I didn't see anyone do that so what the hell are you talking about?

And the rest of us will be still trying to keep the planet as healthy as possible in the process.

If proven, why not provide evidence???????? Or do you mean the IPCC, Al Gore, and the rest of the BAD SCIENCE BRIGADE?

The proof is everywhere you look all you have to do is look for it.

Now the doom and gloom community, I am not referring to them. I am referring to the proof the planet is changing and the understandability of us being a part of the problem.

Our planet will go through stages of warmth and cooling, it always has. I just believe that we should be smart enough to know we are damaging to our world and we should be responsible enough to want to help it.

If you don't agree, whatever. There always has to be those who stick their heads in the sand when faced with big issues.

Ah. Well, I can accept that. Although I still happen to think that mother nature scoffs at the arrogance of puny man changing her world. However, I appreciate you thinking of where you live, and wanting it to be a good place.

But you see, you haven't realized that this whole idea of "stop the fumes and smog" and the "save the planet from the garbage" camp was hijacked by the carbon-tax agenda.

You still haven't realized it.

CO2 is a natural gas, required for life. These guys, when they talk about "capping" companies and various businesses has no intention of stopping the spread of poisonous gases or cleaning up the planet.

They are interested in taxing people to make a profit and do absolutely nothing about the environment. Carbon tax does not and will not clean up this planet.

If you'd want to clean up the planet from "carbon", start by killing everything everyone, since every living organism contains carbon and every oxygen breathing creature breaths out carbon dioxide.
Also, don't forget to put a carbon cap on the volcanoes as well, since a single eruption of let's say Mount Helens would put as much carbon dioxide into the air, as would all humans would do over 200 years by driving continuously their SUVs.


Tell me one single occasion, when Al Gore and his cronies ever mentioned of oil spilling in the oceans or having an alternative way of getting rid of the trash coming from plastic materials and nuclear waste.

Not once!

You are welcome to research this.

I think the matter here is too much of a good thing is bad, right?

What happens when there is too much carbon dioxide?

There is no such a thing as "too much carbon dioxide". Planet Earth balances itself out, just like it always did.

There was a time when the carbon dioxide was about 6 times the current levels, during the Cretaceous period, about 65.5 million years ago.

This was the the time period when the first mammals and birds appeared on planet Earth but dinosaurs were still present.

That still doesn't say that there cannot be too much carbon dioxide or what happens if there is.

Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995

By Jonathan Petre
Last updated at 5:12 PM on 14th February 2010


* Data for vital 'hockey stick graph' has gone missing
* There has been no global warming since 1995
* Warming periods have happened before - but NOT due to man-made changes

Professor Phil Jones

Data: Professor Phil Jones admitted his record keeping is 'not as good as it should be'

The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.

Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.

Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’.

The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.

Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.

The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made.

Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as director of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were manipulating data.

The raw data, collected from hundreds of weather stations around the world and analysed by his unit, has been used for years to bolster efforts by the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to press governments to cut carbon dioxide emissions.


Following the leak of the emails, Professor Jones has been accused of ‘scientific fraud’ for allegedly deliberately suppressing information and refusing to share vital data with critics.

Discussing the interview, the BBC’s environmental analyst Roger Harrabin said he had spoken to colleagues of Professor Jones who had told him that his strengths included integrity and doggedness but not record-keeping and office tidying.

Mr Harrabin, who conducted the interview for the BBC’s website, said the professor had been collating tens of thousands of pieces of data from around the world to produce a coherent record of temperature change.

That material has been used to produce the ‘hockey stick graph’ which is relatively flat for centuries before rising steeply in recent decades.

According to Mr Harrabin, colleagues of Professor Jones said ‘his office is piled high with paper, fragments from over the years, tens of thousands of pieces of paper, and they suspect what happened was he took in the raw data to a central database and then let the pieces of paper go because he never realised that 20 years later he would be held to account over them’.

Asked by Mr Harrabin about these issues, Professor Jones admitted the lack of organisation in the system had contributed to his reluctance to share data with critics, which he regretted.
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But he denied he had cheated over the data or unfairly influenced the scientific process, and said he still believed recent temperature rises were predominantly man-made.

Asked about whether he lost track of data, Professor Jones said: ‘There is some truth in that. We do have a trail of where the weather stations have come from but it’s probably not as good as it should be.

‘There’s a continual updating of the dataset. Keeping track of everything is difficult. Some countries will do lots of checking on their data then issue improved data, so it can be very difficult. We have improved but we have to improve more.’

He also agreed that there had been two periods which experienced similar warming, from 1910 to 1940 and from 1975 to 1998, but said these could be explained by natural phenomena whereas more recent warming could not.

He further admitted that in the last 15 years there had been no ‘statistically significant’ warming, although he argued this was a blip rather than the long-term trend.

And he said that the debate over whether the world could have been even warmer than now during the medieval period, when there is evidence of high temperatures in northern countries, was far from settled.

Sceptics believe there is strong evidence that the world was warmer between about 800 and 1300 AD than now because of evidence of high temperatures in northern countries.

But climate change advocates have dismissed this as false or only applying to the northern part of the world.

Professor Jones departed from this consensus when he said: ‘There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia.

‘For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions.

‘Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today, then obviously the late 20th Century warmth would not be unprecedented. On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but was less warm than today, then the current warmth would be unprecedented.’

Sceptics said this was the first time a senior scientist working with the IPCC had admitted to the possibility that the Medieval Warming Period could have been global, and therefore the world could have been hotter then than now.

Professor Jones criticised those who complained he had not shared his data with them, saying they could always collate their own from publicly available material in the US. And he said the climate had not cooled ‘until recently – and then barely at all. The trend is a warming trend’.

Mr Harrabin told Radio 4’s Today programme that, despite the controversies, there still appeared to be no fundamental flaws in the majority scientific view that climate change was largely man-made.

But Dr Benny Pieser, director of the sceptical Global Warming Policy Foundation, said Professor Jones’s ‘excuses’ for his failure to share data were hollow as he had shared it with colleagues and ‘mates’.

He said that until all the data was released, sceptics could not test it to see if it supported the conclusions claimed by climate change advocates.

He added that the professor’s concessions over medieval warming were ‘significant’ because they were his first public admission that the science was not settled.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html

anybody that actually thinks man is not contributing to climate change needs to go back to basic science class and study this time....its utterly idiotic not to think we affect/accelerate the natural climate process at all........
funamentals ....for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...the world IS small...and there is 6 billion + actions goin on every day...everything does produce natural waste or byproducts....but we as humans are the only species that does it on an unnatural scale...

Oh for cryin out loud.

I haven't seen many here say that man has NO effect.

Of course man has an effect on the environment.

The problem is in the " science " that exaggerates the LEVEL of our effect.

Just recently...one of the biggest things the IPCC based their findings on was found to have been a TYPO. Rather than having all the glaciers in the Himalayas melt by 2035 ( which was the original claim and a HUGE part of the basis for the IPCC claims ) it is, in fact 2350!!!!

315 YEARS worth of difference.

But yet, they still insist that we must take DRASTIC actions now, to the detriment of the global economy, when more gradual changes would be just as effective given the time lines involved.

The company I work for just installed ( 2 years ago ) a " scrubber " for CO2 that cost us 13 MILLION dollars. It reduced our CO2 output by 80%.

BUT....80% isn't enough for the GW hacks.

We are now being told ( by our fabulous, job creating government ) that we have to install yet MORE stuff, at a cost of many MORE millions, to cut it even further.

Those millions involved in cutting the CO2 further ( even though further gains will be fractional at best ) are most likely going to cause the closing of the company.

Of course, if we close down, then I suppose the Libs can rest easy.

There will be one less place putting any CO2 into the air...and they'll have even more people on the welfare rolls that are likely to keep voting for them so as not to lose their benefits.

There's no arguing pollution.

The tax is based on CO2. A natural food for plant life to exist. Companies are manufacturing it to force down wells to extract oil. If it were harmful, they wouldn't be allowed to use it.

There is no such thing as too much CO2.

It's just there are some sheeple who will support the Obummer agenda no matter how asinine it is.

moderation...there is such a thing as to much of any thing...eg..alcoholics,obesity,sun tanning,exhaust, etc...and plenty of things have been known to be bad that the government allowed because of corps like big oil, rx companies,etc lining their pockets with $$$$$$$$...FACT

But...amazingly enough....

There's no such thing as too much " OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! " B.S.???

30 years ago...it was Global Cooling that was going to kill us because it was gonna be another Ice Age.

This time around...it's Global Warming.

Never, EVER are you going to see " Hey...ya know what??? We're just FINE " because THAT wouldn't fit into the government's need ( and I am NOT talking about only Liberals or Conservatives, but government in general ) to keep the people under their control.

Every dictator in history KNEW that the best way to keep the people in line was to keep them living in fear.

Our government, in ALL of it's forms, is doing EXACTLY what those dictators did. They are just being more shady about it.

my understanding is that almost all the global warming models have west Texas and Arizona becoming semi tropical with twenty times the current annual rainfall

I think I'm all for it

Notice that there are an awful lot of people in warmer/tropical climates doing all the shouting about Global Warming???

They don't want their little paradise to be turned into Siberia...even if it means Siberia would turn into the tropics...lol

I mean...how could anyone LIVE in San Diego if there wasn't sunshine every day???

I have a old Navy buddy in Buffalo and he is praying for global warming

Ha I'd bet a lot of people in D.C. are wishing that also.

This is such and old argument....YES we are messing this planet up!!! YES we need change!!!!! BUT WE NEED JOBS!!!! WHY CANT THE DUMBAZZ'S in Washington work together and find a solution????? BECAUSE THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PARTIES!!!! SAME CRAP FROM BOTH SIDES!!!!!!