Where did I say they shouldn't go through due process????

Please point it out to me because I didn't say that at all...Nobody
should be convicted or put to death unless they are given due
process...They are innocent until ptoven guilty!!!!!

I guess thats enough ..lol

I was merly explaining to someone who asked why it took so long for
somone to be executed...I was hardly saying that an accused person does
not deserve due process....Please don't put words in my mouth...I am all
about JUSTICE!!!!!!!!

you are right I mistook you for someone elses view sorry

I am wrong at times, and when I am I like to think that I am the kind of
person to admit it. once again I apoligize
Greg

That's ok...We all make mistakes...Not to worry!!!!!

The way we run our penal system really needs to be totally revamped.

I believe to warrant the death penalty, there must be an absolute
certainty in the facts. There are many serial killers, as Lily
mentioned who are guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. These are sick
people who are not going to get better. They will never be able to
adapt in public situations. For these I have no qualms about their
demise.

What we must always keep in mind is that not all cases of guilt of
capitol offenses are as clear cut. In truth, as someone already posted,
there are many, who have been found innocent based on ever enhanced
scientific methods.

As for a last meal, I actually think that every day to the person
awaiting execution should be no different than any other day. "The
faces of death", need I remind you, of the faces of those who were
murdered at the hands of the guilty. And what reward was offered to the
victim before life was snuffed out? Not so much as an aspirin, would be
my guess. I think the reward of the person being executed is the
humanity we show in the execution itself. It's more than what was
offered to the victims. NO LAST MEALS, just the same old thing served
to every prisoner.

I agree Sea and Native....My feelings are very personal on that one. I
know that whoever shot my husband will face God someday..but, I would
sure like to help them get there alot faster!! There are so many
innocent victims and it's so not fair to them nor their families when
they have to endure the grieve, but also years of waiting to see how the
courts will handle it, IF they even catch the ones that did it.
Sometimes the law turns their heads and do nothing which is another sad
problem.

i agree knight, im so sorry to hear of yur loss, harmless children are
viciously murdered ,they have the evidence these monsters committed
these horendous crimes, yet we allow these people the due process . i
think not. thats just my opinion.

Yes, that's true. I'm sorry but it makes me sick sometimes knowing
criminals who kill innocent children, rape and kill women, kill people
who are doing their jobs and the criminal is fixing to be caught....they
have the law behind them, and they walk when they find a loophole. I
just can't see the justice in it.

Money should not be able to buy freedom for a murderer either. OJ is
guilty as sin itself and he is out on the golf course laughing at our
penal system. He should be off this planet right now. People with money
can hire all these crooked attourneys who know all the loop holes and
ways of casting a shadow of doubt onto the jury.That is dead wrong.

ubetchya!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dont get me started, some of these mofos, i would
do with my bare hands, so im gonna let this thread fade. cheers!

Definately agrees with you Lakeman.... Sorry if I upset
anyone.

never upset me ,im just take a life, pay with yur life.!!

Is with you on that one..

Gosh, I didn't think I created a monster here, but oh well.

Some upated information:

" The reason most state use Lethal Injection is that they consider the
gas chamber and the electric chair ( Alabama is the only state that
still use the electric char) cruel and unsual punnishment" Would anyone
agree to this or disagree?
Florida goofed up on two "electic chair executions and those got posted
on the web and word go out, so most states stop using it.

Here is another thought: If someone in your family was killed by a
murder, and the state asked you carry out the injection ( inject the
chemicals into that person) would you do it? I would in a second.

Keep those replies coming.

PTVK,

Have you really taken much time to think about this statement you
made:

"I also believe that if you are pro life that a pro death penalty is
hypocritical. The same arguements apply."

Are you saying that every individual person who supports both pro-life
laws and pro-death penalty laws is 'automatically' a hypocrite? That
it is impossible to have a self-consistent worldview which supports both
positions?

If so, I think this is terribly pre-judgmental of you.

There is NOTHING HYPOCRITICAL about wanting to protect the innocent,
while also wanting to punish the guilty.

I am not pro-life, and I am not pro-death-penalty. But your
over-simplification of others' worldviews, and your presumptuous
categorization of such as 'hypocritical' has struck a nerve with me.

>> I beg to differ the hypocricy is not in the criminal or
the unborn it is in the person who judges who should live and who should
die and why.

Of course. And of course I understood that to be what you were saying
the first time.

>> The arguement for pro life isnt about innocence or guilt
its about no person or persons having the right to decide who lives and
who dies.

*The* argument? You think there is ONE pro-life mentality? I grant you
that many pro-lifers (indeed, many people in general) are steeped in a
sort of 'monoculture of ideas'; many people will parrot the beliefs
handed down to their group from 'those in authority' - but NOT ALL
pro-lifers (nor pro-choicers, nor whatever) are like that.

This is at the very heart of my criticism of your statements. I think
it is wrong of you to presume that all people who are 'pro-life' have a
single way of looking at things, a single chain of reasoning by which
they reached their conclusion.

You basically said that all individual people who are both pro-life
and pro-'death penalty' are hypocrites. Before you call any individual
a hypocrite, IMO, you should investigate their beliefs and thought
processes -as an individual-, not make assumptions about them because of
their membership in a group.

>> If you believe in life, then believe all the way. Picking and choosing is playing God.

"Believe in life"??? What does that -mean-? Its a three word phrase.
Please don't confuse slogans with an actual ideological position - it
tends to lead to an oversimplification of other people's worldviews,
which in turn leads to unfairly pre-judgmental statements.

thank you Massagetrade...



i was about to be bl8ant

that was so beautifully written

massagetrade, I admire your eloquence. if this weren't a thread and I
didn't have to type. I may not have oversimplified. Tho your reasoning
is somewhat sound and logical I beg you to offer your actual opinion,
that it may also come under the same type of word for word scrutiny.
What I said was not written on stone tablets, it would be easy enough to
change wording to make it more or less accomodating to scrutinize. If I
had said that if you believe that no one has the right to kill an unborn
child, then in the next breath say that its ok to kill an adult, that is
what I take issue with. I could say it 5 more different ways if I had
to, just to get you to stop nibbling around the edges. If you want to
take my arguement on then Come at it straight on. Anyone can sit in the
bushes and lob grenades. So I invite you to stick your neck out,..lol
and give your firm philisophical evaluation on the topic! Because we are
not talking about innocence and guilt, nor punishment. We are talking
about life and death and the ethics of who thinks that they should get
to decide and why. Cast your best stone oh sinless bird, in a glass
house.....lol