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Topic: An observation
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Fri 06/15/07 11:11 AM
If you could see and everyone else was blind from birth, if you were to
tell them that the sky is blue, the clouds are white and the sun is
bright and yellow, they wouldn't know what you were talking about.
Blue, white, yellow and bright are all things that they have never
observed, so it would simply confuse them. And maybe they would get
angry that you seemed to think you have some sort of secret knowledge
that they don't have. Maybe they would argue and say "The sun isn't
bright or yellow, it's hot and clouds aren't 'white', whatever that
means, they are cool and wet."

Just something I was thinking about.

Wildone4lyfe's photo
Fri 06/15/07 11:21 AM
eh?

Spider can you explain scientifically why the sky is blue? OR

Why there are a variety of colors during a sunset?

SheNerd's photo
Fri 06/15/07 11:24 AM
Or how many angels can fit on the head of a pin? Or what happened to
the "where's the beef?" lady from the Wendy's ads? Or why Charmin feels
so much better than Angel Soft? Inquiring minds want to know all this
and so much more...

s1owhand's photo
Fri 06/15/07 11:27 AM
Rayleigh Scattering - the molecules which make up the air scatter the
shorter wavelengths of light preferentially so that the blue is
scattered all over the sky!

This light scattering also produces the beautiful array of colors in the
sunset - the long tangential path through the atmosphere scatters all
the blue light away leaving rich orange and reds.

But look away from the sunset and see an amazing violet-blue...

Gets me every time.

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Fri 06/15/07 11:28 AM
Wildone4lyfe,

You can probably google those answers.

SheNerd,

I don't believe that angels are physical beings, so I don't think they
would take up any physical space at all...so I would guess all of them
could fit on the head of a pin.

She died.

Does it? I'll have to try them side by side.

SheNerd's photo
Fri 06/15/07 11:30 AM
You don't have to compare them, just watch those bears in the ad, they
feel so good they dance around in their own droppings.

SheNerd's photo
Fri 06/15/07 11:31 AM
Slow, are you sure it's not just the drugs talking??

ArtGurl's photo
Fri 06/15/07 11:31 AM
There are many ways to see and many ways to describe things. We use
different languages and have to find new ways to communicate old ideas.

That is how I worked with a blind child once ...

clouds - fluffy cotton
blue - ice cube
sun - the heat from a lightbulb
etc.

A world with sight and colour would only be the world from your
perspective. And even those of us with sight - who is to say what I see
is the same as what you see.

Is my blue the same as your blue. There is no way to know.

Equally fascinating to me is the cross-wiring that sometimes happens in
people's brains. They have the senses mixed up and will say this salad
tastes pointy .... or that blue is hot.

Perception is our reality and it is only true for us. Sight is just one
of our senses and we have both physical and subtle sight.

I was in a training with a blind woman last year. She was completely
blind with no light at all. But she had an interesting suble sight.
Every once in a while it was as though she could see.

One example is that she was in a different seat while we were on a break
- a typical room setup with name cards for the instructor to identify
us. Out of the blue, this blind woman said I know what this says. And
she proceeded to tell us the name on the card. There was no way for her
to physically 'see' it but she saw it nontheless in her mind's eye in
that moment.

All we can do is share our perspectives...they resonate with some and
not with others. But I must be ever mindful that my perspective, my
perception is only true for me.

s1owhand's photo
Fri 06/15/07 11:32 AM
let's just say - you don't have to google it anymore.

Duffy's photo
Fri 06/15/07 11:33 AM
nerd have u been smoking the weed again?flowerforyou

daniel48706's photo
Fri 06/15/07 11:34 AM
as far as a blind person not being able to "perceive" colors that is not
neccesarily true. There has been some scientific investigations into
the phenomenon of people (both with and without sight) feeling colors,
and hearing colors.
Someone else posted about it in jsh a while ago, and if I can find it
again on the net i will bring it forward, meanwhile look it up yourself
also if interrested. Some people really do know what the color blue is
by taste, and they knwo that sugar is sweet by the smell.

BonnyMiss's photo
Fri 06/15/07 11:36 AM
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king

flowerforyou

nurjoyce's photo
Fri 06/15/07 11:37 AM
you would have to use touch to compare colors to

ajhagena's photo
Fri 06/15/07 12:03 PM
Activate or block or confuse certain seritonin receptors and you can
feel, taste, smell, and hear colors.

Hence LSD experience.

But other than that colors can only pertain to vision.

s1owhand's photo
Fri 06/15/07 12:07 PM
i *knew* it

and probably SheNerd too...

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Fri 06/15/07 12:07 PM
Someone with Synaesthesia can see smells. Or more accurately, someone
with Synaesthesia associates certain smells with shapes. My son has
Synaesthesia, he says that bleach is "spiky" and certain foods are
"square" or "round" for example.

SheNerd's photo
Fri 06/15/07 12:09 PM
I should have known this was all just a big hallucination, I keep seeing
KFC buckets everywhere. Make it stop!!!

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Fri 06/15/07 12:10 PM
Oh, forgot to mention, some people with Synaesthesia associate smells
with colors. This disease also effects hearing, so someone might see
sounds as various colors or shapes. Jimmy Hendrix had Synaesthesia and
a particular chord was purple to him, which is why he wrote the song
"Purple Haze" and used that chord extensively.

s1owhand's photo
Fri 06/15/07 12:15 PM
it is believed that many of us share this to a much lesser extent of
Synaesthesia - such as when a certain scent provokes a strong visual or
touch memory. interesting.

SheNerd's photo
Fri 06/15/07 12:16 PM
Does goat pee count???

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