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Topic: What or who do you beleive?
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Sat 05/08/10 03:45 PM
I believe the world revolves around me.:smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

cottonelle's photo
Sat 05/08/10 03:56 PM

God, to me, is an example of how fear is used to control. It's amazing because centuries later people are still ready to die for a myth.

and give all there money to it

realdutchess's photo
Sat 05/08/10 03:57 PM
i believe food as medicine

cottonelle's photo
Sat 05/08/10 03:59 PM
i believe jack daniels should be part of the food group

lilangel2's photo
Sat 05/08/10 04:21 PM

i believe jack daniels should be part of the food group


It is...GRAINSdrinker

carold's photo
Sat 05/08/10 06:32 PM

I believe the Earth is not round, but roundish.

I believe we are not alone, just lonely

I believe you may be subject to HELL for telling me I will be

I believe a dog is more than a man's best friend, he is a woman's bestest friend

I believe children are just untrained adults,beautifully untethered...like wild horses...

I believe you should believe what you truly want to believe and not believe in what I believe because I may have been brainwashed into beliving that it is believable :angel:

I like this :smile: flowerforyou

carold's photo
Sat 05/08/10 06:38 PM


God, to me, is an example of how fear is used to control. It's amazing because centuries later people are still ready to die for a myth.

and give all there money to it
no myth I think it is simpler than people make it out to be. And there is always going to be a negative to a possitive thing.
Let go let god. There is so much beauty out there,see it too. that shows there is a God, there is a spirit to it. For me anywayflowerforyou

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Sat 05/08/10 07:42 PM
I believe in the great big G and the smaller big G. Gaea is beautiful and I think we should keep her that way. I just love writing poems about Gaea.:heart:

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Sat 05/08/10 08:05 PM
I believe that every creature and every thing is connected/interdependent in ways we do not understand. Perhaps in the way the cells of our bodies are connected/interdependent...or the atoms that make up everything we believe to be real. I think it possible that we and everything may actually be the tiny cells/atoms that make up the 'Supreme Being' that is called God. Sadly, we don't comprehend the interconnection with all that is around us...much as our liver cells do not comprehend the need for the cells of our hearts.

lilangel2's photo
Sat 05/08/10 08:47 PM

I believe that every creature and every thing is connected/interdependent in ways we do not understand. Perhaps in the way the cells of our bodies are connected/interdependent...or the atoms that make up everything we believe to be real. I think it possible that we and everything may actually be the tiny cells/atoms that make up the 'Supreme Being' that is called God. Sadly, we don't comprehend the interconnection with all that is around us...much as our liver cells do not comprehend the need for the cells of our hearts.


Interesting drinker

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Sat 05/08/10 09:02 PM
What great replies! really do love to read and learn from others threads. My thoughts... is there enough people awake enough to save this planet? With all it's beauty and then it's darkeness, wonder if enough care from pureness to actually make the changes.
Do beleive in the power of prayer, have seen it work in lifes energy, stemming from the Big G to save things..

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Sat 05/08/10 09:11 PM



God, to me, is an example of how fear is used to control. It's amazing because centuries later people are still ready to die for a myth.
[/quoteand give all there money to it
no myth I think it is simpler than people make it out to be. And there is always going to be a negative to a possitive thing.
Let go let god. There is so much beauty out there,see it too. that shows there is a God, there is a spirit to it. For me anywayflowerforyou


waving :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

freeonthree's photo
Sat 05/08/10 09:18 PM
I only believe in the trike gods :banana:

carold's photo
Sun 05/09/10 06:21 AM
laugh :banana: well that is a start :banana:

LouLou2's photo
Sun 05/09/10 06:58 AM

What great replies! really do love to read and learn from others threads.


oops I enjoy both the threads you start and your posts...TYflowerforyou

carold's photo
Sun 05/09/10 11:23 AM


What great replies! really do love to read and learn from others threads.


oops I enjoy both the threads you start and your posts...TYflowerforyou
Lou Lou come visit us in the over 50's threads some timesflowerforyou

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Sun 05/09/10 11:40 AM
I believe their is MORE to life, than a twenty minute ride in a hearst...................................................
I BELIEVE IN GOD!

And for all the ones who feel a mighty force of being,
THERE IS A REASON WHY YOU FEEL THAT WAY!!!

OUR SOULS OF MISSING ENTITY, SHALL LIVE TO INFINITY, eternally.

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Sun 05/09/10 12:58 PM



What great replies! really do love to read and learn from others threads.


oops I enjoy both the threads you start and your posts...TYflowerforyou
Lou Lou come visit us in the over 50's threads some timesflowerforyou


Why TY, Carold...I will do thatflowerforyou

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Sun 05/09/10 01:24 PM
That we are 'over-read' and 'under-done'

That it is important to find a Spiritual Tool.........








then dig a fifty foot well with it.

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Mon 05/10/10 07:37 AM
What or who do you believe?

I believe in possibilities.

I believe that anything is possible that has not been ruled out by either observation or logic. I also believe that many people misrepresent (and ultimately misunderstand) many things, and this includes religious people as well as scientifically-minded people.

Let me ask a question: Can Spirit Exist?

Well, as my good friend Jeanniebean would always ask in return, “Please define what you mean by Spirit”.

Jeanniebean is a very intelligent woman because she fully understands and realizes that it’s utterly futile to even begin to discuss something until you’ve made it clear precisely what is it you are attempting to discuss. Only then can any genuine communication and knowledge be achieved.

So when we ask, “Can Spirit Exist?”, we must necessarily go into some depth of precisely what we mean by “spirit”

In the great world religions there are basically two major concepts of “spirit”. (I’m simplifying here so as not to require writing a book).

The two concepts of spirits are as follows:

1. The western view of an individual “soul”.

In other words, the western (or Middle Eastern) religions think that everyone has a ‘personal soul’ which will be perpetuated after death. This is an extremely egotistical view of spirit. It assumes that the ‘ego’ will be preserved as a spirit. It requires that spirit itself has ego and individuality and that there are many individual spirits.

2. The Eastern view is of a "pantheistic" spirit

The Eastern Mystics view spirit as being ONE. It only has individuality when it becomes manifest in the physical world. This is the very meaning of pantheism (pan = One, theism = Spirit, One Spirit). All is one. There is no need to perpetuate individual egos for all eternity because individuality and ego are transient stages of spirit. Spirit is our true essence. Ego is an experience what we, as spirit, are having.

So now we have two entirely different, and almost opposing views, of “spirit”.

Next we have science (or simply observational evidence). What does science say about “spirit”? Well, I just watched a lecture on biology last night, and the scientist who gave that presentation was quite passionate about explaining how and why science denies the existence of spirit. However, I would like to point out that he was referring to the western view of spirit. I think he probably has some good points in that context. The perpetuation of egos as spirit is problematic even in a purely philosophical sense.

Having said that, his major point was that our biological bodies exist because of their physical form. In other words, he is claiming that it is our physical form that gives rise to our existence. He claims that we are nothing but this physical form. Take away this physical form and there is no more information. Thus we are nothing more than physical information. Period. Thus there is no such thing as “spirit” and he claims that science has shown us that this must be the case. He is clearly a very strong atheist (or non-spiritualist).

However, I completely disagree with him that science denies “spirit”. But then again, I think of spirit in the Eastern Mystical sense, and not in the western egotistical sense. So this may make a difference. But allow me to explain why science does not confirm, or even imply that spirit cannot exist beyond our physical form.

I’ll make this very short.

The argument given (for why spirit cannot exist) is based on the idea that we are nothing more than the result of our physical form. We are the “property” of the physical form of our bodies. Therefore when our bodies die, our form ceases to exist and so do we, since that’s all we ever were to begin with.

Well, if a person takes that point of view, then clearly science would support that. But that view assumes that spirit refers to our ego (i.e. are individual physical form).

However, a large part of that argument also relies on the idea that no information can exist without physical form. In fact, the argument that is given is that information is nothing more than form. Take away the form and you no longer have information.

Well, the problem with that argument is that science does not support the idea that information can only exist in the physical world of space-time-energy. On the contrary, scientific observations and theories demand that information must necessarily exist in the ‘vacuum’ of empty space (or in the quantum field) as it is often referred to by physicists.

Both Quantum Mechanics and Cosmology require, and demand, that information exists prior to physical form as we know it. Thus any argument that information cannot exist without physical form is simply not based on scientific knowledge and observation.

It is my belief that our true essence may very well be “spiritual” (and in this context I may as well just say "non-physical"). In other words, our true essence may actually be based on a non-physical information field that does not require space-time-energy as we perceive it in a physical sense. If this is true, then science has not shown that spirit cannot exist, but instead science is actually demanding that it MUST exist. (i.e. information must exist both in the vacuum of “empty space” and prior to the Big Bang, or non-physical states). So in that sense scientific observation and knowledge actually demands the existence of “spirit” if we define it in this way.

So anyway, that’s just my thoughts. As I stated at the outset, I believe in possibilities. And science most certainly leaves open the possibility of "spirit" in this sense. So anyone who claims that science supports a non-spiritual view of life, either does not understand what science actually says, or they have a different idea of “spirit” than I do.

drinker



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