True, our founding Fathers set up the Constitution to prevent the government from taking over.......

You have to do more than just read the Constitution, you have to go back to the beginning and study the history of what was taking place and why the decisions were made which constitute our Constitution.

Our founding Fathers wanted to prevent another King from taking over the country, that is why they left England! The main reason for the second amendment concerning right to bear arms.......

Those very reasons and values that instilled and created our Constitution STILL STAND TRUE TODAY......

IF obama had his way we would be headed towards socialism and marxism......look at his past and the people he associated with and even appointed to his cabinet and his czars........obama has had so many of his appointees resign because their past was revealed and there was public outcry over his appointees....

One would think that obama would be smart enough to realize that the past would be revealed.....why he thought the citizens of the USA would just let him do as he pleased and not do any vetting of their own is totally beyond my comprehension.....

obama's arrogance is going to turn around and kick him you know where, and it already has begun to....only he is so arrogant that he refuses to even care what the citizens of the USA want......

And YES, the fool does think he knows what is best for us.....and that we do not know what is best for us..........such stupidity will eventually lead to his downfall...........the SOONER THE BETTER for the people of the USA!

Anything and everything the Repulsivans do is to block HC reform. I posted their plan...it's not viable....never was intended to be, it was just a stall tactic and the GOP remain in the way of recovering from 8 bad years of Dippical droppings.

All I hear are parrots...no substance and no resolve. SSDD with these guys and their FOX tainted brainless BS.

I would submit the reality that MOST americans dont understand the political process nor the roles of government. Just like I wouldnt expect to tell a doctor what to do for me, I can only tell him what is wrong and he must decide based upon his experience and knowledge how to help me with it.

As a constitutional lawyer, I am sure he has a bit better idea of what things are politically viable than the average jill and joe does.

The president isnt merely a spokesmodel for the opinions of Americans, he also is expected to have a BIT more knowledge about government policy and process which means that after he hears our concerns, yes, he needs to make decisions about what should be done for those concerns and I certainly PRAY that decision is based on what he thinks is best for US, himself and his loved ones included.

I'll let the Mobfather sum this arguement / debate up...like only he can...from yesterdays show...

"It really is time for Republicans to stand for the people who are paying for all of this, and that's us. Government is not supposed to be about redistribution and subsidies and payouts and bribes and kickbacks to union people. It is supposed to be about promoting a healthy society and freedom for the individual within an ordered system called the Constitution."

"The president isnt merely a spokesmodel for the opinions of Americans, he also is expected to have a BIT more knowledge about government policy and process which means that after he hears our concerns, yes, he needs to make decisions about what should be done for those concerns and I certainly PRAY that decision is based on what he thinks is best for US, himself and his loved ones included."


This current president is no spokes model for anything....especially the opinions of the citizens of the USA.....he had closed ears, closed mind and cannot see past his nose......just because he is an alleged attorney who practiced, supposedly, constitutional law, does NOT make him qualified or competent and correct and precise in that area of law......I speak from experience of 22 years as a legal secretary, familiar with the Federal Court system.....I know a B.S'er when I see one....and that obama certainly is............

obama does not have a clue what is best for the USA citizens......he only knows what his political agenda is and what he must do to accomplish it.....and so far his 'plans' have been met with extreme disagreement and repulsiveness by the USA citizens......only obama refuses to listen.....his arrogance is waiving all over the USA, unlike our beloved flag that waives proclaiming the freedom that this great country stands for.......THE REPUBLIC for which it stands.............

This current president is no spokes model for anything....especially the opinions of the citizens of the USA.....he had closed ears, closed mind and cannot see past his nose......just because he is an alleged attorney who practiced, supposedly, constitutional law, does NOT make him qualified or competent and correct and precise in that area of law......I speak from experience of 22 years as a legal secretary, familiar with the Federal Court system.....I know a B.S'er when I see one....and that obama certainly is............

obama does not have a clue what is best for the USA citizens......he only knows what his political agenda is and what he must do to accomplish it.....and so far his 'plans' have been met with extreme disagreement and repulsiveness by the USA citizens......only obama refuses to listen.....his arrogance is waiving all over the USA, unlike our beloved flag that waives proclaiming the freedom that this great country stands for.......THE REPUBLIC for which it stands.............


I am not gonna compare a constitutional lawyers qualifications for presidency to the knowledge of a legal secretary, because that was far from my point. My point was that the AVERAGE american doesnt politically understand what things can and cannot be done within the government anymore than the average medical patient knows how to heal thyself. So in the end, when decisions MUST be made(which is part of a presidents role),,then YES, I pray that president is making decision based upon what he thinks is BEST for the nation.

As far as the rest, its all perspective I guess. What you see as arrogance, I see as intelligence and confidence, I dont see this extreme repulsiveness by the majority of people, but expect it from some as its impossible to please every single one of the two hundred million plus adults in this or any other country. I could meet your legal secretary opinion of him being a bullshitter with opinions of LAWYERS who dont see him as one...thats all subjective.

In the end though, AFTER he is out of office, is the time when what he has or hasnt accomplished will become clear and I am sure (like any other president) there will be plenty of things on both lists for supporters and haters to cling to.

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Well....pray tell, please advise where you get your statistics to prove and substantiate your personal statement and opinion that MOST Americans do not understand the political process nor the roles of the government? If you made yourself open and willing to seek out the information provided via news media - which reports on the people all over the USA, not just one local community....I am confident, based on how you express yourself, you would be totally shocked as to just HOW MUCH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO, AND I MEAN DO, UNDERSTAND......I, personally, do not feel you have the expertise, qualifications or right to demean the American people by stating, without fact, what they know or do not know, understand or do not understand....anything....

Unless you are privy to lawyers whom, as you claim, do not view obama as a B.S.er, your statement about this issue is null and void.....it appears to me that you have a tendency to form opinions based on your own self-imposed opinion and desire for facts to be the way you desire them to be, as opposed to the literal fact and truth. obama has reneged on so many issues that he campaigned on, transparency, for one MAJOR issue, thus lending him to be one who cannot be trusted, he is not a man of his word, thus.......the adjective of B.S.er comes into play.....double talk, whatever adjective one chooses to use to describe obama's most negative trait.


If you do not see the repulsiveness, then again, I must draw to a conclusion that you do not keep apprised, via any news media, as to how the American people truly feel........

I do not see why you refer to the word 'haters', perhaps that is in your attitude towards those of whom you have opposite opinions, but myself, and the people I associate with and listen to across the USA via various news media, the word 'hate' is not in their or my vocabulary concerning difference of opinion and agenda ...... dislike, disapproval, dismay, but NOT, unlike you, the word hate.......

It is a lack of intellect, common sense, and maturity to want to wait until obama is out of office to see what obama has, has not and will not accomplished. It is laid right before our very eyes........this very minute.....for all to see.......putting off accomplishes nothing......he must be judged and opinions formed on his attributes and contributions and accomplishments NOW, every day that he is in office......NOT LET IT GO TILL HE IS OUT.....and too late for the American people to do anything to counteract obamas grievous errors.......

republicans are cowards . and thats on a good day . I don't always support all things the demos come up with actually not many things but at least when they post here they don't exclude most of the country . and I have heard republicans saying we should refuse to allow people to vote . all the repub's want is to pig out on the country's purse .

Not.

The last time that I looked, he was the President of the United States.

Btw, it's called a recession.

Good point.

If the country is going into the toilet, I hardly think it is the fault of the Republican Conservatives, after all, the democrats are in control and obama is, presumably, the president, although his actions to date, make that a very questionable matter.

Hmmm......I do not consider myself to be a coward....why do you say that......I do believe it is the democrats who have this country's deficit into the trillions of dollars..........at the expense of the USA citizens..............and I do believe your statement about refusing to allow people to vote is a total fabrication.............

Why do people say such things, filled with hatred towards people they do not even know......why cannot intelligent conversations be had instead of all the hate and fabrications............

This guy is just using talking points from Moveon org.

This current president is no spokes model for anything....especially the opinions of the citizens of the USA.....he had closed ears, closed mind and cannot see past his nose......just because he is an alleged attorney who practiced, supposedly, constitutional law, does NOT make him qualified or competent and correct and precise in that area of law......I speak from experience of 22 years as a legal secretary, familiar with the Federal Court system.....I know a B.S'er when I see one....and that obama certainly is............

obama does not have a clue what is best for the USA citizens......he only knows what his political agenda is and what he must do to accomplish it.....and so far his 'plans' have been met with extreme disagreement and repulsiveness by the USA citizens......only obama refuses to listen.....his arrogance is waiving all over the USA, unlike our beloved flag that waives proclaiming the freedom that this great country stands for.......THE REPUBLIC for which it stands.............


There's no arguing that. Obama and the Democrat's managed to lose a major election in one of the most liberal states in the nation to a political unknown. Hell they lost a seat that belonged to a Kennedy for decades. That has got to tell them somehthing and if ANYONE wants to argue that they are dilusional.

Not to mention Obama's close ties to a very dangerous communist and domestic terrorist.

Sigh,,, well

1. Hater is a contemporary slang word for people who put down others,,, Is 'repulsive' also a slang word?

2. From website http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/pew_political_iq_poll_republic.asp

'You likely won't see this poll result elsewhere, so I thought I'd highlight it here. This is a Pew Political IQ test conducted over the phone with 1,002 adults from Oct. 1-4. They were asked 12 questions, and answered an average of 5.3 questions correctly, according to Pew.'

I am sure if you googled American Political IQ, you could find many more. The truth is not putting down, I didnt judge people for not knowing about politics, I just stated that on average americans are not well knowledgable about the processes and procedures. Just as geography is , on average, not a topic americans are widely educated about.

3. I can assure you I have no lack of intellect, common sense, or intelligence although I could have been more specific when stating that we should wait till OBamas completed presidency to decide what he has or hasnt accomplished. Of course, common sense dictates, that we can always decide what people have or have not accomplished up to the present time. My point was about what he achieves or does not achieve as PRESIDENT, not just his first year or two, but the whole time he is serving his role.

4.I actually AM privvy to lawyers who dont find OBama to be a bullshitter, but rather that has bearing on what you consider to be valid is another issue.

5. Literal fact and truth are quite different from personal opinion.

How Obamas (full) presidency impacts America is yet to be seen. I feel he is doing the best with what he has and will reserve further judgment until his job has run its course.

Oh like Bin Laden or Hussein? No? you mean the COLLEGE PROFESSOR who made threats in his college years ?,,,,,,VERY DANGEROUS INDEED

1. "Hater is a contemporary slang word for people who put down others,,, Is 'repulsive' also a slang word?" ............ If you do not know that get out a dictionary and look up the word repulsive.

Oh, Dear God, hater and repulsive are both adjectives ..... And again, the use of the word hate is totally out of order for describing people who merely dislike, disagree or feel dismay over another's opinions, agenda, policies.......

2. I, and I am confident that the rest of the population of the USA, could not possibly care less about your Pew poll. Whatever it is supposed to be. I do highly question the credibility of this "Pew" poll and "American Political IQ" As 1,002 adults is a far cry from a representation of the total population of the USA citizens. And, again, you go making a declaratory statement, this time declaring that Americans are not knowledgeable about geography....

3. It is of extreme importance that the American citizens make daily observations and decisions about obama and the current Administration's actions, accomplishments and/or lack thereof. To not do so is total negligence and a maintainment of a reckless attitude in keeping thoroughly apprised of what is and is not taking place in this administration's actions, agenda and policies. Our welfare and security of ourselves and future generations are at stake in this issue.

4. I do question if you actually do have privy to an adequate number of attorneys who do not consider obama a B.S.er...... as you made no reference to who these individuals are and/or where they are located and the type of law they practice, the courts they are licensed to practice law in and their political party and stand on relevant issues that are of the utmost concern of the American citizen. Thus, again, I state that after 22 years as a legal secretary experienced in local, state, Federal, appellate courts, and high contact and observance of attorneys practicing in said courts, I can rightfully state that obama is a B.S.er.....he says he will do one thing and turns around and does another [please refer to my statement about his so-called 'transparency' policy which never took place]....never intending on doing what he originally stated he would do.

5. How obama's agenda as acting [for lack of a better word] president can be seen EVERY day. No need to wait till he is out of office to see how he is IMPACTING the USA. The economy is spiraling downward rapidly, unemployment 10%, the USA has trillions of dollars in deficit, of which China owns the great majority of the USA debt, the people of the USA are screaming to STOP SPENDING OBAMA.......!! He has spent his entire first year in office on the health care issue..... NOTHING on the economy and unemployment, the job situation......and still has accomplished NOTHING........

So, he is doing the best he can with what he has? Whatever "what he has" means. If his best is running the economy and job situation to ruin.....I hardly consider that "the best"......
I AM SCARED TO DEATH TO SEE WHAT HIS 'FULL' TERM WILL BRING ABOUT.

lol, I KNOW that repulsive is an adjective and that hater is a noun...its called SATIRE,. My point was my use of the term hater is no more or less questionable or demeaning than your use of the term repulsiveness.

perhaps your 'declaratory statement' that most do not care about polls (or written work in general, I guess) is true but in YOUR previous post you asked for some statistics or substantiation of my 'declaratory statement' regarding the state of political education in the US, which is what I gave.

I agree we need to be alert about what politicians are doing, but we cant adequately assess their overall progress before their terms are up anymore than we can assess what GPA a student will have their senior year while they are still in their freshman year.

As previously stated
'I actually AM privvy to lawyers who dont find OBama to be a bullshitter, but rather that has bearing on what you consider to be valid is another issue' I am attesting to the fact that I am privvy to lawyers who disagree with you which was your original question. For me to now answer how many , tell their names, where they work, in what field, their social security numbers,,etc,,, would do little to further the conversation or encourage any type of relevant debate.

Finally, I do observe OBama and from where I sit he has been a part of much progress. Here in Las Vegas, he stopped waste from being dumped in our backyard. He has been a part of the process to stop credit card companies from RIPPING us off. HE has been a part of the process which has greatly reduced the rate of foreclosures we have on homes here. He has been a part of expanding unemployment benefits.
Job loss has decreased nearly exponentially. He was part of the progress that helped our country avoid another potential depression..

I could go on and on about the progress I see him making, but in the end, its about how he fits my personal priorities. Like with any relationship, if someone isnt meeting those needs most important to us, we generally want to cut them loose. I expected him to tackle healthcare after stabilizing the economy. I didnt expect he would have so much opposition, but I did expect that he would see it through however long it took, which is what I believe he is doing. My priority is health, because without it, there is no job, and therefore no home, no food,,etc,,,, I am pleased he made it such a priority. He is more than living up to what was important to me so I am still pleased with his leadership. I respect that others who may have different personal priorities than me, priorities that have yet to be met,, will feel differently. Thats life, but its also subjective, personal, opinion.