so.......
im going to hell in a lot of peoples eyes, im comfortable with that. i
have a comment that i would love to see spurred into a logical
debate.....unfortunately this is a hit and run and i will have to look
at the posts tommorrow, but if you will please leave a little.

man for sometime has decided that it is the center of the universe. even
if you believe in the vastness of the universe it still comes back to
us. we are arrogant that way. i think we need to feel like we have this
huge purpose. but anyway, for the god allah , prophets etc people, are
we alone in the universe?

if no- is their religion right or wrong?

if yes- center of the universe? 6.5 billion people on the planet,,,only
about 1 billion people have the 'right' religion? what about the
different sects within the religion (theres only about 1000 different in
christianity)which one of them is right?

is there a common religion in the world hidden underneath the fabric of
the rest of them, something that links them all together in the same way
that there is human rights observed by everybody? you know like the
right to breath.

ok well whatever looking forward to seeing whatever is said.
thanks

everything is linked by one God, whatever name each religion wants to
give Him.

why is there always a religion forum?

TheLonelyWalker,

My friend, I cannot understand this position. Jesus spoke of one narrow
way to heaven, not many broad paths. Can you offer any scriptures to
support this belief? I know that non-Christians are a law unto
themselves, but it's a huge strech to say that all religions have the
same god. Voodoo? Hinduism? Buddism? Satanism? Satanism has the
same god as Christianity? It just seems like a very worldly thing that
you have said and to me, it lacks any spiritual depth.

My dear brother spider:
satanism as far as I'm concern is not a religion because this people are
an aberration.
I have one single point God the Heavenly Father can't be just the Father
of a selected group of people.
I really believe that God is more Universal than that.
U r wise man due to study of the sripture, and I respect that.
I don't have anything from the bible to suppor my thesis, but i truely
believe that God is bigger and broader.
My sincere believe is that a human being who accepts his/her own defects
and works hard to love all the other creatures deserves the same heaven
I'm working so hard to get.

Regards.

TLW

Straight is the Gate and narrow is the way...

God provides for each of us. Take a single step... Is not your step
narrow? Is not that Gate allways Straight in front of you?

Aye there is more than one way to look at words.

the way truly is narrow for it fits what you are. The gate will allways
be straight in front of you for it is your gate. God is greater than a
simple set of man made rules and yet a simple man can understand more
than can one of great learning.

TLW I wouldn't worry my brother.

The Word of God is written in our hearts with more accuracy than the
words of man can discribe it.

thank you AB

Doc - after pondering your topic for a while, I can come up with only
one thing that seems to unite the majority, if not all religions and it
is not necessarily god/s. Rather, it seems to be that this vast
majority feel so unbelievably, singularly, unique and special that they
must somehow continue on even after the demise of the body.

So doc, it sort of seems like you are correct, when you say that 'man'
believes they are the center of the universe, for they can not fathom
not existing in some form or another within the universe.

Red if you look around are you not the center of all that you see?

While you and I together might have a mutual center you and I apart each
is at the center of our own individual universe.

well army doc

maybe you will meet those who choose

to cast you there

as last i heard is was not up to humans to decide

Red wrote:
“So doc, it sort of seems like you are correct, when you say that
'man' believes they are the center of the universe, for they can not
fathom not existing in some form or another within the universe.”

I would love to cease to exist. Unfortunately, I don’t believe
that’s possible. Where would I go?

Armydoc wrote:
“is there a common religion in the world hidden underneath the fabric
of the rest of them, something that links them all together in the same
way that there is human rights observed by everybody? you know like the
right to breath..”

Pantheism

AB you ask me: """ Red if you look around are you not the center of all
that you see?"""

A question that made me think. I have never felt like I was at the
center of my life. My life, while it is my own, has never seemed, to
me, to be central in the universe. In fact, I have always felt quite
small and inconsequential when considering the whole of our universe. I
have often envisioned myself on the fringes of all that goes on within
humanity.

So to answer your question, no, I do not look outside myself with eyes
that can only see a circumference of equal distance. I look outside
myself and cannot even imagine how small I am in comparison to the
vastness and wonders that that this universe contains.

Abra, you ask "where would I go?"

I ask you, where did you come from?

Your frame of reference indicates what you believe, that you are, at
least in part, the God that claims to be without beginning and without
end, the Alpha and the Omega. Yet the universe had a beginning, it will
have an end, and then what of the God?

Red wrote:
“Yet the universe had a beginning, it will have an end, and then what
of the God?”

You don’t know that.

Sure, it’s true that science has a theory of the “Big Bang”, and
their evidence supports this theory quite profoundly. However, any
scientist worth his salt will tell you that no one knows what banged or
precisely how the bang was initiated. There is absolutely no proof (or
even a serious suggestion) that the universe came into existence at the
moment of the Big Bang. That could have simply been a transition from a
previous state.

Moreover, Relativity Theory gives us much reason to believe that there
is no such thing as time. What we perceive as time is merely an
illusion. In fact, the effects of Relativity (which have been observed)
prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that time is in fact an illusion.

I certainly don’t want to go into this in a post, but Relativity
basically shows that the time that we experience is merely a fabrication
of the space we are experiencing.

To be brief, there is no difference between ‘now’ and
‘eternity’. Time is not what we thought it was. Just like
Einstein’s famous equation E = mc^2 shows the matter and energy are
interchangeable, the laws of Relativity Theory show that time and space
are interchangeable

There’s no doubt in my mind that there is no such thing as time as we
perceive it. If you exist now then you’ve always existed because
there simply is no other time in which to not exist.

The popular belief that we came into being at our birth is pretty much
taken for granted. But that idea is riddled with paradoxes if you
actually stop to think about it. People think that a spirit is
‘created’ at birth, but they refuse to believe that it ceases to
exist when the body dies. How silly is that?

Why should a physical body being conceived ‘create’ a spirit? And,
if that were the case, then why should that spirit then just die when
the body dies? People make these things up in a desperate attempt to
keep from having to face the fact that they might die.

But let’s just assume for a second that living beings have a spirit.
What the hell, we’re in the religion forum I suppose that concept
should be acceptable.

So why would that spirit have been created during physical birth? What
does a physical body have to do with a spirit? Well, the answer to
that should be quite evident. It has nothing to do with a spirit!

Our spirits always exist whether we are in our physical form (the form
of matter) or in our natural form of pure energy. We chose to be in
this incarnation. No one is here against their will. And everyone made
the choice to be born into this world prior to that event.

Religions only exist because people have forgotten who they are.

The universe will not end. Even if it appears to have a physical end
where will all the energy go? Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
How can the universe be destroyed? If it ceases to exist physically
then it must have gone back into its natural form of pure energy.
Perhaps to have another Big Bang?

Don’t listen to the physicists (even though I am one of them), because
in the end, neither science nor mathematics can possibly explain this
universe. That would be like pulling yourself up by your own
bootstraps. In our universe 1+1=2, but in the state of pure energy
there is only one. Mathematics is meaningless to god. Mathematics is
nothing more than a reflection of the quantitative physical world of
matter.

Abra, Thanks for your explanation. I agree with much of what you say
about time. I was a teenager when I grasped the idea that time is an
illusion. I actually like your ideas or your beliefs. As far as
beliefs go, I can relate to them beyond any others I have been
acquainted with.

What I have always had a problem with, is the whole pure energy thing.
To imagine that energy has a thought process at all is not within my
grasp.

Further you assign creative impulses to that thought which allow us to
materialize through a whole birth process, just to experience life in
this dimension. Yet with each, incarnation from energy to the physical
there is no recollection.

The theory is then complicated by this illusion of time. That somehow
through this concept of space and time being relative, every experience
has already occurred. Thus making these experiences more dream than
reality.

And what has the entity that began as energy learned from dreaming?
What's more, because this is a cycle that extends through eternity then
you make energy the only possible infinite
in the universe energy - US.

I can see why you would want an end, because I would not want to spend
eternity dreaming of things that have happened over & over. This is no
better an existence than the heaven that some Christians believe awaits
them.

Abracadabra writes:

"Don’t listen to the physicists (even though I am one of them),
because
in the end, neither science nor mathematics can possibly explain this
universe. That would be like pulling yourself up by your own
bootstraps. In our universe 1+1=2, but in the state of pure energy
there is only one. Mathematics is meaningless to god. Mathematics is
nothing more than a reflection of the quantitative physical world of
matter. "

Ah! So God *does* play dice with the Universe, eh? (See, engineers have
a short attention span when physicists go on and on about what they
don't know and what can't be done, and then we just go out and do it
anyway:) She just plays it with an infinite number of infinite-sided
die.

-Kerry O., channeling the Chief Engineer, who nowhere and nowhen in the
23rd over dimension of the Mulitiverse is laffing and saying, "There.
That oughta goof things up for those arrogant little know-it-alls for a
bit."

>> The universe will not end. Even if it appears to have a physical end where will all the energy go?

Ab, what if the universe expands forever and entropy increases towards
its maximum level?

This would not be the 'end' of the universe itself, but wouldn't it be
the end of all life in the universe, indeed all active processes of any
kind?