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Edited by
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Oh yeah ... She can't draw the flag of our country without having 'teacher' jump down her throat, but she can listen to 'teacher' praise another student's drawing of 'The ONE' ... ? Oh no ...
http://www.breitbart.tv/teacher-deems-students-american-flag-drawing-offensive/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter And the student STILL hasn't received an apology OR a reason from the 'teacher' about WHAT was 'offensive' ... I mean, besides the 'teacher's behavior ... |
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not that I agree,, but it was PROBABLY more about the words God Bless America than it was about the flag,,,
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I suppose praise be to allah would now be more appropriate?
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 05/10/10 04:38 PM
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I suppose praise be to allah would now be more appropriate? no , actually along those standards, a student drawing the Iraq flag would probably not be an issue UNLESS they put the words praise be to allah on it,,, I think people are UBER sensitive about religious beliefs anywhere near schools so they over step their bounds with 'good intentions', its very similar, in my opinion, to not allowing a grad to play a piano piece in their graduation which has religious lyrics(although the words will not be being sung,,,) I am a proponent to sticking to the basic learning principles in school, but it is a shame that we are so religioulsy divided / intimidated that our freedom to religious expression is seen so differently from our freedom to any other kind,, |
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Edited by
willing2
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Mon 05/10/10 04:53 PM
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The battle over the American flag has reached a middle school art class in California’s Santa Rita School District where a student was told not to draw Old Glory because it was “offensive,” but another student — in the same class – was praised for drawing a picture of President Obama.
Nope. It was about the flag! Now, a picture of Hussein is repulsive.  I like this fellows response; When I was in school in the 50s and 60s my teachers where all proud Americans…This would NEVER happen. WE said School prayers…We said the Allegiance to the Flag…We wore our Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts and Girls Scouts uniforms to school..We were taught about the great events in American history…we had Washington’s and Lincoln’s birthdays….we all watched the 1st astronauts take off on TV…we watched Davy Crockett and Father Knows Best on TV. WE were home when the lights came on..We showed respect for all older folks. We went to Boy’s confession…and to Church on Sunday…We saluted the Flag. We were amazed when we saw the Military march in parades.We called our Dads “Sir”. We called our Teachers “Sir” and “Mame” or “Miss” if we did something wrong in school we got slapped on the hands…or got the belt at home. We were taught to respect the Flag…America…Women…Family..Country…our teachers never gave us any reason to disrespect them at all. Now…we have Socialist…Atheist…America Flag hating…Radical…Teachers like this one and thousands all across the country teaching anti-America propaganda..indoctrinating innocent minds into lives of Sin…bashing God…bashing the Constitution…Bashing America…propping up other countries and other political systems that are actually enemies of America….all with the support of their radical Unions…Superintendents…and School Committees…and Democrat politicians…and outside radical Unions and groups like La Raza and ACORN?SEIU and ACL-CIO…ACLU..and PLP..etc… That’s why this poor girl will never get an apology..The teacher is so arogant because she has powerful groups behind her…including Obama and all the secret power behind him…Ayers..Soros…etc…they very same who groomed him…also grooms his new Supreme court choice…The Secret Socialist Kagan. Wake up Folks…A secret Communist Coup has been in process for a while now…They ARE in power…We must open our eyes…Educate each other….Vote all Dems out in NOV and their lying Obama out in 2012…So we can stop the teachers and Anti-America movement from hurting our young any further. |
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The battle over the American flag has reached a middle school art class in California’s Santa Rita School District where a student was told not to draw Old Glory because it was “offensive,” but another student — in the same class – was praised for drawing a picture of President Obama. Nope. It was about the flag! Now, a picture of Hussein is repulsive. I like this fellows response; When I was in school in the 50s and 60s my teachers where all proud Americans…This would NEVER happen. WE said School prayers…We said the Allegiance to the Flag…We wore our Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts and Girls Scouts uniforms to school..We were taught about the great events in American history…we had Washington’s and Lincoln’s birthdays….we all watched the 1st astronauts take off on TV…we watched Davy Crockett and Father Knows Best on TV. WE were home when the lights came on..We showed respect for all older folks. We went to Boy’s confession…and to Church on Sunday…We saluted the Flag. We were amazed when we saw the Military march in parades.We called our Dads “Sir”. We called our Teachers “Sir” and “Mame” or “Miss” if we did something wrong in school we got slapped on the hands…or got the belt at home. We were taught to respect the Flag…America…Women…Family..Country…our teachers never gave us any reason to disrespect them at all. Now…we have Socialist…Atheist…America Flag hating…Radical…Teachers like this one and thousands all across the country teaching anti-America propaganda..indoctrinating innocent minds into lives of Sin…bashing God…bashing the Constitution…Bashing America…propping up other countries and other political systems that are actually enemies of America….all with the support of their radical Unions…Superintendents…and School Committees…and Democrat politicians…and outside radical Unions and groups like La Raza and ACORN?SEIU and ACL-CIO…ACLU..and PLP..etc… That’s why this poor girl will never get an apology..The teacher is so arogant because she has powerful groups behind her…including Obama and all the secret power behind him…Ayers..Soros…etc…they very same who groomed him…also grooms his new Supreme court choice…The Secret Socialist Kagan. Wake up Folks…A secret Communist Coup has been in process for a while now…They ARE in power…We must open our eyes…Educate each other….Vote all Dems out in NOV and their lying Obama out in 2012…So we can stop the teachers and Anti-America movement from hurting our young any further. This response is almost laughable if it weren't so far lunatic fearmongering that it ain't funny. Please don't even entertain it as even close to true because none of it is. |
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Oh yeah ... She can't draw the flag of our country without having 'teacher' jump down her throat, but she can listen to 'teacher' praise another student's drawing of 'The ONE' ... ? Oh no ... http://www.breitbart.tv/teacher-deems-students-american-flag-drawing-offensive/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter And the student STILL hasn't received an apology OR a reason from the 'teacher' about WHAT was 'offensive' ... I mean, besides the 'teacher's behavior ... The president is always something the kids are taught about, that is no big deal. Stating religious stuff in a public school on the other hand should not be allowed even if it is in association with the flag. NO religion belongs in public schools, no matter what. |
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Oh yeah ... She can't draw the flag of our country without having 'teacher' jump down her throat, but she can listen to 'teacher' praise another student's drawing of 'The ONE' ... ? Oh no ... http://www.breitbart.tv/teacher-deems-students-american-flag-drawing-offensive/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter And the student STILL hasn't received an apology OR a reason from the 'teacher' about WHAT was 'offensive' ... I mean, besides the 'teacher's behavior ... The president is always something the kids are taught about, that is no big deal. Stating religious stuff in a public school on the other hand should not be allowed even if it is in association with the flag. NO religion belongs in public schools, no matter what. WHAT 'religious stuff' precisely is drawing out your venom ... ? Can't be the flag, so it must be the phrase that's on all our money ... you know, that 'God Bless America' stuff ... Duhhhhhhh ... sorry, no cigar ... |
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The battle over the American flag has reached a middle school art class in California’s Santa Rita School District where a student was told not to draw Old Glory because it was “offensive,” but another student — in the same class – was praised for drawing a picture of President Obama.
seems this is not a quote but a paraphrase of one mediators perspective if this teacher said 'you cant draw the flag because its offensive' thats one thing if this teacher saw a picture of a flag with a religious reference on it and said 'you cant draw THAT(or THAT flag) because its offensive" thats a totally different story,,the specific picture in question did have the religious reference on it and that specific picture may have been in question not all pictures of american flags |
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Oh yeah ... She can't draw the flag of our country without having 'teacher' jump down her throat, but she can listen to 'teacher' praise another student's drawing of 'The ONE' ... ? Oh no ... http://www.breitbart.tv/teacher-deems-students-american-flag-drawing-offensive/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter And the student STILL hasn't received an apology OR a reason from the 'teacher' about WHAT was 'offensive' ... I mean, besides the 'teacher's behavior ... The president is always something the kids are taught about, that is no big deal. Stating religious stuff in a public school on the other hand should not be allowed even if it is in association with the flag. NO religion belongs in public schools, no matter what. WHAT 'religious stuff' precisely is drawing out your venom ... ? Can't be the flag, so it must be the phrase that's on all our money ... you know, that 'God Bless America' stuff ... Duhhhhhhh ... sorry, no cigar ... NO venom here. No religion belongs in public schools. Even the statement on money. Which will someday be gone from the money as it should never have been put there in the first place. |
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see what I mean,,,, freedom of expression has become an american institution but it stops at freedom of religious expression,,,,
If I go to Iraq and they have allah on their money, Im still gonna spend it without the least offense ,,,,, but if we want to start eradicating even the name of God from anything government,, why do we not also take the faces of all the slaveholding presidents off of the money as well,,,,,I mean , when you think about it I should be much more offended by the image of those who enslaved my ancestors than I should be of a God that I supposedly dont believe in,,, |
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see what I mean,,,, freedom of expression has become an american institution but it stops at freedom of religious expression,,,, If I go to Iraq and they have allah on their money, Im still gonna spend it without the least offense ,,,,, but if we want to start eradicating even the name of God from anything government,, why do we not also take the faces of all the slaveholding presidents off of the money as well,,,,,I mean , when you think about it I should be much more offended by the image of those who enslaved my ancestors than I should be of a God that I supposedly dont believe in,,, Although the comparison is not even a close one, I do understand a history that is not comfortable. In order to respect all religions there cannot be any in the government. The ancestors of this country were so caught up in the fear mongering of the religions that they figured they had better place god in places that would hold it in esteem. Ignorance ran rampant in this country from it's inception so to say they knew something that we do not today would be incorrect. To say that we have not learned that religion in the government is a big mistake would be incorrect. We now in our smarter days know that religion has no place in government. It is a private affair for people. I don't want to look at someone's god on my money and I don't swear to or trust in a god of any kind and I am not alone in that. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 05/10/10 07:22 PM
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the debate becomes then,, where does government end and the individual begin?
'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. ' i believe the founders wanted noone to feel pressured by the state to believe one way or the other but ALSO wanted noone to feel pressured by the state to not believe or express belief we have become a nation so obsessed with not imposing religion that we cross the line into not ALLOWING religious expression other than in private,,, this was not a school mandating any religion, this was a students personal choice in artistic expression,,,,but so many will have such tunnelvision at the mere TOPIC of religion they will defend the right of this teacher to obstruct the students artistic expression... |
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the debate becomes then,, where does government end and the individual begin? we have become a nation so obsessed with not imposing religion that we cross the line into not ALLOWING religious expression other than in private,,, this was not a school mandating any religion, this was a students personal choice in artistic expression,,,,but so many will have such tunnelvision at the mere TOPIC of religion they will defend the right of this teacher to obstruct the students artistic expression... That is not true at all. The religious in this country are spoiled to death. They don't even realize when they step all over everyone else. There are lots of religious schools. There are religious churches everywhere. Religious have revivals in public places and they can sit in the park and pray to whatever god they want to. Religion has no place in a government because you cannot name all gods and goddesses that exist when you bring up gods in order to respect them all. So you take it out completely and all will be respected. If you cannot understand that I am sorry for you but I will not waste anymore time trying to broaden your mind on this subject. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 05/10/10 07:32 PM
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Religion has no place in a government because you cannot name all gods and goddesses that exist when you bring up gods in order to respect them all.
So you take it out completely and all will be respected. this conflicts completely with the constitution(of which I am no fanatic,,but it stands as the law for now) 'or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech' taking it out of peoples lives completely where they have to make special places for it is not FREE exercise and certainly not abiding by the concepts of freedom of speech...its sort of like a religous 'seperate but equal' clause,,,you can have it,,,in SOME places but not HERE,,,, if this teacher had mandated students do a project in admiration of one religion or God, that would be different But this was an ART teacher who basically trampled on a students artistic expression(which is a very individual thing) because it mentioned God as I said before this was an individuals choice, not a government decision which makes the argument about taking religion out of government kind of irrelevant to this specific situation no, noone can name all gods or goddesses, and government entities shouldnt FORCE them too,, but they should also not prohibit individuals from expressing their individual belief system , especially when it comes to ART.... this was a situation with a students expression not with a governments law... |
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Religion has no place in a government because you cannot name all gods and goddesses that exist when you bring up gods in order to respect them all. So you take it out completely and all will be respected. this conflicts completely with the constitution(of which I am no fanatic,,but it stands as the law for now) 'or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech' taking it out of peoples lives completely where they have to make special places for it is not FREE exercise and certainly not abiding by the concepts of freedom of speech...its sort of like a religous 'seperate but equal' clause,,,you can have it,,,in SOME places but not HERE,,,, if this teacher had mandated students do a project in admiration of one religion or God, that would be different But this was an ART teacher who basically trampled on a students artistic expression(which is a very individual thing) because it mentioned God as I said before this was an individuals choice, not a government decision which makes the argument about taking religion out of government kind of irrelevant to this specific situation no, noone can name all gods or goddesses, and government entities shouldnt FORCE them too,, but they should also not prohibit individuals from expressing their individual belief system , especially when it comes to ART.... this was a situation with a students expression not with a governments law... In a public school it is part of the government making it government law. I see you cannot see that to take religion out of a public school in no way impinges on any freedoms. I will say it again and I hope you can comprehend it. Because we cannot name all gods and goddesses in each reference to a god in our public realm, there can be no mention of any god so we are being respectful to all. |
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Religion has no place in a government because you cannot name all gods and goddesses that exist when you bring up gods in order to respect them all. So you take it out completely and all will be respected. this conflicts completely with the constitution(of which I am no fanatic,,but it stands as the law for now) 'or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech' taking it out of peoples lives completely where they have to make special places for it is not FREE exercise and certainly not abiding by the concepts of freedom of speech...its sort of like a religous 'seperate but equal' clause,,,you can have it,,,in SOME places but not HERE,,,, if this teacher had mandated students do a project in admiration of one religion or God, that would be different But this was an ART teacher who basically trampled on a students artistic expression(which is a very individual thing) because it mentioned God as I said before this was an individuals choice, not a government decision which makes the argument about taking religion out of government kind of irrelevant to this specific situation no, noone can name all gods or goddesses, and government entities shouldnt FORCE them too,, but they should also not prohibit individuals from expressing their individual belief system , especially when it comes to ART.... this was a situation with a students expression not with a governments law... In a public school it is part of the government making it government law. I see you cannot see that to take religion out of a public school in no way impinges on any freedoms. I will say it again and I hope you can comprehend it. Because we cannot name all gods and goddesses in each reference to a god in our public realm, there can be no mention of any god so we are being respectful to all. no, u are only being respectful to those who dont wish to hear Gods name,, not to those who wish to speak it. IT doesnt stop being infringement on freedom of speech just because it names a God or Goddess. as to the rest,,,I dont agree with the analogy,,, if a child decides to bring a vegan lunch in a public school does that mean that it is government law endorsing vegan diets?,,,I believe there is a line between what is government and what is individual choice,, even in public schools. |
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If we are going to be respectful we need to put on our money
"IN A - Agdistis or Angdistis Ah Puch Ahura Mazda Alberich Allah Amaterasu An Anansi Anat Andvari Anshar Anu Aphrodite Apollo Apsu Ares Artemis Asclepius Athena Athirat Athtart Atlas Top of Page - B - Baal Ba Xian Bacchus Balder Bast Bellona Bergelmir Bes Bixia Yuanjin Bragi Brahma Brigit Top of Page - C - Camaxtli Ceres Ceridwen Cernunnos Chac Chalchiuhtlicue Charun Chemosh Cheng-huang Cybele Top of Page - D - Dagon Damkina (Dumkina) Davlin Dawn Demeter Diana Di Cang Dionysus Top of Page - E - Ea El Enki Enlil Eos Epona Ereskigal Top of Page - F - Farbauti Fenrir Forseti Freya Freyr Frigg Top of Page - G - Gaia Ganesha Ganga Garuda Gauri Geb Geong Si Top of Page - H - Hades Hanuman Hathor Hecate (Hekate) Helios Heng-o (Chang-o) Hephaestus Hera Hermes Hestia Hod Hoderi Hoori Horus Hotei Huitzilopochtli Hsi-Wang-Mu Hygeia Top of Page - I - Inanna Inti Iris Ishtar Isis Ixtab Izanaki Izanami Top of Page - J - Jesus Juno Jupiter Juturna Top of Page - K - Kagutsuchi Kartikeya Khepri Ki Kingu Kinich Ahau Kishar Krishna Kukulcan Top of Page - L - Lakshmi Liza Loki Lugh Luna Top of Page - M - Magna Mater Maia Marduk Mars Medb Mercury Mimir Minerva Mithras Morrigan Mot Mummu Muses Top of Page - N - Nammu Nanna Nanna (Norse) Nanse Neith Nemesis Nephthys Neptune Nergal Ninazu Ninhurzag Nintu Ninurta Njord Nut Top of Page - O - Odin Ohkuninushi Ohyamatsumi Orgelmir Osiris Ostara Top of Page - P - Pan Parvati Phaethon Phoebe Phoebus Apollo Pilumnus Poseidon Top of Page - Q - Quetzalcoatl Top of Page - R - Rama Re Rhea Top of Page - S - Sabazius Sarasvati Selene Shiva Seshat Seti (Set) Shamash Shapsu Shen Yi Shiva Shu Si-Wang-Mu Sin Sirona Sol Surya Susanoh Top of Page - T - Tawaret Tefnut Tezcatlipoca Thanatos Thor Thoth Tiamat Tlaloc Tonatiuh Toyo-Uke-Bime Tyche Tyr Top of Page - U - Utu Uzume Top of Page - V - Venus Vesta Vishnu Volturnus Vulcan Top of Page - X - Xipe Xi Wang-mu Xochipilli Xochiquetzal WE TRUST" And this list is not complete to all gods and goddesses that are worshiped in this country. |
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Religion has no place in a government because you cannot name all gods and goddesses that exist when you bring up gods in order to respect them all. So you take it out completely and all will be respected. this conflicts completely with the constitution(of which I am no fanatic,,but it stands as the law for now) 'or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech' taking it out of peoples lives completely where they have to make special places for it is not FREE exercise and certainly not abiding by the concepts of freedom of speech...its sort of like a religous 'seperate but equal' clause,,,you can have it,,,in SOME places but not HERE,,,, if this teacher had mandated students do a project in admiration of one religion or God, that would be different But this was an ART teacher who basically trampled on a students artistic expression(which is a very individual thing) because it mentioned God as I said before this was an individuals choice, not a government decision which makes the argument about taking religion out of government kind of irrelevant to this specific situation no, noone can name all gods or goddesses, and government entities shouldnt FORCE them too,, but they should also not prohibit individuals from expressing their individual belief system , especially when it comes to ART.... this was a situation with a students expression not with a governments law... In a public school it is part of the government making it government law. I see you cannot see that to take religion out of a public school in no way impinges on any freedoms. I will say it again and I hope you can comprehend it. Because we cannot name all gods and goddesses in each reference to a god in our public realm, there can be no mention of any god so we are being respectful to all. no, u are only being respectful to those who dont wish to hear Gods name,, not to those who wish to speak it. IT doesnt stop being infringement on freedom of speech just because it names a God or Goddess. as to the rest,,,I dont agree with the analogy,,, if a child decides to bring a vegan lunch in a public school does that mean that it is government law endorsing vegan diets?,,,I believe there is a line between what is government and what is individual choice,, even in public schools. Of course you cannot see, you are blinded by your bias. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 05/10/10 07:58 PM
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If we are going to be respectful we need to put on our money "IN A - Agdistis or Angdistis Ah Puch Ahura Mazda Alberich Allah Amaterasu An Anansi Anat Andvari Anshar Anu Aphrodite Apollo Apsu Ares Artemis Asclepius Athena Athirat Athtart Atlas Top of Page - B - Baal Ba Xian Bacchus Balder Bast Bellona Bergelmir Bes Bixia Yuanjin Bragi Brahma Brigit Top of Page - C - Camaxtli Ceres Ceridwen Cernunnos Chac Chalchiuhtlicue Charun Chemosh Cheng-huang Cybele Top of Page - D - Dagon Damkina (Dumkina) Davlin Dawn Demeter Diana Di Cang Dionysus Top of Page - E - Ea El Enki Enlil Eos Epona Ereskigal Top of Page - F - Farbauti Fenrir Forseti Freya Freyr Frigg Top of Page - G - Gaia Ganesha Ganga Garuda Gauri Geb Geong Si Top of Page - H - Hades Hanuman Hathor Hecate (Hekate) Helios Heng-o (Chang-o) Hephaestus Hera Hermes Hestia Hod Hoderi Hoori Horus Hotei Huitzilopochtli Hsi-Wang-Mu Hygeia Top of Page - I - Inanna Inti Iris Ishtar Isis Ixtab Izanaki Izanami Top of Page - J - Jesus Juno Jupiter Juturna Top of Page - K - Kagutsuchi Kartikeya Khepri Ki Kingu Kinich Ahau Kishar Krishna Kukulcan Top of Page - L - Lakshmi Liza Loki Lugh Luna Top of Page - M - Magna Mater Maia Marduk Mars Medb Mercury Mimir Minerva Mithras Morrigan Mot Mummu Muses Top of Page - N - Nammu Nanna Nanna (Norse) Nanse Neith Nemesis Nephthys Neptune Nergal Ninazu Ninhurzag Nintu Ninurta Njord Nut Top of Page - O - Odin Ohkuninushi Ohyamatsumi Orgelmir Osiris Ostara Top of Page - P - Pan Parvati Phaethon Phoebe Phoebus Apollo Pilumnus Poseidon Top of Page - Q - Quetzalcoatl Top of Page - R - Rama Re Rhea Top of Page - S - Sabazius Sarasvati Selene Shiva Seshat Seti (Set) Shamash Shapsu Shen Yi Shiva Shu Si-Wang-Mu Sin Sirona Sol Surya Susanoh Top of Page - T - Tawaret Tefnut Tezcatlipoca Thanatos Thor Thoth Tiamat Tlaloc Tonatiuh Toyo-Uke-Bime Tyche Tyr Top of Page - U - Utu Uzume Top of Page - V - Venus Vesta Vishnu Volturnus Vulcan Top of Page - X - Xipe Xi Wang-mu Xochipilli Xochiquetzal WE TRUST" And this list is not complete to all gods and goddesses that are worshiped in this country. but our money doesnt say in Yawheh we trust or in Jesus we trust.... your list names 'Gods' so that 'in God we trust' would apply to all |
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