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If the lack of being discredited is the reason for that belief, then what of evolution? It has not been disproven and evidence grows in its favor.
And, just to take this to the extreme, the presence of the Almighty Bob has not been disproven either and, truly, cannot be discredited, only proven highly improbable. So why, too, do you not believe in Bob? |
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If the lack of being discredited is the reason for that belief, then what of evolution? It has not been disproven and evidence grows in its favor. And, just to take this to the extreme, the presence of the Almighty Bob has not been disproven either and, truly, cannot be discredited, only proven highly improbable. So why, too, do you not believe in Bob? evolution does not in anyway prove God doesn't exist. First off, the theory we evolved from apes or somethin as such. We may have appeared to be like an ape at first, we had to have lots of hair for we did not know how to make cloths yet. And the poster might have also been ape like for we had to live like an animal and people mimic the beings around them. Evolution actually proves there is a God in a great creation. Us humans are a great creation when you think about it, we evolve to our surroundings. People in warmer climates tend to have a darker complection to protect them from the sun. And so on. Also thing that might makes us appear more ape like in the earlier years, our skin was probably very leathery. It was leathery because it was out in the weather all the time, rather then how it is now cause we have houses, cars, and many other things to keep out of the weather alot. |
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evolution does not in anyway prove God doesn't exist. First off, the theory we evolved from apes or somethin as such. We may have appeared to be like an ape at first, we had to have lots of hair for we did not know how to make cloths yet. And the poster might have also been ape like for we had to live like an animal and people mimic the beings around them. Evolution actually proves there is a God in a great creation. Us humans are a great creation when you think about it, we evolve to our surroundings. People in warmer climates tend to have a darker complection to protect them from the sun. And so on. Also thing that might makes us appear more ape like in the earlier years, our skin was probably very leathery. It was leathery because it was out in the weather all the time, rather then how it is now cause we have houses, cars, and many other things to keep out of the weather alot. I didn't say evolution disproved God. However, reason does if evolution is true. As Richard Dawkins has stated (and I'm paraphrasing here) "If evolution exists and is the natural order of things, then for God to exist as an intelligent and complex being, he would have had to undergo that same process of evolving over an extremely long period of time as have humans. He could not have existed, whole, from the very beginning." |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Tue 04/13/10 12:16 PM
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evolution does not in anyway prove God doesn't exist. First off, the theory we evolved from apes or somethin as such. We may have appeared to be like an ape at first, we had to have lots of hair for we did not know how to make cloths yet. And the poster might have also been ape like for we had to live like an animal and people mimic the beings around them. Evolution actually proves there is a God in a great creation. Us humans are a great creation when you think about it, we evolve to our surroundings. People in warmer climates tend to have a darker complection to protect them from the sun. And so on. Also thing that might makes us appear more ape like in the earlier years, our skin was probably very leathery. It was leathery because it was out in the weather all the time, rather then how it is now cause we have houses, cars, and many other things to keep out of the weather alot. |
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evolution does not in anyway prove God doesn't exist. First off, the theory we evolved from apes or somethin as such. We may have appeared to be like an ape at first, we had to have lots of hair for we did not know how to make cloths yet. And the poster might have also been ape like for we had to live like an animal and people mimic the beings around them. Evolution actually proves there is a God in a great creation. Us humans are a great creation when you think about it, we evolve to our surroundings. People in warmer climates tend to have a darker complection to protect them from the sun. And so on. Also thing that might makes us appear more ape like in the earlier years, our skin was probably very leathery. It was leathery because it was out in the weather all the time, rather then how it is now cause we have houses, cars, and many other things to keep out of the weather alot. I didn't say evolution disproved God. However, reason does if evolution is true. As Richard Dawkins has stated (and I'm paraphrasing here) "If evolution exists and is the natural order of things, then for God to exist as an intelligent and complex being, he would have had to undergo that same process of evolving over an extremely long period of time as have humans. He could not have existed, whole, from the very beginning." How would one assume that? That would be putting humans and human nature to the same level and power as God our father. God our father knows everything and is everything, so there is no need for God to evolve. We are extrordinarily primitive in comparison to God. So therefor God wouldn't have to evolve to keep up with us, we're trying to catch up to him in that sence. |
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How would one assume that? That would be putting humans and human nature to the same level and power as God our father. God our father knows everything and is everything, so there is no need for God to evolve. We are extrordinarily primitive in comparison to God. So therefor God wouldn't have to evolve to keep up with us, we're trying to catch up to him in that sence. Because God would have to be extraordinarily complex, far more than humans by your own standards. That does not just happen as those who believe in God do not believe that "nature" and our presence on earth did not just happen. So if God created the universe, earth and humanity, what conditions created God? |
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How would one assume that? That would be putting humans and human nature to the same level and power as God our father. God our father knows everything and is everything, so there is no need for God to evolve. We are extrordinarily primitive in comparison to God. So therefor God wouldn't have to evolve to keep up with us, we're trying to catch up to him in that sence. Because God would have to be extraordinarily complex, far more than humans by your own standards. That does not just happen as those who believe in God do not believe that "nature" and our presence on earth did not just happen. So if God created the universe, earth and humanity, what conditions created God? nothing created God. God is the begining, the end, the alpha, and the omega. |
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Everybody have to believe in something...
I believe I need a beer, I`m gonna go get it. |
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If the lack of being discredited is the reason for that belief, then what of evolution? It has not been disproven and evidence grows in its favor. And, just to take this to the extreme, the presence of the Almighty Bob has not been disproven either and, truly, cannot be discredited, only proven highly improbable. So why, too, do you not believe in Bob? again, there is not the extensive literature to back up such a belief in Bob. There is plenty backing up a history in which Christ existed and plenty which correlates to what Christ taught of God. There is plenty which backs up evolution as well, which I tend to believe corresponds with creation,,,but thats another debate:) |
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Edited by
Foliel
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and here I thought I could post something that I thought was sweet and thought out and it gets turned into a debate about Bob, God, and evolution...
Poor Bob, he doesn't even know he's being debated about.. also in order to claim that God is not a belief, you would have to agree that the deity of all religions are not a belief but are as real as the followers that believe in them. |
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Edited by
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i'm gonna give you all some insight about the church that not many people know.
this is how shrewd the church can be.....you all know that they have plenty of money, right? well, did you know that they stiffed their beloved Michealangelo???? well........................they did! he was commisioned to do Moses........ the church decided NOT to pay him.......they said your statue should make a wonderful donation to our collection AFTER bartering an already low price! they decided to stiff him! (they've tried to stiff me before too) SO.......he snuck in and he made those horns that you see on moses head after everyone left the building that night.... i think it's hilarious! hurray for Mikey!!! what cheap, filthy rich bass-turds. they stiff so many people that way, and try to make you feel guilty for charging them at all... the one that tried to stiff me? i started to paint his church dome black. he paid me..... i'll never paint cherubs again! i hate damn cherubs. foppish little things...uuuuaaah! ummmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMM!!!   |
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I suspect if there were a book from forty different authors , over 1000 years old, selling billions of copies,, regarding the history of BOB and his omniscience, we could change the name God to BOB and it would not be considered a mental illness to believe in him either,,, Actually, there is a Bob-God. Though I believe its just a running joke. And lets not forget ... that's how Scientology came about recently, so its not so far-fetched. If either of those books last a thousand years and sell billions of copies,, there may someday be a valid belief in Bob God that must be some strange definition of the word "valid" I hadn't heard before. not really, from miriam webster,definition two of valid well-grounded or justifiable : being at once relevant and meaningful <a valid theory> b : logically correct <a valid argument> <valid inference> much like our beliefs in Columbus, or Michaelangelo or any other historically recorded figure are considered valid because of the mountain of writings supporting their existence,,, The books of the bible stand a similar test to rationalize the belief some have in the validity of its contents,, Just because something lasts awhile and sells well, doesn't have anything to do w/ it's validity. People, for thousands of years, believed the Earth was flat. Lots of popular maps showed the flat Earth. That is a really stupid argument. I am disappointed. We have lots of good evidence for the past existance of people like Columbus and Michaelangelo. Evidence that can be examined, verified, ect. While for your godthing, there is nothing, but a badly translated, verifyably wrong on several points of history, old book. But hey, it's popular, so it must be right. |
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that was not the point,..you can say whatever you want,..it`s a free county,.( I think ) the point was,..it would heal alot of strife,.if people would tend to their own gardens & let others look after theirs,.. granted. However, people who believe that their invisable friends are real can be a danger. Not only to themselves, but to others as well. Especially when they insist others should believe in their invisable friends too, which those that believe most often do. And why is it when someone declares that God speaks to them and that they can "feel" God's presence, it's not considered a mental illness? Change the name to Bob and it most certainly is. What's the difference? I suspect if there were a book from forty different authors , over 1000 years old, selling billions of copies,, regarding the history of BOB and his omniscience, we could change the name God to BOB and it would not be considered a mental illness to believe in him either,,, So...what you are actually saying is the only reason you believe in God is because he's popular and has a best seller? Well that's a helleva reason to believe in something. No, wait, God speaks to you and you feel his presence, too.  Well Bob and I have been talking and we agree, that's just crazy. nah,, Im saying the difference in believing in Bob and believing in God is the amount of historical documentation supporting that belief. My knowledge of God, began with a book,,but my Faith in God is something much deeper and not about popularity Historical documentation??? Are you mad?? What historical documentation?? If you're talking about the Bible, surely you must be aware that virtually every story in it is either copied from somewhere else and/or is not verifyable absolutely anywhere else?!? Not to mention the stories w/i it don't always agree on what happened. It's about as historically accurate as the Lord of the Rings (and not nearly as entertaining). And if you were born in a different country, you would've begun w/ a different book and had a different faith. It is exactly about popularity; what is popular where you are. |
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The difference between Columbus and Michaelangelo having "discovered America" (though not really) and Painting the Sistine Chapel are far different than a few collected books written by an oppressed people, especially books that cannot agree on what God is or what God does. We're here on this continent, so we know someone (we call him Columbus) came over from Europe, which caused the natives a mountain of grief for many of years and then England a mountain of grief for many years and then the USA was born. There was a great artist that lived many years ago and we can see their work ... we call him "Michaelangelo". The Bible is a collection of different books that relate a great many tales that were told hundreds of times over in previous myths like Dionysus and Horus. Books in which not all versions are accepted. When Christianity came to Rome, Constantine held a forum in which the Bible (in somewhat current form) was debated on and what to include ... whether Jesus should be presented as a regular guy or a deity. King James gave us our most recent edition (proven by "King James Version"), taking out things he did not really care for himself. And what of those other books that didn't make the cut? Like the Gospel of Judas or that of Mary Magdalen (and the versions that name her Jesus' wife)? So if its been edited to fit those in powers' idea of what they want in a religion and its not the original word of God ... what makes it valid? it hasnt been Disproven,,,regarding columbus and michaelangelo, I would argue that because I am here, I know Someone or something caused me to be,,,,,,and i can see the nature all around me that either came from accidents or from some intelligence,,, The bible hasn't been disproven? Really? So the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever, except a story in the bible, that the Egyptians ever owned Jewish slaves doesn't do it for you? How about the story of Noah's Ark being copied, nearly word for word, from a Sumarian story of Gilgamesh(sp?)? Or Hell being an actual place, a trash dump next to Jerusolum(my spelling sucks today) where dead animals and the dead poor were dumped, not some mystical nether world one's unclean soul would go after death? These are but a few examples how wrong the bible is on just a few things of historical note. You pick a story from the bible of what you think is a factual account of history, and I'll show you where you are wrong. |
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How would one assume that? That would be putting humans and human nature to the same level and power as God our father. God our father knows everything and is everything, so there is no need for God to evolve. We are extrordinarily primitive in comparison to God. So therefor God wouldn't have to evolve to keep up with us, we're trying to catch up to him in that sence. Because God would have to be extraordinarily complex, far more than humans by your own standards. That does not just happen as those who believe in God do not believe that "nature" and our presence on earth did not just happen. So if God created the universe, earth and humanity, what conditions created God? nothing created God. God is the begining, the end, the alpha, and the omega. why not save a step and just say nothing created the universe? oh crap...I told myself I wasn't going to encourage you...
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If the lack of being discredited is the reason for that belief, then what of evolution? It has not been disproven and evidence grows in its favor. And, just to take this to the extreme, the presence of the Almighty Bob has not been disproven either and, truly, cannot be discredited, only proven highly improbable. So why, too, do you not believe in Bob? again, there is not the extensive literature to back up such a belief in Bob. There is plenty backing up a history in which Christ existed and plenty which correlates to what Christ taught of God. There is plenty which backs up evolution as well, which I tend to believe corresponds with creation,,,but thats another debate:) uh...actually, there isn't any literature backing up the existance of your Jesus, the Christ. Well, nothing that is accepted as genuine and historically accurate, anyway. The bible doesn't count. You can't use the bible to prove the stories in the bible are true. Ok, well, you could, but it wouldn't be a valid argument. |
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i'm gonna give you all some insight about the church that not many people know. this is how shrewd the church can be.....you all know that they have plenty of money, right? well, did you know that they stiffed their beloved Michealangelo???? well........................they did! he was commisioned to do Moses........ the church decided NOT to pay him.......they said your statue should make a wonderful donation to our collection AFTER bartering an already low price! they decided to stiff him! (they've tried to stiff me before too) SO.......he snuck in and he made those horns that you see on moses head after everyone left the building that night.... i think it's hilarious! hurray for Mikey!!! what cheap, filthy rich bass-turds. they stiff so many people that way, and try to make you feel guilty for charging them at all... the one that tried to stiff me? i started to paint his church dome black. he paid me..... i'll never paint cherubs again! i hate damn cherubs. foppish little things...uuuuaaah! ummmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMM!!! noone could claim that most churches don't like the money... |
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i'm gonna give you all some insight about the church that not many people know. this is how shrewd the church can be.....you all know that they have plenty of money, right? well, did you know that they stiffed their beloved Michealangelo???? well........................they did! he was commisioned to do Moses........ the church decided NOT to pay him.......they said your statue should make a wonderful donation to our collection AFTER bartering an already low price! they decided to stiff him! (they've tried to stiff me before too) SO.......he snuck in and he made those horns that you see on moses head after everyone left the building that night.... i think it's hilarious! hurray for Mikey!!! what cheap, filthy rich bass-turds. they stiff so many people that way, and try to make you feel guilty for charging them at all... the one that tried to stiff me? i started to paint his church dome black. he paid me..... i'll never paint cherubs again! i hate damn cherubs. foppish little things...uuuuaaah! ummmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMM!!! noone could claim that most churches don't like the money... 
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If we all found that within ourselves, and let people live their own lives, the world would be better off. While it is a lovely sentiment that some wars might have never happened if people weren't so religiously divided, it is a logical fallacy. Ultimately, wars are fought over land and power. Religion is an excuse that gives validity to domination. It sounds SO much better to say, "Hey, god told me that land is mine" instead of "Hey, I want your land and I'm gonna take it." Humans are driven by the basic instincts that helped us evolve, and humans are biologically programmed to take what they need in order to survive. Yes, we are also programmed with empathy, sympathy and the desire to help and succor, but those "good" qualities were not extended to those outside the clan or tribe. Today, cultural evolution tells us that we shouldn't fight and that humanity is one huge clan; our logic tells us that war is not beneficial, but the other programming still exists. But for thousands of years, we have merely tried to salve our consciences by claiming deity tells us what to do. |
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If the lack of being discredited is the reason for that belief, then what of evolution? It has not been disproven and evidence grows in its favor. And, just to take this to the extreme, the presence of the Almighty Bob has not been disproven either and, truly, cannot be discredited, only proven highly improbable. So why, too, do you not believe in Bob? again, there is not the extensive literature to back up such a belief in Bob. There is plenty backing up a history in which Christ existed and plenty which correlates to what Christ taught of God. There is plenty which backs up evolution as well, which I tend to believe corresponds with creation,,,but thats another debate:) uh...actually, there isn't any literature backing up the existance of your Jesus, the Christ. Well, nothing that is accepted as genuine and historically accurate, anyway. The bible doesn't count. You can't use the bible to prove the stories in the bible are true. Ok, well, you could, but it wouldn't be a valid argument. well, the bible doesnt count to YOU. But it is literature that backs up the existence of Jesus. |
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