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Oh, and btw: Fact check for you all... NOBODY is getting health care out of this. That is guaranteed from the moment you set foot in a hospital. You will be taken care of, by law. Yes, you can go to the ER without insurance. You will get the big bill. If you can't pay it, we all pay it. So...you're at the ER because of seizures. They stop the seizures and find a brain tumor. That's the end of the ER visit. You can't get aftercare for the tumor without insurance. Actually, you will get care for the tumor... you just have to go to the ER for it after you leave the ER (if you can leave, if not they by law must treat you for all conditions which could make it so you can't leave). And yes, we taxpayers foot the bill. So we are already paying for the care... this bill just adds a bunch of government 'jobs' and regulations to the bill. Over $1 trillion worth of regulations and regulators. Honestly, there are reforms needed... but somehow that much money for people telling us what they think about it is just stupid. Actually, they won't treat the brain tumor unless it is threatening your life at that very moment. If it is not going to kill you while you're there, you will be referred to a doctor that can treat it. They won't provide chemotherapy or anything like that in the ER either. |
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Adj4u, We're two flags talking to each other. lol Nice to see you again.  yes but we are two totally different flags standing for different things my flag is from a time of the united states that stood for liberty and person freedoms and personal accountability and the flag of today stands for govt mandates and obligatory govt handouts but hey it is nice to see you here as well by the way who is going to pay for the vouchers for health care that the guy working at wal-mart can not afford and is it any different than if they went to the er and got care for the knife wound they got while being robbed by some one wanting illegal drugs that if they were legal and taxed would be more readily available and cheaper thus he may not have been stbbed to begin with s o see legalize the drugs tax them use the money saved on the war against drugs to pay for your health care hehehehe |
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Factcheck: Here's a look at some of the myths and realities, from both sides of the issue: • Obama has put the nation on a slippery slope toward socialism. Hello? Government's role in health care has been steadily growing since Medicare and Medicaid were established 45 years ago. Even if Republicans were to take control of Washington and repeal this bill, government would still be on track to pick up more than half the nation's health care tab by 2012, according to a report last month from Medicare. "The Republican myth is that the government is for the first time going to take over the health care sector," said economist Joe Antos of the business-oriented American Enterprise Institute. "The takeover was probably largely accomplished in 1965 with the creation of Medicare and Medicaid. Since the early days, Medicare has called the shots on a lot of policy issues that private insurance fell in line with." Still, the new law will undoubtedly expand the government's influence. Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., warned Tuesday it will lead to the "quasi-nationalization of the health industry." Underline "quasi." Democrats dropped their idea of a government insurance plan to compete with private carriers. So any "socialization" will be channeled through Wellpoint, UnitedHealthcare and other private insurance giants. fact check everything you mentioned breaks this amendment to the constitution of the United States Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Do you suggest getting rid of Medicare and Medicaid too? I do. They are so fraud ridden and so far in debt... we have to do something differently. I'm not saying just cut everyone off cold, but if doctors won't even take the coverage something is wrong! It might be that Medicaid and Medicare just don't pay... or pay enough to cover the cost of the care. How about we try allowing everyone paying taxes to keep that money, and have them in charge of making sure relatives medical is paid... in combination with nonprofits like the salvation army and the red cross? I bet you we'd see a ton less fake charges! Oh, and btw: Fact check for you all... NOBODY is getting health care out of this. That is guaranteed from the moment you set foot in a hospital. You will be taken care of, by law. So, in opinion: This is just a chance to add a bunch of government jobs, and taxes, and paperwork to the health care process. actuelly the debt remark is wrong the social security administration is in the black the united states congress (you know those that you elect but refuse theretirement plan they mandate for you)keep stealing the soocail security money and leave an iou in its place if a private sector company ran its retirement fund the way the fed govt runs theirs they would be up on charges True on social security... but the took out the money for what? Medicaid and Medicare. If you look at the last public accountant records for the programs (which are available) they should be so far down the tube that nobody would get anything from them! But there are these big mystery funds that show up to save the day (in the same amount as those social security iou's... odd.) the money they took from ss went into the general fund to pay for anything that came out of the general fund check your budget reports social security till recently was always in the black |
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I feel sorry for Bush. I think he just was undereducated for the position,, was permitted to take on too much, with FAR too much ego and far too little EDUCATION or COMMON SENSE to back it up... I think things will work out fine, either way it goes,, but (as I have said a million times now) I am really HOPING this goes all the way through without some crazy physical altercations like what happened when 'states rights' were argued in the case of slavery. Undereducated? Really? Lets look at his education and accomplishments. Prep School in Houston Graduated High School from the Phillips Accademy (One of the top schools in the nation) BA from Yale (One of the top schools in the world) President of the DKE Fraternity Member of the Skull and Bones Society (The top secret society in the nation, not to mention the hardest to get in. The basis of the movies the Skulls 1 through 3) MBA from Harvard (The only President in history to have earned an MBA) Commissioned Officer and Pilot in the Air Force Reserve So in reality President Bush is one of the most educated President we have ever had, his education and accomplishments runs circles around the "Chosen One" that's in office now. Bush had the best credentials money could buy, that didn't make him smart, but it did make him a drunk! |
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Yes, it went to the general fund. From there the SAME amount of money goes away, and appears in medicare and medicaid. It's too exacting to be a coincidence!
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Yes, it went to the general fund. From there the SAME amount of money goes away, and appears in medicare and medicaid. It's too exacting to be a coincidence! could you show your stats proving this plz |
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Bush had the best credentials money could buy, that didn't make him smart, but it did make him a drunk! 
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National Debt Graph: Bush Goes for WWII Stimulus  Note the run-up in debt starting in 1942. That's equivalent to $10 trillion today. That pulled the economy out of the great depression and into high gear to win World War II. How We Get Out of the Great Depression II By Steven Stoft, March 2, 2009 Here we go again: Hoover got us in, and WWII got us out. Bush got us in, and to his credit, started trying to get us out. Though, mostly he threw money at bankers. In the Great Depression, Roosevelt tried deficit spending, but he was too timid. Then he stopped in 1937 and the economy nose-dived. It took the humongous deficits of WWII to pull us out of the Great Depression. Those deficits blasted the economy from depression into overdrive. Of course after the war, we had to pay off a huge national debt, but during that time, from 1946 to 1980, the economy was mainly quite prosperous. We hit a bad recession when Reagan took office, and his early deficit spending made sense (though he didn't know it). But then he continued to drive up the debt through the boom years that followed. That didn't make any sense. We are now headed into the worst slump since 1938, and you better hope Obama can fix it because that was not a pretty time. Unfortunately, as in the Great Depression, the extreme conservatives would rather trash the country than have our government succeed. They are much worse than Bush. The main thing to remember is that, with consumer spending going down, business is going to lay people off—not hire them. You can't blame business for this. It's just a vicious cycle that the economy gets into. And you can't blame consumers for not spending in bad times. The only way out of this, if we don't want to wait 10 years, is for the government to spend, pay unemployment insurance, or give tax breaks to people who will spend (not the rich). Of course there's also the problem of the banks. Obama should stop saving the bankers, and just take over the bad banks. Once they're working they can be sold back to the private sector. http://zfacts.com/p/318.html |
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/03/22/newt-gingrich-health-care-obama-pelosi-reid-stupak-jobs-vote-election/ This. I support the fight against the health care reform, I do. We are twisting ourselves into a Socialist government that defies the very reason our country was founded...but find a more credible source than Fox. Their journalism department is ran by monkeys with too much time on their hands. Instead, let's write personal thoughts? Maybe strike a more personal nerve with fellow readers? We can't very well do this with a news organization that has failed numerous times to point out facts in a non-bias method and is financed by the right-wing. What we have with this health care reform bill is the verge of a Socialist government, remember Democracy? Well, now we say bye to it. This is just one step of, and I can only assume, many more to come. First we had the Patriot Act, yes, yes this is where we lost our freedom...and now we have the health care bill, say 'goodbye freedom!' I really did use to love my country, I did, even moreso than most might know, but I did. We used to be a beacon of freedom for everyone, a place people aspired to come and lay down a foundation for their future...that's right! We used to be that and now we are crippled. It can really be traced back all the way to the early 70's, I like to call it 'the beginning of the end.' Around this time the government started enacting laws to control the population, drug laws. This continued well into the 80's with the Tax Reform Act in 1986, effectively killing real estate values, this continued well into the 90's. In the early to mid 90's we began to see curfew laws enacted in certain areas of our country, which meant if you were under a certain age you had to be inside at a certain time of night...well, if you were under 18, you were less of an American citizen, no? As well in the 90's we saw a great rise in murder, specifically in Oakland with the coming of the crack-cocaine epidemic. With this string of murders we began to see numerous gun control laws enacted, with of course, our personal interest in mind, right? Well, really this could have been completly avoided if we didn't have a fluke of an agency called the DEA mucking things up with the drugs. The crac-cocaine epidemic spawned out of the Miami cocaine epidemic ran by Griselda Blanco, which was, by all accounts, an epidemic...right? Where does this all come together? Population control under the guise of personal interest, the murder rate in Oakland in the early and mid 90's could have been avoided with a better drug law put into effect and less governing from only one agency (DEA). The drug laws really set in motion a cataclysm of events that have lead to where we are now, you give people control and they want more, an unfortunate aspect of human nature. Now at the turn of the century (2000), we were already being pretty well controlled, weren't we? I mean we had gun laws, we had drug laws, we even had social laws. Well, now we are on a roll. So comes the turn of the century and then President Bush, with that came the September 11th attacks and the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, respectively. We started the push into Afghanistan, which was to be assumed since the plotter of the September 11th attacks was taking refuge in the country. After about a year or two we then moved into Iraq, for reasons we can only theorize (I won't get into this). So what does this all mean? Well, in simple terms: Big government started taking over little government at the turn of the 70's and continued like a steed on steroids well into where we are now. And, to top it off, we allowed it. Blindly following assumed statistics of the 70's and the assumption that we needed the Federal Government to watch over us in the 80's, 90's, and 00's. We built this road with loads of anti-this/that movements in the 90's, anti-gun, anti-drug...anti-freedom. We killed the only thing this country was worth, we destroyed the very foundation on which this great country was founded...we collapsed an ideal that even when it was thought of...was known to eventually be taken advantage of. We did this to ourselves, and only we can turn it around. So...write your senator, congressman/woman, and your respective state. Voice your opinion, whether it be in favor or against, speak. Freedom means nothing if we don't use it, and speech is just a word with a simple definition without a very sound intent behind it. 1970's-Recession. 1973-The DEA was founded. 1980-Reagan is elected, and leads the attack against Communism. 1980's-Reagan accelerates the war on drugs. 1986-Tax Reform Act, Immigration Reform Act. 1990-$220 billion dollar deficit. 1991-United States launches first attack on Iraq. 1993-Oakland's murder rate rises to 40.8 per 100,000. 1994-Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act put into effect by Clinton. 1996-Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act is enacted. 2001-September 11th and subsequent war in Afghanistan. 2001-The Patriot Act is enacted. 2003-War begins in Iraq, and ends. 2004-Violence surges in Iraq and still continues today. 2005-Hurricane Katrina and subsequent failure to deal with the situation. thought i would bring it p for those not wanting tolook for it fact is tho it started around the same time as WWI and the establishment of the federal reserve board and yes granddaddy bush was on the first fed reserve board just a point to ponder I marked the 70's because that is where I think it really started gaining steam. The 60's even, but later on around '69 or so. No doubt it hit early during WWI, but it didn't pick up steam until about 1970. |
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I feel sorry for Bush. I think he just was undereducated for the position,, was permitted to take on too much, with FAR too much ego and far too little EDUCATION or COMMON SENSE to back it up... I think things will work out fine, either way it goes,, but (as I have said a million times now) I am really HOPING this goes all the way through without some crazy physical altercations like what happened when 'states rights' were argued in the case of slavery. Undereducated? Really? Lets look at his education and accomplishments. Prep School in Houston Graduated High School from the Phillips Accademy (One of the top schools in the nation) BA from Yale (One of the top schools in the world) President of the DKE Fraternity Member of the Skull and Bones Society (The top secret society in the nation, not to mention the hardest to get in. The basis of the movies the Skulls 1 through 3) MBA from Harvard (The only President in history to have earned an MBA) Commissioned Officer and Pilot in the Air Force Reserve So in reality President Bush is one of the most educated President we have ever had, his education and accomplishments runs circles around the "Chosen One" that's in office now. well,, fraternities, military service and secret societies aside, since I am not sure what that has to do with being educated... A masters in business administration with a solid C average from someone whos first KNOWN job was at 33 years old and who was not successful in ONE business venture he attempted,,,is not quite so impressive to me.... ITs a bit more impressive, to me , to accomplish graduating the top of your class in a subject like law,, let alone Constitutional law...it is much more impressive to have worked since the age of fourteen,, for both profit and NOT FOR PROFIT businesses,,,but thats just my assessment and I realize everyone is IMPRESSED by different things Ok, his actual grades have not been released, only unofficial versions. Societies and Fraternaties have a lot to do with it. To be selected to enter the Skull and Bones Society you have to be in the top of your class. It is also something you don't apply for, your selected(and you don't know about your selection until your tapped). So it has a lot to do with it. I would also rather have someone with a BA and MBA running the country because free enterprise and business is what makes America what it is along with the freedoms and Liberties we have. there are actually several sites with his school records posted,,he was not an outstanding academic student. I dont know if s & b or any fraternity really require a specific outstanding gpa, but rather school activities ( Bush was in sports, many jocks also join frats) and networking (Bush was the son of a prior frat brother, as are many frat members generational). I would rather have someone who showed INTELLIGENCE and a hard work ethic run the country, even if they were a HS Grad... but Bush didnt seem to display those characteristics,, during his campaign or any time in his life that I had heard of. |
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This bill will stand the test of Constitutional analysis. You are not mandated to buy health insurance, you will merely pay a excise tax for not doing so.
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This bill will stand the test of Constitutional analysis. You are not mandated to buy health insurance, you will merely pay a excise tax for not doing so. Facts do not matter Winx...it used to be that it took 3 times on a lie for them to believe it...now it's one. That's how desperate the haters have become to oppose any progress in digging us out of the hole they helped us into. The GOP are falling apart, the lawsuits have no basis and are just more an attempt to rally the dwindling leftover base. The GOP need 113 seats to obtain a filibuster proof majority in the house....laughable that they think they can gain even a dozen in November...they may lose seats. I predict the GOP and their T-bagging hitmen to fade away as fast as the Edsel...they matter less and less every day. Maybe they can move with Limbaugh to Costa Rica...  |
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This bill will stand the test of Constitutional analysis. You are not mandated to buy health insurance, you will merely pay a excise tax for not doing so. Facts do not matter Winx...it used to be that it took 3 times on a lie for them to believe it...now it's one. That's how desperate the haters have become to oppose any progress in digging us out of the hole they helped us into. The GOP are falling apart, the lawsuits have no basis and are just more an attempt to rally the dwindling leftover base. The GOP need 113 seats to obtain a filibuster proof majority in the house....laughable that they think they can gain even a dozen in November...they may lose seats. I predict the GOP and their T-bagging hitmen to fade away as fast as the Edsel...they matter less and less every day. Maybe they can move with Limbaugh to Costa Rica... anything can happen, what is on our side though is time,,,,and the tendency for americans to be impulsive and loose interest quickly..... Its a good chance that by the time any progress happens on the opposition in the courts,,,that those parts of the bill that already happened will have gained much more support and the idea of suddenly DROPPING all of those and starting over will seem kind of ridiculous not to mention that the shoe will be on the other foot with the amount of time SPENT to oppose the bill taking away from other IMPORTANT issues that need to be addressed,,,now those in support of the bill can say,,, What are you doing about the jobs and the economy and education and security while you waste all this time opposing a bill?...... not that I would ever say that because I think its a silly assumption to make that because one issue is in the news its the only issue politicians are working on,,,,but whats good for the goose,,, |
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I feel sorry for Bush. I think he just was undereducated for the position,, was permitted to take on too much, with FAR too much ego and far too little EDUCATION or COMMON SENSE to back it up... I think things will work out fine, either way it goes,, but (as I have said a million times now) I am really HOPING this goes all the way through without some crazy physical altercations like what happened when 'states rights' were argued in the case of slavery. Undereducated? Really? Lets look at his education and accomplishments. Prep School in Houston Graduated High School from the Phillips Accademy (One of the top schools in the nation) BA from Yale (One of the top schools in the world) President of the DKE Fraternity Member of the Skull and Bones Society (The top secret society in the nation, not to mention the hardest to get in. The basis of the movies the Skulls 1 through 3) MBA from Harvard (The only President in history to have earned an MBA) Commissioned Officer and Pilot in the Air Force Reserve So in reality President Bush is one of the most educated President we have ever had, his education and accomplishments runs circles around the "Chosen One" that's in office now. Bush had the best credentials money could buy, that didn't make him smart, but it did make him a drunk! I am glad you can make fun of someone over an illness.  I thought you Libbos were supposed to be so compassionate. Acholism is a disease, a disease that he got help for. But still you people attack him for it. It's pretty sad that people are so classless. I supposed youd make the same comments about a drug addict that got help? Your pathetic. |
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Bush had the best credentials money could buy, that didn't make him smart, but it did make him a drunk! The above comment is directed at you also. |
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I feel sorry for Bush. I think he just was undereducated for the position,, was permitted to take on too much, with FAR too much ego and far too little EDUCATION or COMMON SENSE to back it up... I think things will work out fine, either way it goes,, but (as I have said a million times now) I am really HOPING this goes all the way through without some crazy physical altercations like what happened when 'states rights' were argued in the case of slavery. Undereducated? Really? Lets look at his education and accomplishments. Prep School in Houston Graduated High School from the Phillips Accademy (One of the top schools in the nation) BA from Yale (One of the top schools in the world) President of the DKE Fraternity Member of the Skull and Bones Society (The top secret society in the nation, not to mention the hardest to get in. The basis of the movies the Skulls 1 through 3) MBA from Harvard (The only President in history to have earned an MBA) Commissioned Officer and Pilot in the Air Force Reserve So in reality President Bush is one of the most educated President we have ever had, his education and accomplishments runs circles around the "Chosen One" that's in office now. Bush had the best credentials money could buy, that didn't make him smart, but it did make him a drunk! I am glad you can make fun of someone over an illness. I thought you Libbos were supposed to be so compassionate. Acholism is a disease, a disease that he got help for. But still you people attack him for it. It's pretty sad that people are so classless. I supposed youd make the same comments about a drug addict that got help? Your pathetic. That's a pathetic lie, the Dippic was a dry alcoholic until he started drinking again in late 2004..he never seeked help for his addiction, he never went through the steps. |
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I feel sorry for Bush. I think he just was undereducated for the position,, was permitted to take on too much, with FAR too much ego and far too little EDUCATION or COMMON SENSE to back it up... I think things will work out fine, either way it goes,, but (as I have said a million times now) I am really HOPING this goes all the way through without some crazy physical altercations like what happened when 'states rights' were argued in the case of slavery. Undereducated? Really? Lets look at his education and accomplishments. Prep School in Houston Graduated High School from the Phillips Accademy (One of the top schools in the nation) BA from Yale (One of the top schools in the world) President of the DKE Fraternity Member of the Skull and Bones Society (The top secret society in the nation, not to mention the hardest to get in. The basis of the movies the Skulls 1 through 3) MBA from Harvard (The only President in history to have earned an MBA) Commissioned Officer and Pilot in the Air Force Reserve So in reality President Bush is one of the most educated President we have ever had, his education and accomplishments runs circles around the "Chosen One" that's in office now. Bush had the best credentials money could buy, that didn't make him smart, but it did make him a drunk! I am glad you can make fun of someone over an illness. I thought you Libbos were supposed to be so compassionate. Acholism is a disease, a disease that he got help for. But still you people attack him for it. It's pretty sad that people are so classless. I supposed youd make the same comments about a drug addict that got help? Your pathetic. That's a pathetic lie, the Dippic was a dry alcoholic until he started drinking again in late 2004..he never seeked help for his addiction, he never went through the steps. Now that is a lie. You have no credibilty left anymore. President Bush did seek help and treatment and has been sober since the 80's. Just keep on spreading your lies and personal attacks based on things that people post on the KOS or MOVEON |
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I dont really by into the whole alcohol addiction theories most times, and I really dont buy it about Bush,, but it is in his past. My issue with him was nothing personal or moral, I just sincerelye believe that given how much of an ADVANTAGE his life afforded him and the opportunities his education and family afforded him,, he falls VERY short of the bar one would expect.
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The American people will not allow a corrupt machine to dictate their future. Do you mean like the previous administration? Please do some reading and stop acting as if the people who used to run the government had your or my best interest in mind. The corruption in the Bush administration was unprecedented. From Halliburton to Carlyle to the C.I.A. these criminals systematically stole billions, if not trillions from the National Treasury. Since you brought it up, yes the people did speak decisively...that is why Obama got elected or did you forget the fact that this was part of the platform he ran on. This is why he was elected. He promised this and now he is trying to deliver on that promise. If Bush wasn’t so focused on raping the country perhaps he would have had some time to address this issue over the eight years he was in office. Aside from the fact that you have seen people on Fox News say it, what part of the executive order is unconstitutional? What it does is reaffirm restrictions on federal funding of abortion. The bill that was passed (by a legal vote) already said this. |
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The American people will not allow a corrupt machine to dictate their future. Do you mean like the previous administration? Please do some reading and stop acting as if the people who used to run the government had your or my best interest in mind. The corruption in the Bush administration was unprecedented. From Halliburton to Carlyle to the C.I.A. these criminals systematically stole billions, if not trillions from the National Treasury. Since you brought it up, yes the people did speak decisively...that is why Obama got elected or did you forget the fact that this was part of the platform he ran on. This is why he was elected. He promised this and now he is trying to deliver on that promise. If Bush wasn’t so focused on raping the country perhaps he would have had some time to address this issue over the eight years he was in office. Aside from the fact that you have seen people on Fox News say it, what part of the executive order is unconstitutional? What it does is reaffirm restrictions on federal funding of abortion. The bill that was passed (by a legal vote) already said this. It is unconstitutional because it forces you to buy something and penalizes you if you don't. THAT right there is unconstitutional PERIOD. On those grounds it will be thrown out by the Conservatively held Supreme Court. The only thing President Bush did was protect this country because of an act of war(Which hasn't happened on or main lad in over a hundred years. Extreme measures for extreme circumstances. If it were me those terrorist bastards would never have made it from the black sites to g-bay. |
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