Topic: Has anyone pondered.....
Seakolony's photo
Sat 05/08/10 05:37 PM
Edited by Seakolony on Sat 05/08/10 05:38 PM
possibly, you never know....anything is possible.

markumX's photo
Sat 05/08/10 05:39 PM
sigh again you two love birds can only bring childish banter and name calling. directed to LP...if you can drum up evidence that i support terrorism be my guest to take it to homeland security. i'll even give you the address to the mosque i attend. until you gather this evidence i suggest you not break TOS and slander me with your mindless accusations

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Sat 05/08/10 05:41 PM
Edited by Seakolony on Sat 05/08/10 05:45 PM

sigh again you two love birds can only bring childish banter and name calling. directed to LP...if you can drum up evidence that i support terrorism be my guest to take it to homeland security. i'll even give you the address to the mosque i attend. until you gather this evidence i suggest you not break TOS and slander me with your mindless accusations

You were not accused of anything all I said was anything was a possibility. Which not an accusation and your opinion was welcomed, was it not? Please go back and read all the text since your last departure before claiming accusation towards yourself, thank you.

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Sat 05/08/10 05:49 PM


sigh again you two love birds can only bring childish banter and name calling. directed to LP...if you can drum up evidence that i support terrorism be my guest to take it to homeland security. i'll even give you the address to the mosque i attend. until you gather this evidence i suggest you not break TOS and slander me with your mindless accusations

You were not accused of anything all I said was anything was a possibility. Which not an accusation and your opinion was welcomed, was it not? Please go back and read all the text since your last departure before claiming accusation towards yourself, thank you.

i directed that to lp and willing over their snide remark that i support terrorists..my bad

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Sat 05/08/10 05:57 PM



sigh again you two love birds can only bring childish banter and name calling. directed to LP...if you can drum up evidence that i support terrorism be my guest to take it to homeland security. i'll even give you the address to the mosque i attend. until you gather this evidence i suggest you not break TOS and slander me with your mindless accusations

You were not accused of anything all I said was anything was a possibility. Which not an accusation and your opinion was welcomed, was it not? Please go back and read all the text since your last departure before claiming accusation towards yourself, thank you.

i directed that to lp and willing over their snide remark that i support terrorists..my bad


You do, remember I believe your exact words were "Freedom Fighters"

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Sat 05/08/10 06:31 PM
Edited by willing2 on Sat 05/08/10 06:35 PM



sigh again you two love birds can only bring childish banter and name calling. directed to LP...if you can drum up evidence that i support terrorism be my guest to take it to homeland security. i'll even give you the address to the mosque i attend. until you gather this evidence i suggest you not break TOS and slander me with your mindless accusations

You were not accused of anything all I said was anything was a possibility. Which not an accusation and your opinion was welcomed, was it not? Please go back and read all the text since your last departure before claiming accusation towards yourself, thank you.

i directed that to lp and willing over their snide remark that i support terrorists..my bad

It was an observation. No slander or accusation.
I'm learning how to do the Hussein shuck and jive-speak.
You just think you read something that wasn't there.

I do have an idea. Let's threaten the terrorists that if they don't stop their crap, we'll make a wasteland of Mecca and the mosque there.

Seakolony's photo
Sat 05/08/10 06:42 PM
I personally hope to see peace and compromise between all eventually.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 05/08/10 06:48 PM




sigh again you two love birds can only bring childish banter and name calling. directed to LP...if you can drum up evidence that i support terrorism be my guest to take it to homeland security. i'll even give you the address to the mosque i attend. until you gather this evidence i suggest you not break TOS and slander me with your mindless accusations

You were not accused of anything all I said was anything was a possibility. Which not an accusation and your opinion was welcomed, was it not? Please go back and read all the text since your last departure before claiming accusation towards yourself, thank you.

i directed that to lp and willing over their snide remark that i support terrorists..my bad

It was an observation. No slander or accusation.
I'm learning how to do the Hussein shuck and jive-speak.
You just think you read something that wasn't there.

I do have an idea. Let's threaten the terrorists that if they don't stop their crap, we'll make a wasteland of Mecca and the mosque there.


A 220 Killoton Nuclear Tomahawk missle will do nicely.

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Sat 05/08/10 08:41 PM





Exactly why, the Palestinian nations we are investigating and fighting are throwing bombs and bullets and financially funding it? When all they really have to do is take all the money financing the war and put there behind candacies and infiltrate the government in a peaceful manner? You only have to be born in the United States to be President (supposedly), LMAO!!

What ya' wanna' bet by the time the next presidential election comes around,Arnie Schwarzengger is able to dig up his US Birth cirtificate?tongue2


Apparently all's he will need is a certificate of live birth(which he can get BTW).



under WHAT situation, could a german born to TWO german citizens ever receive a US certificate of birth?


ANYONE can get a certificate of live birth. It is the exact same document that Barry used.



lol, you didnt answer the question,,,,under WHAT circumstance will a GOVERNMENT office issue someone a GOVERNMENT CERTIFIED certificate of live birth stating place of birth as the US ,, if their parents are both GERMAN CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS?

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Sat 05/08/10 08:42 PM

Excellent point. To follow up: Schwartzenegger had for years been urged to run for President, and had always said no, because he wasn't a native-born American citizen as required by the Constitution. When asked the same question after the victory of 'The ONE', he changed his tune to the point where he said 'Well, he did it, why can't I?' ... PRECEDENT is now established - however wrongly.



no precedent is set by someones individual belief,, precedent is set by LAW, and by law,, one must be proven a citizen and by law one can only obtain proof of citizenahip (via certificate of birth) if they are A. Born in the USA,, or B. Born of at least ONE US CITIZEN

it was law BEFORE OBAMA and still law after,,,

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Sat 05/08/10 08:47 PM
Apparently, with all the known criminals holding office at the Federal level, the law doesn't apply to them.

no photo
Sat 05/08/10 08:48 PM
Edited by Kings_Knight on Sat 05/08/10 08:48 PM

" ... no precedent is set by someones individual belief,, precedent is set by LAW, and by law,, one must be proven a citizen and by law one can only obtain proof of citizenahip (via certificate of birth) if they are A. Born in the USA,, or B. Born of at least ONE US CITIZEN

it was law BEFORE OBAMA and still law after,,, "


Right. Unh-huh. So riddle me THIS ... IF he's a U.S. 'citizen', HOW COME he has volitionally CHOSEN to NOT produce the LONG FORM (vault copy) of his BIRTH CERTIFICATE (NOT the 'certificate of live birth' - y' get those with each box of Cracker Jack) like McCain had to? IF he could put all of the questions to rest with ONLY that one act, WHY DOESN'T HE? He CAN'T. And he knows it. So do we. Now he's set a PRECEDENT for others who are NOT U.S. citizens to become the 'leader' of the greatest nation on earth. Be proud ... he's one hell of an 'example' ...

msharmony's photo
Sat 05/08/10 08:49 PM
well, we could eliminate any politician ever convicted of a crime,, but then that would turn into anyone charged(accused) and people would go making accusations just to keep politicians of their choice above others,,,,


so,, unless Jesus comes back and accepts political office,, we are gonna have to keep settling for fellow humans,,,,fallable as they are

Dragoness's photo
Sat 05/08/10 09:00 PM

Excellent point. To follow up: Schwartzenegger had for years been urged to run for President, and had always said no, because he wasn't a native-born American citizen as required by the Constitution. When asked the same question after the victory of 'The ONE', he changed his tune to the point where he said 'Well, he did it, why can't I?' ... PRECEDENT is now established - however wrongly.


Arnold cannot be president because he is a naturalized citizen. He has gone as far up the ladder as he can.

Obama was born here and anyone with any kind of smarts knows it.

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Sat 05/08/10 09:45 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 05/08/10 09:47 PM


" ... no precedent is set by someones individual belief,, precedent is set by LAW, and by law,, one must be proven a citizen and by law one can only obtain proof of citizenahip (via certificate of birth) if they are A. Born in the USA,, or B. Born of at least ONE US CITIZEN

it was law BEFORE OBAMA and still law after,,, "


Right. Unh-huh. So riddle me THIS ... IF he's a U.S. 'citizen', HOW COME he has volitionally CHOSEN to NOT produce the LONG FORM (vault copy) of his BIRTH CERTIFICATE (NOT the 'certificate of live birth' - y' get those with each box of Cracker Jack) like McCain had to? IF he could put all of the questions to rest with ONLY that one act, WHY DOESN'T HE? He CAN'T. And he knows it. So do we. Now he's set a PRECEDENT for others who are NOT U.S. citizens to become the 'leader' of the greatest nation on earth. Be proud ... he's one hell of an 'example' ...



because he DOESNT HAVE TO,, he has provided LEGAL proof of citizenship,, he doesnt have to keep passing the litmus tests of private citizens when he has already passed the test of LAW

it would be the equivalent of me allowing people to pressure me to produce my TEST scores on my drivers test in addition to my license,,,,,he submitted what is required,,end of story

no photo
Sat 05/08/10 10:36 PM

" ... because he DOESNT HAVE TO,, he has provided LEGAL proof of citizenship,, he doesnt have to keep passing the litmus tests of private citizens when he has already passed the test of LAW ... "


YES, he DOES, and NO, he HASN'T ... perhaps you can enlighten the rest of us poor deluded souls who remain unconvinced as to exactly HOW he's passed " ... the test of LAW ... " ... you WILL provide links to source material, won't you ... ?

msharmony's photo
Sat 05/08/10 11:06 PM
In most cases, documents serving as “primary” proof or evidence of citizenship are required. Documents serving as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship are:


Previously issued, undamaged US passport

Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state of birth

Consular Report of Birth (of U.S. citizen) Abroad or Certification of Birth

Naturalization Certificate

Certificate of Citizenship


from http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/proofofcitzenship.htm

msharmony's photo
Sat 05/08/10 11:10 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 05/08/10 11:13 PM
http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/A4eng.pdf

What documents are usually accepted as proof of U.S.
citizenship?
The most common documents that establish U.S. citizenship are:
• Birth Certificate, issued by a U.S. State (if the person was
born in the United States), or by the U.S. Department of State
(if the person was born abroad to U.S. citizen parents who
registered the child’s birth and U.S. citizenship with the U.S.
Embassy or consulate);
• U.S. Passport, issued by the U.S. Department of State;
• Certificate of Citizenship, issued to a person born outside
the United States who derived or acquired U.S. citizenship
through a U.S. citizen parent; or
• Naturalization Certificate, issued to a person who became
a U.S. citizen after 18 years of age through the naturalization
process.
I was born in the United States. Where can I get a copy of
my birth certificate?
Check with the Department of Health (Vital Records) in the U.S.
State in which you were born. For more information, visit the
National Center for Health Statistics web page at www.cdc.gov/
nchs/births.htm.


feel free to verify through the Hawaiian dpt of health which document they send out when a request for birth certificate is made for the time period of OBamas death,, I am sure you will find it is the exact document he presented

I am from ohio, and when I go online to request a birth certificate for myself I also get a document which says certification of birth

no photo
Sat 05/08/10 11:16 PM

" ... feel free to verify through the Hawaiian dpt of health which document they send out when a request for birth certificate is made for the time period of OBamas death,, I am sure you will find it is the exact document he presented ... "


Actually, the 'document' he 'presented' was 'presented' ONLINE as a medium-quality .jpg IMAGE - never as an actual PHYSICAL document ... it was also the 'certificate of live birth', NOT the birth CERTIFICATE, and certainly not the 'long form' (vault) copy AS PRESENTED PHYSICALLY BY McCain ... say 'double standard' ... say 'poseur' ... the case is NOT closed because the PROOF has not been presented for PUBLIC scrutiny ... This will NOT go away just because he WANTS it to go away ... HE was the candidate - it is HIS task to PROVE his eligibility - he has NOT done so ...

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Sat 05/08/10 11:23 PM
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=150125

More than a year and half after Barack Obama was elected commander in chief, the governor of Hawaii is now publicly voicing the alleged exact location of Obama's birth, saying "the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii."


so with that,, a legally acceptable document to prove citizenship PLUS the statement of an elected OFFICIAL,, (plus statements from the heads of the dept of health themselves,, posted in other threads)


the question has been BEYOND answered,,and those who still persist would most likely never be satisfied with anything else that was presented either