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hahahahaha someone said the police r what? um u better hide cause they will be looking 4 u next.  They can look all they want, and I'll be ready for them. As long as racism, semitism, partisan politics exists in this country, I DO NOT nor will I ever like or trust the police. I have seen and witnessed too many failings on their part to change my opinion of them. I invoke my 1st ammendment right, and I am protected by the 2nd, 4th, and 5th. If they trod on that, they're goin' down in court. And I have a world champion private attorney, not a public defender. So people can whine and moan all they want about Obama, and Congress, and healthcare, stimulus, etc. but the bigger fight is against the judicial system, the courts and cops. |
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CatsLoveMe,
You are missing my point completely. You are only looking to blame the cops. I have repeatedly said the cops could be at fault, but they could have been doing their jobs too. Without the facts, I'm not going to assume |
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exactly how did u get your experience with the police, and what drove u to get a world champion private attorney?
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exactly how did u get your experience with the police, and what drove u to get a world champion private attorney? I can't really go into that, but trust me, this attorney has an incredible track record and he fights everything from a speeding ticket to 1st degree homicide. He's got 25 years of experience and he's known by most in Colorado in the court system. He's also been recognized by the Federal Supreme Court. Maybe I exaggerated when I said he was world-champion, but he should be, he's that good. He's inspired me to take a closer look at the law, justice, and the Constitution. And let me just say, I am pleased that this topic interests at least a few on here. I get so tired about arguing partisan politics, it is refreshing to discuss something different on here. I was also very passionate about the Jordan Miles case vs. the Pittsburgh police. I want to see true justice, not what the police want you to see, and not what the MSM wants you to see. Gather all of the facts you can that are available to you, and formulate an opinion. |
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exactly how did u get your experience with the police, and what drove u to get a world champion private attorney? I can't really go into that, but trust me, this attorney has an incredible track record and he fights everything from a speeding ticket to 1st degree homicide. He's got 25 years of experience and he's known by most in Colorado in the court system. He's also been recognized by the Federal Supreme Court. Maybe I exaggerated when I said he was world-champion, but he should be, he's that good. He's inspired me to take a closer look at the law, justice, and the Constitution. And let me just say, I am pleased that this topic interests at least a few on here. I get so tired about arguing partisan politics, it is refreshing to discuss something different on here. I was also very passionate about the Jordan Miles case vs. the Pittsburgh police. I want to see true justice, not what the police want you to see, and not what the MSM wants you to see. Gather all of the facts you can that are available to you, and formulate an opinion. I actually agree with this, which is why I posted my arguments, because not all of the facts are presented in this case to blame someone IMO. and I understand people that may have gone through this having a grudge or a bad taste in their mouths for the police, but my problem is that this makes it harder for the good cops to do their jobs. It's counter-productive. The media reports these things without all of the facts, because it sells. |
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If an innocent man or woman goes to jail, why wouldn't it sell? Police, yes, and the Courts, need to be held to a higher standard. We cannot afford any more of these unlawful arrests.
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Are you sure? Are you really sure? Are you absolutely convinced there is a reason to arrest this suspect and incarcerate them until trial? Do you have all the evidence you need to justify probable cause? Are you sure? You left nothing out and your investigation is complete, there are no questions or loose ends? Police need to think about the aftermath of when a case goes to trial instead of this "kill them all, let God sort them out approach." Okay that was a little extreme, but better judgment is called for here.
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If an innocent man or woman goes to jail, why wouldn't it sell? Police, yes, and the Courts, need to be held to a higher standard. We cannot afford any more of these unlawful arrests. But you are ASSUMING the cops were wrong. they aren't wrong if they were following the warrant given to them. The courts would be wrong. You don't know who is wrong. |
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Are you sure? Are you really sure? Are you absolutely convinced there is a reason to arrest this suspect and incarcerate them until trial? Do you have all the evidence you need to justify probable cause? Are you sure? You left nothing out and your investigation is complete, there are no questions or loose ends? Police need to think about the aftermath of when a case goes to trial instead of this "kill them all, let God sort them out approach." Okay that was a little extreme, but better judgment is called for here. Maybe you should ask yourself these questions before passing judgement on the police. Does your OP have all facts posted in it? NO it just has one side, and IMO your not giving the police a fair deal because YOU DON'T know ALL THE FACTS to the WHOLE story. |
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Should the cops and courts be held to a higher standard in the law??? yes. Does that mean perfection....NO.
It is unrealistic to expect humans to be perfect |
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Should the cops and courts be held to a higher standard in the law??? yes. Does that mean perfection....NO. It is unrealistic to expect humans to be perfect Perfection, no, a higher standard, yes. This is why the courts are flooded with dockets, and we have speedy trial issues, because many of these cases should never have gone to trial in the first place, much less innocent citizens being unlawfully arrested. Remember this part? "Fourhorn is now 36 and still living in the same Colorado home where police arrested her. She recently had her record expunged of the mistaken robbery and assault charges. The process took almost two years, even though she should have never even been arrested in the first place. The arrest almost cost her her nursing job, she said. She said her family won't get back $3,500 her husband borrowed to pay a bondsman to get her out of jail. When FourHorn sees a police car, she says she gets uneasy. She knows she shouldn't. But then again, she reasons: "If it happened once, it can happen again." |
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Should the cops and courts be held to a higher standard in the law??? yes. Does that mean perfection....NO. It is unrealistic to expect humans to be perfect Perfection, no, a higher standard, yes. This is why the courts are flooded with dockets, and we have speedy trial issues, because many of these cases should never have gone to trial in the first place, much less innocent citizens being unlawfully arrested. Remember this part? "Fourhorn is now 36 and still living in the same Colorado home where police arrested her. She recently had her record expunged of the mistaken robbery and assault charges. The process took almost two years, even though she should have never even been arrested in the first place. The arrest almost cost her her nursing job, she said. She said her family won't get back $3,500 her husband borrowed to pay a bondsman to get her out of jail. When FourHorn sees a police car, she says she gets uneasy. She knows she shouldn't. But then again, she reasons: "If it happened once, it can happen again." and you have never proven that the cops knew this and that it was there mistake. I don't agree that she shouldn't get her money back. I think she should and with compensation. But I won't blame the cops and assume things that aren't there. No, she shouldn't have been arrested because she was the wrong person....BUT HOW WERE THE COPS SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT? You have yet to prove that it was their mistake and not the mistake of OK or the courts. You seem to have it stuck in your head that the cops are always wrong and bad and that is a dangerous thought for cops who are trying to do their jobs, so people can feel safe. |
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Are you sure? Are you really sure? Are you absolutely convinced there is a reason to arrest this suspect and incarcerate them until trial? Do you have all the evidence you need to justify probable cause? Are you sure? You left nothing out and your investigation is complete, there are no questions or loose ends? Police need to think about the aftermath of when a case goes to trial instead of this "kill them all, let God sort them out approach." Okay that was a little extreme, but better judgment is called for here. Maybe you should ask yourself these questions before passing judgement on the police. Does your OP have all facts posted in it? NO it just has one side, and IMO your not giving the police a fair deal because YOU DON'T know ALL THE FACTS to the WHOLE story. Passing judgement on the police? Isn't that what they do to us? Spend a few days in jail, and get back to me on that one. I am under no obligation to like or trust the police, only to follow the law, and obey it. If I offer a negative view or opinion about police/court conduct, that's my opinion and I will offer it. You can either challenge me or agree with me. You can say there's good cops all you want, it doesn't change anything. The system is broken, and only legislation, and better judges and DA's will ammend this flaw. Police also need harsher punishment than just a slap on the wrist when they are found in error. Everyone in the justice system needs to be held accountable for their actions and their inactions. |
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You are right....you can generalize all of anything that you want. But I won't do that without the facts. And the facts don't prove one way or another.
You have it in your head to assume what you don't know and convict the cops without proof already, so there is no reason to debate the facts with you. |
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I am bowing out of this thread because I think I have ABUNDANTLY proved my point
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Should the cops and courts be held to a higher standard in the law??? yes. Does that mean perfection....NO. It is unrealistic to expect humans to be perfect Perfection, no, a higher standard, yes. This is why the courts are flooded with dockets, and we have speedy trial issues, because many of these cases should never have gone to trial in the first place, much less innocent citizens being unlawfully arrested. Remember this part? "Fourhorn is now 36 and still living in the same Colorado home where police arrested her. She recently had her record expunged of the mistaken robbery and assault charges. The process took almost two years, even though she should have never even been arrested in the first place. The arrest almost cost her her nursing job, she said. She said her family won't get back $3,500 her husband borrowed to pay a bondsman to get her out of jail. When FourHorn sees a police car, she says she gets uneasy. She knows she shouldn't. But then again, she reasons: "If it happened once, it can happen again." and you have never proven that the cops knew this and that it was there mistake. I don't agree that she shouldn't get her money back. I think she should and with compensation. But I won't blame the cops and assume things that aren't there. No, she shouldn't have been arrested because she was the wrong person....BUT HOW WERE THE COPS SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT? You have yet to prove that it was their mistake and not the mistake of OK or the courts. You seem to have it stuck in your head that the cops are always wrong and bad and that is a dangerous thought for cops who are trying to do their jobs, so people can feel safe. Okay, yellow, go back, and read it again. What did they have to go on? Christin Fourhorn, Christina FourHorn. Close enough! Arrest her! Excuse me! That's it? No description? No weight? No prints? No witnesses? No background check? Middle Name? No evidence of any sort? Just a name, that's similar but not identical? Surely, you can't be serious. |
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I am bowing out of this thread because I think I have ABUNDANTLY proved my point I appreciate your views on this matter, and that is why it's a thread, a discussion, or a debate. Everyone's views are weighed in, evaluated, and a comment is made that either contradicts or agrees with what the OP said. This therein makes a good discussion, and I value everyone's opinion, for or against. |
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again Cats....do you know what was on the warrant? Do you know what information OK gave? Do you know any of this? NO
IF the wrong information was on the warrant, then blame those that gave the wrong info. Don't assume it has to be the big bad evil cops. I can, at least, admit that YES the cops could have been at fault, but I can see a bigger picture because the facts aren't presented. That is my final say because you have already made up your mind that just because you have had a bad experience that all cops are wrong in everything they do. Not very realistic IMO |
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again Cats....do you know what was on the warrant? Do you know what information OK gave? Do you know any of this? NO IF the wrong information was on the warrant, then blame those that gave the wrong info. Don't assume it has to be the big bad evil cops. I can, at least, admit that YES the cops could have been at fault, but I can see a bigger picture because the facts aren't presented. That is my final say because you have already made up your mind that just because you have had a bad experience that all cops are wrong in everything they do. Not very realistic IMO Who's generalizing? Yes as an organization, I admit I have a bias against police. As particular individuals, I have met and done business with several outstanding police that are worthy and proudly wear the badge. There is a warrant, but then there is the means to carrying out or interpreting that warrant. And in this case, you have to see, or at least try to that either the judge was foolish or the police were. There, your choices are narrowed down to two. All cops are NOT wrong in everything they do, but when they do, we're going to bring it to light and hold them accountable. There will be another breaking news headline this week about the PD, so stay tuned. I do value your opinions today, and I thank you for sharing. |
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Okay, yellow, go back, and read it again. What did they have to go on? Christin Fourhorn, Christina FourHorn. Close enough! Arrest her! Excuse me! That's it? No description? No weight? No prints? No witnesses? No background check? Middle Name? No evidence of any sort? Just a name, that's similar but not identical? Surely, you can't be serious. Exactly. If the cops were 'doing their job properly' than this is even further evidence that the system is broken. What happened should not have happened, period. |
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