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Tue 04/13/10 11:06 AM
Getting involved and getting others to join you is the key to change. If you do not like the current regime, work hard to change it. Join your local REC (Republican Executive Committee) or DEC (Democratic Executive Committee) and help in the GOTV (Get out the Vote) efforts in your community. Building from local up is the way to go. Representation by the people for the people. Vertical Politics!

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Tue 04/13/10 11:07 AM


lol, at a milder recession,, he inherited a 128 billion dollar SURPLUS....a momentum that could have continued to slightly increase average income




Actually, the myth of the Clinton "surplus" has been disputed and disproven by a number of people, including economists Gary North and Thomas Woods, and Army Major S. Leon Felkins.


Actually that isn't a myth. But it only happened because the House was GOP-controlled. Clinton only dropped the ball when it came to bin Laden.

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Tue 04/13/10 11:09 AM
ITS TIME TO STOP BLAMEING G W BUSH FOR EVERY THING . OBAMA HAS HAD TIME ENOUGH TO TAKE THE BLAME NOW . AND THE THANKS,

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Tue 04/13/10 11:46 AM

Getting involved and getting others to join you is the key to change. If you do not like the current regime, work hard to change it. Join your local REC (Republican Executive Committee) or DEC (Democratic Executive Committee) and help in the GOTV (Get out the Vote) efforts in your community. Building from local up is the way to go. Representation by the people for the people. Vertical Politics!


well said

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Tue 04/13/10 11:49 AM

ITS TIME TO STOP BLAMEING G W BUSH FOR EVERY THING . OBAMA HAS HAD TIME ENOUGH TO TAKE THE BLAME NOW . AND THE THANKS,


No need to scream to be read.

Actually, no ... you're wrong. When the policies that Bush set in motion before leaving office expire, then Obama can take the blame for what HE'S done. If throughout his entire term, Obama cannot fix the damage W and Cheney did, then he can take the blame for it. If by the end of his term in office, Obama has not made America a better place, THEN he can accept the blame for it. When HIS policies fail, he can accept the blame. However, he has not been in office long enough for anyone to determine if his policies have failed ... just so, they have barely had time to be enacted as of yet, if at all.

So what you should do is consider what he's done (and what he HASN'T done) before you demand he take the fall for actions as yet incomplete.

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Tue 04/13/10 01:41 PM
Edited by Kings_Knight on Tue 04/13/10 01:42 PM


ITS TIME TO STOP BLAMEING G W BUSH FOR EVERY THING . OBAMA HAS HAD TIME ENOUGH TO TAKE THE BLAME NOW . AND THE THANKS,


No need to scream to be read.

Actually, no ... you're wrong. When the policies that Bush set in motion before leaving office expire, then Obama can take the blame for what HE'S done. If throughout his entire term, Obama cannot fix the damage W and Cheney did, then he can take the blame for it. If by the end of his term in office, Obama has not made America a better place, THEN he can accept the blame for it. When HIS policies fail, he can accept the blame. However, he has not been in office long enough for anyone to determine if his policies have failed ... just so, they have barely had time to be enacted as of yet, if at all.

So what you should do is consider what he's done (and what he HASN'T done) before you demand he take the fall for actions as yet incomplete.


Oh come on ... HOW LONG are y'all gonna keep sloughing off the fact that 'Dear Comrade Leader' immaculated himself to the office of the presidency on 20 Jan 2009 and his reign began THEN? I din't see any of you cutting BUSH the same slack when he succeeded Clinton. HIS 'ownership' was IMMEDIATE. Sorry, but 'The ONE' also has immediate ownership. Bush also had the decency to not continually whine like a little tittybaby about 'Waaa-waaa-waaa ... Look what I inherited ... !" Even as a non-Bush supporter, I have to give him credit for having more class in his little finger than His Lord and Master, Obama the Most High (PBUH) will EVER have. He's a pretender in little boy short pants sitting in the big boy chair pretending he's 'president'. He also has an active hatred for the country he supposedly 'represents' and is doing his damnedest to destroy our way of life AND the middle class to reduce us to a nation of 'Lords' and 'Serfs'. Enjoy your ride to the poorhouse - and thank 'Obama the Most Merciful' (PBUH) when you check in ...

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Tue 04/13/10 04:10 PM
Oh, get off it. Bush did nothing BUT whine and cast blame on everyone else during his entire presidency, if he was not forcing his underlings to take the fall and resign for him, that is.

You're displaying an extreme kind of bitterness I've only heard from extremist militant racists so far. Whether you like it or not, he's not "pretending" anything. He was elected and IS president.

Cripes, dude. You sound like Glenn Beck, ranting like an idiot with unfounded accusations and twisting everything said and done to fit your own agenda or that of the propagandists that riddle Fox News and CNN these days. We'll have a new president in '12 or '16. Relax.

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Tue 04/13/10 04:45 PM

Oh, get off it. Bush did nothing BUT whine and cast blame on everyone else during his entire presidency, if he was not forcing his underlings to take the fall and resign for him, that is.

You're displaying an extreme kind of bitterness I've only heard from extremist militant racists so far. Whether you like it or not, he's not "pretending" anything. He was elected and IS president.

Cripes, dude. You sound like Glenn Beck, ranting like an idiot with unfounded accusations and twisting everything said and done to fit your own agenda or that of the propagandists that riddle Fox News and CNN these days. We'll have a new president in '12 or '16. Relax.


There you have it, ladies 'n gentlemens ... another proud 'Defender of the Faith' speaks ... well, for what THAT's worth ... I display 'bitterness' ... ? you're damned RIGHT I'm bitter - the little boy in short pants playing 'president' is actively destroying the country I inherited from my forefathers and intend to leave to my posterity. I'm supposed to IGNORE that? Not bloody likely. I will oppose him, his tactics, and his suckup sycophants (if the shoe fits ... ) for as long as it takes. He is a malignant narcissist with an active hatred of MY country. He is dangerous to me and my posterity with his Soviet-esque policies. If YOU want to be part of that, fine - I have no problem opposing you, either.

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Tue 04/13/10 05:30 PM
Edited by cashu on Tue 04/13/10 05:39 PM

Getting involved and getting others to join you is the key to change. If you do not like the current regime, work hard to change it. Join your local REC (Republican Executive Committee) or DEC (Democratic Executive Committee) and help in the GOTV (Get out the Vote) efforts in your community. Building from local up is the way to go. Representation by the people for the people. Vertical Politics!

quick where's the lacky line , I feel the need to meet the people who are distroying this country . after i beg you for some change i'll go to the demo headquarters and do the same thing . I really need to shake the hand of the people who are distroying us . [the bribers and the bribed , hand and hand passing the soul of the nation back aqnd forth . as if we owe this country no more than our contemp .
hey 2010 your arguement is moot . and your answers are predictable . at least lets argue in the same year . bush is a bum and history books are going to say the same thing .

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Wed 04/14/10 08:32 AM

There you have it, ladies 'n gentlemens ... another proud 'Defender of the Faith' speaks ... well, for what THAT's worth ... I display 'bitterness' ... ? you're damned RIGHT I'm bitter - the little boy in short pants playing 'president' is actively destroying the country I inherited from my forefathers and intend to leave to my posterity. I'm supposed to IGNORE that? Not bloody likely. I will oppose him, his tactics, and his suckup sycophants (if the shoe fits ... ) for as long as it takes. He is a malignant narcissist with an active hatred of MY country. He is dangerous to me and my posterity with his Soviet-esque policies. If YOU want to be part of that, fine - I have no problem opposing you, either.


Defender of the Faith? You've got nothing better than that? I've already stated that I voted for Obama only to keep McCain-Palin out of office (You wanna talk about RuiNation? That would have really been destroying this country if those two got in).

With every new president there's always someone that's saying the exact same thing you're saying now. Want to oppose him? Fine, but try doing it in a coherent, non-raving-lunatic (if the shoe fits ...) manner.

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Wed 04/14/10 09:01 AM


There you have it, ladies 'n gentlemens ... another proud 'Defender of the Faith' speaks ... well, for what THAT's worth ... I display 'bitterness' ... ? you're damned RIGHT I'm bitter - the little boy in short pants playing 'president' is actively destroying the country I inherited from my forefathers and intend to leave to my posterity. I'm supposed to IGNORE that? Not bloody likely. I will oppose him, his tactics, and his suckup sycophants (if the shoe fits ... ) for as long as it takes. He is a malignant narcissist with an active hatred of MY country. He is dangerous to me and my posterity with his Soviet-esque policies. If YOU want to be part of that, fine - I have no problem opposing you, either.


Defender of the Faith? You've got nothing better than that? I've already stated that I voted for Obama only to keep McCain-Palin out of office (You wanna talk about RuiNation? That would have really been destroying this country if those two got in).

With every new president there's always someone that's saying the exact same thing you're saying now. Want to oppose him? Fine, but try doing it in a coherent, non-raving-lunatic (if the shoe fits ...) manner.


Talk about lame ... you pulled the trigger for the Communist to keep an AMERICAN out of office ... ? I'm not even gonna try to make sense of that. I am NO fan of McShame either, but I still pulled the switch for him before putting a Communist in charge of our nation. Pity you couldn't find a way to pull the lever for, oh, let's say, Ron Paul instead ... it wouldn't have elected him, and you'd have taken a vote away from a Communist. I guess that's asking for a bit too much forethought, tho'. No cigar for you, boy-o. Enjoy being ruled.

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Wed 04/14/10 09:49 AM
Edited by donthatoneguy on Wed 04/14/10 09:51 AM
Actually, I would've preferred voting for Ron Paul (in a more perfect world, had he been the republican candidate). But what it boiled down to was, what has to be done to keep an idiot from being one heart attack away from the presidency. Sorry, it was not an easy decision.

Communist ... how about defining how Obama's a communist, define how that's bad and define how you think McCain/Palin would have been better for this country. After that, you can explain why having socialized fire departments, police departments and schools are bad for America too. "Socialized Healthcare?! Oh no!" ... why don't you look at these:

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-healthcare.htm

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/19/opinion/main6223147.shtml

http://www.rwjf.org/pr/product.jsp?id=47508

France, being #1 has socialized healthcare. Sorry.

American ... Apparently someone did not get the memo that Hawaii became a state in 1959. The only people that still question whether Obama is American are Fox News execs and the people who watch the network religiously.

He's president, you lost, get over it. Being irrational about it will do nothing. You think he's going to impose laws that will ruin this country? Then keep in contact with your senator and representatives and express your desire for them to vote against whatever bill you find questionable. That's how the system (supposedly) works and stay in touch with the GOP and make sure they put up VALID candidates in '12.

I'm not saying "don't speak your mind" and I'm not "all about Obama" ... just a little clarity in your ranting would be nice. You do it rather well in religious debate ... which is mostly why I'm butting heads with you here. happy

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Wed 04/14/10 09:58 AM

Actually, I would've preferred voting for Ron Paul (in a more perfect world, had he been the republican candidate). But what it boiled down to was, what has to be done to keep an idiot from being one heart attack away from the presidency. Sorry, it was not an easy decision.

Communist ... how about defining how Obama's a communist, define how that's bad and define how you think McCain/Palin would have been better for this country. After that, you can explain why having socialized fire departments, police departments and schools are bad for America too. "Socialized Healthcare?! Oh no!" ... why don't you look at these:

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-healthcare.htm

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/19/opinion/main6223147.shtml

http://www.rwjf.org/pr/product.jsp?id=47508

France, being #1 has socialized healthcare. Sorry.

American ... Apparently someone did not get the memo that Hawaii became a state in 1959. The only people that still question whether Obama is American are Fox News execs and the people who watch the network religiously.

He's president, you lost, get over it. Being irrational about it will do nothing. You think he's going to impose laws that will ruin this country? Then keep in contact with your senator and representatives and express your desire for them to vote against whatever bill you find questionable. That's how the system (supposedly) works and stay in touch with the GOP and make sure they put up VALID candidates in '12.

I'm not saying "don't speak your mind" and I'm not "all about Obama" ... just a little clarity in your ranting would be nice. You do it rather well in religious debate.


If I have to be the one to define 'Communist' for you, then it's already FAR too late to make a difference. See, THIS is the kinda stuff you should have been taught in school. I don't do 'remedial'.

You REALLY need to be TOLD why people who LOVE this country would be a BETTER choice than a Communist with a Leninist agenda would ever be? Oh holy crap. You are farther gone than I suspected.

There's only ONE thing you said that's correct: he is, unfortunately for us and our posterity, our 'play date president'. If you mistakenly believe I don't already routinely communicate with my elected representatives ... jeez ... some people's children ...

Since you encourage me to encourage the GOP to field what you term 'valid' candidates, why don't you tell our listening audience exactly how you define 'valid' ... ? Do you want the 'pubs to field ANOTHER 'Obama' ... ? HE's certainly the most invalid occupant of the Oval Office to ever sit in the big boy chair.

If you're (as you claim) not 'all about Obama', you do a damned good impersonation of someone who's had at least one pitcher too many of the Kool-Aid® from his table. It's interesting watching you contort and distort to back away from your position, tho' - you're no different from any other 'progressive' leftist ... when it's not goin' your way, change the subject. Nuh-unh, Herbie ...

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Wed 04/14/10 10:30 AM
someone here sure sounds like rush limbaugh....
he rants and raves like a loon too...
just saying.....

ps,i agree with msHarmony and donthatoneguy
good reading there drinker

most esp about the mccain/palin ticket..that Was a timebomb there.
which begets the question of WHY those two were chosen to be candidates..

can you imagine a war hawk or a extreme ditz with the keys to the nukes?

oops ..didnt mean to blow up the world...or even worse..
surprised they did what?- well we`ll show Them!scared

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Wed 04/14/10 10:49 AM
Edited by Kings_Knight on Wed 04/14/10 10:50 AM

someone here sure sounds like rush limbaugh....
he rants and raves like a loon too...
just saying.....

ps,i agree with msHarmony and donthatoneguy
good reading there drinker

most esp about the mccain/palin ticket..that Was a timebomb there.
which begets the question of WHY those two were chosen to be candidates..

can you imagine a war hawk or a extreme ditz with the keys to the nukes?

oops ..didnt mean to blow up the world...or even worse..
surprised they did what?- well we`ll show Them!scared


C'mon, doc - I'm a big boy ... I can take your diagnosis. I AM ranting. Have you noticed others are ALSO ranting too ... ? I'm just sayin' ...

I did NOT (repeat, did NOT) like McLame. I am a Reagan Conservative. I am also NON-affilitated. I despise both parties equally, so I can take shots at both without regard to whose 'pweshuss widdle feewings' get hurt.

That said, I would MUCH rather see the codes for the nukes in PALIN's keeping than in the hands of 'the ONE' (PBUH) ... Better hope you have the tenacity to live with the results of your choice over the long haul - it's only gonna keep goin' downhill with him in charge. But by all means, enjoy your 'victory' ... can you say 'Pyrrhic' ... ?

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Wed 04/14/10 11:08 AM
Wow ...

Ok, this is the last response I'm giving to you because its turning out not to be worth it.

A) No, I don't need to be taught about communism. I said you should explain HOW Obama is a communist. Since you didn't, I'll assume either you, yourself, don't know or that you have no proof. Done.

B) Since you won't explain why Obama does not love this country and how McCain does, I'll again assume that either you don't know or that you have no proof. Done.

C) A valid candidate (in my opinion) is someone that hasn't completely flipped over in the 8 years since his last presidential bid. I would have voted for McCain in 2000 had he been the candidate instead of Bush. But in '08, he was no longer McCain, he was George W. Bush Part II. Since you obviously haven't realized this or bothered to do the research, then I'll assume that you have no basis for your argument, once again. Ron Paul, as I stated above, was a VALID candidate and he would have gotten my vote.

D) I didn't change the subject, I asked you to elaborate on your arguments. You have not, all you have done is attack me. So again, I've little choice but to assume you have no idea what you're talking about.

This has been very disappointing. Ah well. Enjoy, sir.

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Wed 04/14/10 01:16 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 04/14/10 01:19 PM
As beautiful as she is and as cute as her wink and her catch phrases are,,,THIS is not the person I want deciding who is a danger or not a danger to the US...

"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil." –-Sarah Palin, in a message posted on Facebook about Obama's health care plan'


""I think on a national level your Department of Law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out." --Sarah Palin, referring to a department that does not exist while attempting to explain why as president she wouldn't be subjected to the same ethics investigations that compelled her to resign as governor of Alaska, ABC News interview, July 7, 2009"

She is Jane Average in her inability to use logic and research in place of sensationalism and divisiveness...and I would NEVER want the bulldog/mom/hunter to have her hands on the button.

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Wed 04/14/10 03:30 PM
Edited by DrRob on Wed 04/14/10 03:32 PM


someone here sure sounds like rush limbaugh....
he rants and raves like a loon too...
just saying.....



C'mon, doc - I'm a big boy ... I can take your diagnosis. I AM ranting. Have you noticed others are ALSO ranting too ... ? I'm just sayin' ...


rotflmao!
honesty,the best policy.
i can dig a Good rant,as long as its a rant and not a bash against another person,yanno?
heck,i could waste twenty mins rantin to you allll about my crappy *** dodge truck that the transmission somehow - misplaced - reverse...but i wont :wink:

i still say palin would NEVER have commanded an ounce of respect from not only americans,but the rest of the free world.
hillary clinton,maybe could have pulled it off,shes def devious enough,but strong.

it was sheer insanity to put her on the ticket.
you would think,with all the money spent on campaigns,that they would be able to have found better candidates.
doesnt that make you Wonder why they couldnt?

She is Jane Average in her inability to use logic and research in place of sensationalism and divisiveness...and I would NEVER want the bulldog/mom/hunter to have her hands on the button.


Amen to that MsHarmony.

vice president or presidential material she was NOT.
just my opinion.

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Wed 04/14/10 03:37 PM


C) A valid candidate (in my opinion) is someone that hasn't completely flipped over in the 8 years since his last presidential bid. I would have voted for McCain in 2000 had he been the candidate instead of Bush. But in '08, he was no longer McCain, he was George W. Bush Part II. Since you obviously haven't realized this or bothered to do the research, then I'll assume that you have no basis for your argument, once again. Ron Paul, as I stated above, was a VALID candidate and he would have gotten my vote.


exactly drinker
again,well said sir.

i agree,i think Anyone running for president,should be PUBLICLY examined as to what hes been doing for the past 10 years in politics.

i think its an utter load when our supposed representatives- vote for...against..for..against..depending on whos dollar is greasing their hand...sigh.

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Thu 04/15/10 05:38 PM



C) A valid candidate (in my opinion) is someone that hasn't completely flipped over in the 8 years since his last presidential bid. I would have voted for McCain in 2000 had he been the candidate instead of Bush. But in '08, he was no longer McCain, he was George W. Bush Part II. Since you obviously haven't realized this or bothered to do the research, then I'll assume that you have no basis for your argument, once again. Ron Paul, as I stated above, was a VALID candidate and he would have gotten my vote.


exactly drinker
again,well said sir.

i agree,i think Anyone running for president,should be PUBLICLY examined as to what hes been doing for the past 10 years in politics.

i think its an utter load when our supposed representatives- vote for...against..for..against..depending on whos dollar is greasing their hand...sigh.


How, then, do you condone the absolute LACK of scruting of 'The ONE' by the 'media' [sic] duirng the campaign of '08? Seems like it was okay then (as it is now) to give 'Dear Comrade Leader' a pass when anyone else would have been raked over the coals. 'Selective breeding' is an apt descriptor for our 'political candidates' on the Left. When y' have 'journalists' [ahem] like Chris Matthews announcing he has a 'thrill run up my leg' when he hears 'The ONE' speak. that is no longer journalism but advocacy for a particular, PREFERRED, candidate. So how do you square your position with that operative reality?