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Topic: Failing to succeed
imsingle951's photo
Thu 06/10/10 11:52 PM

Sometimes

we have to follow our hearts...

It may be scary....

And we might fail...and we might get hurt....

But we won't die

we will pick ourselves up...and go on

good luck to to you


Love
tammy:heart:
What she said. Mike

tanyaann's photo
Fri 06/11/10 05:42 AM
Often it's the first step/jump/leap that is the hardest. The fear of the unknown is powerful. Do your research. Have a back-up plan. Think of all possibilities and consequences. AND GO FOR IT! flowerforyou

Totage's photo
Fri 06/11/10 11:40 PM
Well, it's too late to go back now. I called off work today and tried to get my two weeks vacation, but it didn't go over too well. But, I did book a hotel reservation for next month, so we'll see how that goes.

I think things will work out. I saw alot of jobs online today. Looks like I'll be pretty busy when I get down there.

Monday I'm going to start talking to some people around here to see if they're interested in web hosting for their business.

fifijones's photo
Sat 06/12/10 12:00 AM
I bet you just can't wait to get your toes wet in the surf! How exciting! Even if you starve a little bit and have to sleep on the beach for a few days, it'll be great! I've starved and slept in my car; things never stay bad if you don't want them to, so don't worry about that. Wooohoooo! An adventure!

Totage's photo
Sat 06/12/10 12:07 AM
Yeah, I can't wait to visit the ocean again. I was a bit intimdated by the ocean last time I went though, I'm not sure why. I did see dolphins which was awesome though.

Things are pretty good so far, but yeah even if things get a little bad, I'll get through it.

no photo
Sat 06/12/10 04:13 PM
I admire that. I would do it myself, if it never meant missing my close friends and family. I'm rubbish at getting used to missing people.

freeonthree's photo
Sat 06/12/10 04:15 PM

Well, I think I'm going to quit my job today. I been wanting to move out of state of a long while now, and I'm finally going to push myself to do so now, or I will never do it.

Also, I have to go offline to get new clients for my business. I know I could make a killing offline, and charge and arm and a leg. With the market I'm tageting I could easily make $50 or more a month per client, but I will keep my prices low. I don't believe in exploiting and taking advantage of people like that. Besides, once I get some more clients and they see how I can actually help them out, I hope they help spread the word.

Anyway, I've never sold face to face. I don't have any experience in sale or marketing or anything like that. I'm kinda nervous about just going out there and selling like that, but I know there's people that want and need what i have to offer.

Well, my point was this. Sometimes we have to jump out of the nest to find out if we can fly or not. I've been in the nest for too long and I'm ready to start flying.

I know I can reach my goals and I've been too afraid for to long, which is why I haven't met them yet. Well, now I'm just going to do it, scared to death or not, I'm going to succeed.

I don't know if I got out what I wanted to or not with this ramble, but I felt there was a good topic in here somewhere.


What do you sell ?

Totage's photo
Sat 06/12/10 04:43 PM
I sell web hosting services.

no photo
Sat 06/12/10 06:08 PM
Let me give you some advice... please excuse the grammar because it is written off the cuff.

The world is littered with people who said I know what I have to offer is good and people will buy it, then fail.

Firstly you know nothing you only think you know.

So rule one of marketing is do some research to see if what you have to offer is seen as purchasable. Then do some simple costings to see if the demand will sustain your expected growth. A simple profit and loss calculation will show expected income and expenditure.

You cannot do any of the very simple things above till you understand your market and its sectors.

It is no good selling toilet paper to a bidet manufacturer is it.
So you have your idea and you have worked out from your research what markets to sell your product or service in and the most profitable sectors within that market where growth can occur.
So you have ascertained the following

Is there a demand and where is that demand driven from.
Now consider your competitors

Where do they differ from you and where do you differ from them, what benefits does your service or product have over others, what additional benefits can your product or service offer that your competitors do not.

Do not make a mistake and think price is a determining factor

I can sell it cheaper therefore I can make money lol

Hmm what about back up, guarantees. Service levels, customer service values, response times, to name but a few!

Then consider how you are going to sell it. Whether you have to adjust your price back up, service values etc etc and your marketing to suit your chosen markets; also if any further adjustments are needed to secure sales or growth within their sectors. Including your marketing or promotional activities.

The two last steps are easy

If you are going to sell this yourself, administer the process yourself, do your own marketing, produce the product yourself, find the customers yourself anon anon you should have worked out how much time each part of the overall process will have taken.
From this you should be able to work out how many hours it will take from enquiry to sale,,,,,,, then go back and adjust your profit and loss accordingly.

One final thing to quickly run over is the sales process itself,,,,, you know the simple bit?

Getting your customers to buy the product or service!

One

People buy people period, and you have three seconds to make an impression so the hello how are you is the catalyst to the sale.

Are you confident, how is your demeanour, are you clean are you smart, what does your body language portray, do you have an opening script, can you answer all and every objection like I am not interested thanks, can you determine from the answer buying signals.
Can you evaluate your errors and adjust your script for a better closing introduction to appointment rate; in turn increasing your appointment to sale rate.

And that’s just getting in the door? And we have only touched on marketing, sales, activity, time management.... lol

I am not trying to put you off but a fundamental analysis of getting from A to B is determined by what mode of transport is used and what deviations in direction is needed to get there in the most efficient way.

A simple analogy of the complexity of the task can be evaluated in this simple way

Buy an ice cream van.

What kind of ice cream and lollies are you going to sell and where are you going to sell them.

What additional extras will help maximise your sales,,, ie a chocolate flake, and what additional features will make the customers want to come to your van compared to the others on the same round,,,

ie you give a free dip of coloured sugar as a topping.... and how do you determine if this feature is actually beneficial to your sales #and customer retention.



Totage's photo
Sat 06/12/10 06:16 PM
Edited by Totage on Sat 06/12/10 06:32 PM

Let me give you some advice... please excuse the grammar because it is written off the cuff.

The world is littered with people who said I know what I have to offer is good and people will buy it, then fail.

Firstly you know nothing you only think you know.

So rule one of marketing is do some research to see if what you have to offer is seen as purchasable. Then do some simple costings to see if the demand will sustain your expected growth. A simple profit and loss calculation will show expected income and expenditure.

You cannot do any of the very simple things above till you understand your market and its sectors.

It is no good selling toilet paper to a bidet manufacturer is it.
So you have your idea and you have worked out from your research what markets to sell your product or service in and the most profitable sectors within that market where growth can occur.
So you have ascertained the following

Is there a demand and where is that demand driven from.
Now consider your competitors

Where do they differ from you and where do you differ from them, what benefits does your service or product have over others, what additional benefits can your product or service offer that your competitors do not.

Do not make a mistake and think price is a determining factor

I can sell it cheaper therefore I can make money lol

Hmm what about back up, guarantees. Service levels, customer service values, response times, to name but a few!

Then consider how you are going to sell it. Whether you have to adjust your price back up, service values etc etc and your marketing to suit your chosen markets; also if any further adjustments are needed to secure sales or growth within their sectors. Including your marketing or promotional activities.

The two last steps are easy

If you are going to sell this yourself, administer the process yourself, do your own marketing, produce the product yourself, find the customers yourself anon anon you should have worked out how much time each part of the overall process will have taken.
From this you should be able to work out how many hours it will take from enquiry to sale,,,,,,, then go back and adjust your profit and loss accordingly.

One final thing to quickly run over is the sales process itself,,,,, you know the simple bit?

Getting your customers to buy the product or service!

One

People buy people period, and you have three seconds to make an impression so the hello how are you is the catalyst to the sale.

Are you confident, how is your demeanour, are you clean are you smart, what does your body language portray, do you have an opening script, can you answer all and every objection like I am not interested thanks, can you determine from the answer buying signals.
Can you evaluate your errors and adjust your script for a better closing introduction to appointment rate; in turn increasing your appointment to sale rate.

And that’s just getting in the door? And we have only touched on marketing, sales, activity, time management.... lol

I am not trying to put you off but a fundamental analysis of getting from A to B is determined by what mode of transport is used and what deviations in direction is needed to get there in the most efficient way.

A simple analogy of the complexity of the task can be evaluated in this simple way

Buy an ice cream van.

What kind of ice cream and lollies are you going to sell and where are you going to sell them.

What additional extras will help maximise your sales,,, ie a chocolate flake, and what additional features will make the customers want to come to your van compared to the others on the same round,,,

ie you give a free dip of coloured sugar as a topping.... and how do you determine if this feature is actually beneficial to your sales #and customer retention.





Thanks for the advice. I'll be sure to keep all of what you mentioned in mind. I will admit that I do have a lot of learning and experience to gain. I'm willing and determined to do so.

In fact, I plan on going back to college for a degree in marketing once I move and get settled with a steady stream of income.

Goofball73's photo
Sat 06/12/10 07:14 PM
Dude, two years ago I walked into my bosses office and told him that I just couldn't do the job anymore. I was a Chemical Operator at a Chemical Plant, and the job had just worn on me. So, I left. I walked away. I made great money there, but the money wasn't enough. I needed something new. And now, two years from that, I will be going to nursing school, which is something I NEVER thought I would do. But I want this, and I feel that I have the capabilites to make a great nurse. It is scary as hell, but I also relish this chance to shine and make a new career....one I feel I will have until I retire. I am so happy I left my old job. I would be making a good living right now, instead of living under my means...if I had kept my job. But you know what? In the future, I will be making good money and doing something that I love. And that makes me smile. The journey will be worth it.

Totage's photo
Sat 06/12/10 07:30 PM

Dude, two years ago I walked into my bosses office and told him that I just couldn't do the job anymore. I was a Chemical Operator at a Chemical Plant, and the job had just worn on me. So, I left. I walked away. I made great money there, but the money wasn't enough. I needed something new. And now, two years from that, I will be going to nursing school, which is something I NEVER thought I would do. But I want this, and I feel that I have the capabilites to make a great nurse. It is scary as hell, but I also relish this chance to shine and make a new career....one I feel I will have until I retire. I am so happy I left my old job. I would be making a good living right now, instead of living under my means...if I had kept my job. But you know what? In the future, I will be making good money and doing something that I love. And that makes me smile. The journey will be worth it.


That's awesome, I hope it works out for you.

I did PCB plating. I found out that plating is definetly not what I want to be doing the rest of my life. I did have it pretty easy though, my lines were all automated, and most plating is done manually. I didn't have to program any of the jobs either, that was managements job. I don't much care for the company I was working for either. The way I would feel was unbearable, I had to get out of there.

Goofball73's photo
Sat 06/12/10 10:42 PM
It is scary to start over. Or to begin a new career path. But it is also exciting because you can honestly see where you are headed. You feel liberated, alive. And yet, I know that when I am in school I will have those moments where I ask myself "What the hell was I thinking?"laugh


Totage's photo
Sat 06/12/10 10:45 PM

It is scary to start over. Or to begin a new career path. But it is also exciting because you can honestly see where you are headed. You feel liberated, alive. And yet, I know that when I am in school I will have those moments where I ask myself "What the hell was I thinking?"laugh




Yeah, that's how I feel right now. laugh I'm like "Yeah! I finally did it! This is going to be awesome!", but I'm also like "What the hell did I just do?"

s1owhand's photo
Sat 06/12/10 10:53 PM

It is scary to start over. Or to begin a new career path. But it is also exciting because you can honestly see where you are headed. You feel liberated, alive. And yet, I know that when I am in school I will have those moments where I ask myself "What the hell was I thinking?"laugh




sponge washing the hot chicks once in a while?

laugh

Atlantis75's photo
Sat 06/12/10 11:19 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Sat 06/12/10 11:19 PM



Yeah, that's how I feel right now. laugh I'm like "Yeah! I finally did it! This is going to be awesome!", but I'm also like "What the hell did I just do?"


That question didn't hit me until they kicked me out of the bad at 3am on the 2nd Day in Fort Benning, back in '95.

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