirit...well, you can finish the rest of the though.) Here is my example to support my argument: Mark 10:17-25: 17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. 21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. 22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions. 23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Notice that of the 10 commandments ONLY these were invoked by Jesus – “Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.” So what does it take to inherit eternal life? Obviously Jesus did not think the first 4 commandments were necessary. 1. You shall have no other gods before me. 2. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name. 4. Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Perhaps this has something to do with the fact that Jesus did not consider himself good because only God is good. Therefore, he could not be god, nor any more a son of god than any other man. So he could not have KNOWN that future Christians would think so and REQUIRE belief in Jesus’ divinity as part of the ticket to salvation. Obviously this notion has a lot of other issues tied to it, but for the moment, what is relevant is that salvation, according to Jesus, is by works alone and neither belief in God or Jesus, as god, are necessary, which is why Jesus did not iterate the first four commandments when questioned about salvation. SO, a shorter answer to the poster who asked: my second question is doesnt the bible encourage people to WITNESS his word and spread his word and how is this any different than other religions spreading their word No - witnessing, teaching, or proselytizing is NOT necessary because salvation is not dependent on faith or belief, only on works. So perhaps, those who have a ‘personal’ relationship with God are jealous because they are required to include the first four of the ten commandments in their actions – while non-believers are not? So they might just want to make sure others are tied down to the same rules. (just a guess) |
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I think we need to just outlaw 'organized' religions altogether. People should be free to believe however they like on a personal level, but let's not have any more organized religions that preach to the masses that one religion is closer to the 'word of God' than another. No more proselytizing, and no more 'religious organizations' involved with politics. If individuals what to vote their personal beliefs so be it. But it should be outlawed that they preach their personal beliefs to others in the form of an organized religion or by claiming that "God supports their agenda, or that they are supposedly supporting God's agenda". Instead of they want to have a political rally just do on pure principle of their own personal opinions and views and don't make any religious claims beyond that. Religions are clearly a source of hostility and war mongering. History has shown us the truth of this. Even the attacks on 9/11 were religiously motivation without question. Religion is clearly a source of hostility and hate. And now just look at what's happening, the atheists are caught up in a war between Christians and Muslims, and every time the Atheists speak out against religions the religious people say, "Why should you care about religion it clearly has nothing to do with you!" How ignorant is that? Atheists are supposed to just sit by and watch the Christians and Muslims use their diverse opinions about the "SAME GOD" to blow each other up right along with all the atheists who are innocently standing on the sidelines and supposed to remain silent? Those arrogant Christians and Muslims are going to destroy the entire human race in the name of their single confused God. These religions are a prime example of why religions that are based on a jealous God are extremely dangerous and unhealthy. The Christians and Muslims are born of the same religion! The both supposedly worship the same God, yet they have come to hate each others guts and have absolutely no respect for any 'outsiders' who aren't part of their religious hate-wars. it's disgusting. Truly disgusting. Religions that are based on a jealous God who hates heathens should be banned as "demon worship". That would eliminate Christianity and Islam from the face of the planet. I think some Jews could potentially slip by proclaiming that they ultimately view God pantheistically, but they'd have to give up on claiming that the Ten Commandments came from God then. I'm not sure what the Jews could get away with to be honest. But those Christians and Muslims both need to get their heads out their hateful dogmas and start realizing that they are living on a planet with REAL PEOPLE! Atheists, Wiccans, Buddhists, and many other loving spiritual people who do not worship a hateful jealous judgmental Zeus-like Godhead are having their lives totally destroyed by the hateful arrogant Christians and Muslims. This crap has to STOP! These Christians and Muslims who use God as an excuse to hate each other and the rest of the world just has to STOP. Something needs to be done about these horrible hateful religions. Before the innocent and loving atheists, Wiccans, Buddhists and others are hurt in the hateful crossfire between those sick Abrahamic religions. There's got to be some way to stop the hate that goes on in the name of God. Christians are especially guilty for spreading hatred in the name of Jesus. What a horrible example they display in the name of Jesus. It's just shame beyond shame. ============================================================ These religions are a prime example of why religions that are based on a jealous God are extremely dangerous and unhealthy. The Christians and Muslims are born of the same religion! The both supposedly worship the same God, yet they have come to hate each others guts and have absolutely no respect for any 'outsiders' who aren't part of their religious hate-wars. ============================================================== Christianity and Muslims are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ALIKE my friend. Heck muslims are the ones running planes into trade centers. This is totally and completely opposite of the Christian faith. They ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. And the war in the middle east right now has NOTHING to do with religion. This is ALL over freaking oil, money, and greed. Nothing to do with any belief in God. this is false and dangerous logic,, all Gods creations have more in common than they have different, although their actions and beliefs might run a gammit of ranges the Quran and the Bible have NUMEROUS similarities, and people will continue to allow culture to affect how they are interpreted,, Yes of course all religions will have "similarities". But what it all boils down to is what makes them both completely different. Heck just the bottom line of the Muslims and the reason they were alright with doing the suicide planes is they will get 72 virgins and ever lasting life. This is absolutely and completely totally different then Christianity. With Christianity you get favor with God and eternal life by doing loving things.......... doing God's will and following the law. By treating one another like we should, with respect and love. Heck killing people is AGAINST God's will, and even deeper then that, suicide is a straight ticket to the middle of no where. be cautious, we study our own book but take the word of media and western cultures to understand others The Qur’an and valid authentic Hadiths are very clear about what happens to anyone who commits suicide. According to Hadiths: Quote: ——————————————————————————– Committing Suicide is a Major Sin: Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 445: Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, “A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.” Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 73: Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak: ”And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection. ....it is the INTERVENTION OF CULTURE, which picks and chooses how to interpret any religious writing,,,,,the same distortions have been made of the Qu ran as have been made of the Bible think about those who claim christianity is about violence because of SOME of the biblical passages, and be careful not to do the same thing with the religious books of others,,,, just my humble advice and my opinion,,,,,be blessed Suicide and what they did on 911 are two different things by the muslim belief. --------------------------------------------- But the Hamas spokesman correctly uses the word martyr (shahid) and not suicide bomber, since those who blow themselves up almost daily in Israel and those who died on September 11 were dying in the noblest of all causes, Jihad, which is an incumbent religious duty, established in the Koran and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined for the purpose of advancing Islam. While suicide is forbidden, martyrdom is everywhere praised, welcomed, and urged: "By the Being in Whose Hand is my life, I love that I should be killed in the way of Allah; then I should be brought back to life and be killed again in His way..."; "The Prophet said, 'Nobody who enters Paradise will ever like to return to this world even if he were offered everything, except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed 10 times for the sake of the great honour that has been bestowed upon him'." [Sahih Muslim, chapters 781, 782, The Merit of Jihad and the Merit of Martyrdom.] ----------------------------------------------- I think this is also a false interpretation,, but the debate will never end,, people will believe what they believe is this any different than what the bible teaches about people being killed in Gods name, would that mean Christianity condones killing of ONESELF for God? I just dont see the huge difference in anything but the interpretation of it... My last post wasn't totally clear on this issue, so i'll respond again hopefully making it more clear. Say a Jihad came to America and just killed EVERYONE that would not convert. The ones that took the death and didn't convert would be dieing in God's name. It's NOT however the same as going somewhere else to try to destroy other beliefs. We are not to infringe on anyone else especially forcibly. It is totally up to the individual, whom which will be judged on their decision. Why is it throughout the various discussions some poeple feel they can decide what is infringement of others (rights, beliefs, freedoms, liberties...) and what is not. Of course most of those I speak of are basing their turn abouts on religious beliefs ... Ok nevermind that explains it - religous text is so full of ambiguity, duelism, and pluralism that it's just not possible to maintain a consistent ideology. |
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