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Topic: Is Liberal, Intellectual Condescension Really the Problem?
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SATURDAY 13 FEBRUARY 2010

Is Liberal, Intellectual Condescension Really the Problem?

Saturday 13 February 2010

by: Glynn Wilson, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed

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A conservative professor of politics at the University of Virginia recently wrote a column in the Washington Post asking the question: Why are liberals so condescending?

In the setup, he writes, "Every political community includes some members who insist that their side has all the answers and that their adversaries are idiots. But American liberals, to a degree far surpassing conservatives, appear committed to the proposition that their views are correct, self-evident and based on fact and reason, while conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration. Indeed, all the appeals to bipartisanship notwithstanding, President Obama and other leading liberal voices have joined in a chorus of intellectual condescension."

Later on, he adds, "This condescension is part of a liberal tradition that for generations has impoverished American debates over the economy, society and the functions of government - and threatens to do so again today, when dialogue would be more valuable than ever."

Rather than posting a comment on the Post's Web site to point out how the professor has it so wrong, let's take his argument apart here.

First of all, he starts out with an obvious bit of false spin, just like the conservative commentators on TV he seems to try to defend.

"Even with Democratic fortunes on the wane, leading liberals insist that they have almost nothing to learn from conservatives."

On the wane? President Barack Obama's personal popularity is the same as Ronald Reagan's after one year in office, and the Democrats still have a majority in both houses of Congress. Just because TV pundits are saying the Democrats may lose a few seats in the mid-term election in 2010 doesn't mean their fortunes are totally "on the wane."

In fact, it has been pointed out over and over again that the Republican Party is all but dead, except among white males mostly in the South. Just because one Republican won a Congressional race in Massachusetts doesn't mean the Republicans are about to take back the country tomorrow. The election is still 10 months away. Anything can happen and probably will.

"Many Democrats describe their troubles simply as a PR challenge, a combination of conservative misinformation - as when Obama charges that critics of health-care reform are peddling fake fears of a 'Bolshevik plot,'" according to the professor.

Well, isn't that true? Conservatives are good at oversimplifying things into wedge-issue sound bites. The administration of George W. Bush proved the anti-government party couldn't govern.

Bashing government is a campaign ploy, not an alternative plan to get rid of the deficit.

While seeming to dismantle liberal thinking, the professor simply bolsters it.

He writes, "Prominent studies and journalistic accounts of right-wing politics ... stressed paranoia, intolerance and insecurity, rendering conservative thought more a psychiatric disorder than a rival.... Richard Hofstadter referred to 'the Manichaean style of thought, the apocalyptic tendencies, the love of mystification, the intolerance of compromise that are observable in the right-wing mind.'"

This appears to be way more true today than it was in the 1950's and 1960's. I wonder if the professor bothered to catch any of the coverage of the Tea Party convention in Nashville?

The professor talks of four major narratives about who conservatives are and how they think and function, and rather than offering a real counter to that, the professor proves the case.

The first narrative is the "vast right-wing conspiracy," a vision that "maintains that conservatives win elections and policy debates not because they triumph in the open battle of ideas but because they deploy brilliant and sinister campaign tactics. A dense network of professional political strategists such as Karl Rove, think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation and industry groups allegedly manipulate information and mislead the public."

All true. Where's the evidence it's not true? The professor doesn't offer any. He just calls liberals "condescending." For what? Being right?

He goes on to prove the case.

"This liberal vision emphasizes the dissemination of ideologically driven views from sympathetic media such as the Fox News Channel. For example, Chris Mooney's book, "The Republican War on Science," argues that policy debates in the scientific arena are distorted by conservatives who disregard evidence and reflect the biases of industry-backed Republican politicians or of evangelicals aimlessly shielding the world from modernity. In this interpretation, conservative arguments are invariably false and deployed only cynically."

Yes, and your point? We know that the Bush administration spent eight excruciating years using industry lobbyists to run just about every government agency. That is an indisputable fact. Every news organization in the country, including the conservative Wall Street Journal, documented the war on science at the EPA, the Interior Department and on and on.

Is it an equal political argument to say it is a "liberal conspiracy of condescension" and use innuendo to imply that there was no war on science?

Perhaps the professor should visit one of the hard science departments at the University of Virginia and ask some of them what they think. Or are all scientists just liberals who scapegoat Christian conservatives for standing in the way of progress on solving real problems, like the energy crisis and climate change due to human-induced global warming?

The professor says, "Some observers have decried an anti-intellectual strain in contemporary conservatism, detected in George W. Bush's aw-shucks style, Sarah Palin's college-hopping and the occasional conservative campaigns against egghead intellectuals."

Duh. What is untrue about that? They all learned it from George Wallace in Alabama in the late 1960's and 1970's, which is what allowed Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush to be elected president in the first place. There is a host of scholarship on the "Dixie Strategy." I mean, just Google it.

There is not a serious political scholar anywhere who would really deny this at the end of the day. Politics is a game of words. Half the population has no clue about the facts. Whoever wins the spin war wins the election. That is politics American-style.

Obama has it right. The Democrats should keep hitting the Republicans where they live, in the land of Oz, and they will stay on top.

What the professor could have said, if he wanted us to take his case seriously, is that the Democrats have to prove they can govern by getting some concrete things done. Otherwise, they will lose enough of the independent vote to cost them elections.

Of course, it is hard to get things done when "the party of no" filibusters every good idea just to stop progress so they can maybe win an election.

Obama has already said he will listen to their ideas. He has bent over backwards to try to work with the GOP, even to the consternation of many liberal Democrats who have tried to tell the president they won't listen, they have no ideas and they won't help govern because it is not in their political interest to solve problems.

It is in their interest to flash Tina Fey glasses and ignorant, extremist sound bites at the masses, hoping to fool enough of the people some of the time. That was Sarah Palin's job in Nashville. She has no chance of getting elected to anything. She is a spoiler who keeps the anti-Democrat crusade going another day on TV.

Alabama's very own Ten Commandments Judge called Obama immoral. Does the professor really think that is true and that it will win elections? Where is the alternative governing strategy in that?

Answer: There's not one. It is nothing but spin. Is it condescension to point that out? I think not ...

http://www.truthout.org/is-liberal-intellectual-condescension-really-problem56879

He makes some good points.

Besides that noone can be as condescending as a conservative with a grudge. We see on here constantly.

Quietman_2009's photo
Sat 02/13/10 01:50 PM
anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending

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Sat 02/13/10 01:54 PM

anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


drinker

Dragoness's photo
Sat 02/13/10 01:59 PM

anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


I did not see the liberals telling anyone how to live their lives. You ?

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Sat 02/13/10 02:03 PM
Edited by heavenlyboy34 on Sat 02/13/10 02:03 PM


anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


I did not see the liberals telling anyone how to live their lives. You ?


They're in the government, academia, media, and think tanks trying to make and influence laws/policy telling others how to live their lives on a regular basis-same as conservatives. :tongue:

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Sat 02/13/10 02:05 PM
Edited by JustAGuy2112 on Sat 02/13/10 02:06 PM


anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


I did not see the liberals telling anyone how to live their lives. You ?


Ummm...do you pay ZERO attention to anything at all??

" Go Green/Global Warming/Death of mankind if you don't use the right kind of light bulb " stuff is the domain of the Liberals.

Are you telling us that ISN'T trying to tell us how we should run our lives??

Of course, that comment comes from someone who says that Republican is the party of bigots and racists. Which basically tells everyone that she is better than anyone who happens to be a Republican...or even a conservative since she seems to equate the two.

How condescending is that??

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Sat 02/13/10 02:07 PM



anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


I did not see the liberals telling anyone how to live their lives. You ?


They're in the government, academia, media, and think tanks trying to make and influence laws/policy telling others how to live their lives on a regular basis-same as conservatives. :tongue:


Understood but the philosophy behind being liberal is to allow more diversity and difference not restrict it.

So how can a liberal be telling people how to live? They are trying free not restrict like conservatives are.

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Sat 02/13/10 02:08 PM




anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


I did not see the liberals telling anyone how to live their lives. You ?


They're in the government, academia, media, and think tanks trying to make and influence laws/policy telling others how to live their lives on a regular basis-same as conservatives. :tongue:


Understood but the philosophy behind being liberal is to allow more diversity and difference not restrict it.

So how can a liberal be telling people how to live? They are trying free not restrict like conservatives are.


Would you consider Al Gore to be conservative??? How long has he been telling us how we should live so we don't " destroy the planet ( as if we actually COULD )??

The prosecution rests.


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Sat 02/13/10 02:46 PM



anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


I did not see the liberals telling anyone how to live their lives. You ?


Ummm...do you pay ZERO attention to anything at all??

" Go Green/Global Warming/Death of mankind if you don't use the right kind of light bulb " stuff is the domain of the Liberals.

Are you telling us that ISN'T trying to tell us how we should run our lives??

Of course, that comment comes from someone who says that Republican is the party of bigots and racists. Which basically tells everyone that she is better than anyone who happens to be a Republican...or even a conservative since she seems to equate the two.

How condescending is that??


As condescending as hijacking a thread to tell someone else they 'need to get over themselves'?


-Kerry O.

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Sat 02/13/10 03:10 PM




anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


I did not see the liberals telling anyone how to live their lives. You ?


Ummm...do you pay ZERO attention to anything at all??

" Go Green/Global Warming/Death of mankind if you don't use the right kind of light bulb " stuff is the domain of the Liberals.

Are you telling us that ISN'T trying to tell us how we should run our lives??

Of course, that comment comes from someone who says that Republican is the party of bigots and racists. Which basically tells everyone that she is better than anyone who happens to be a Republican...or even a conservative since she seems to equate the two.

How condescending is that??


As condescending as hijacking a thread to tell someone else they 'need to get over themselves'?


-Kerry O.


Nearly as condescending as coming into a thread and bringing up something that happened several days ago and has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Looks like you STILL need to get over yourself.

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Sat 02/13/10 03:16 PM





anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


I did not see the liberals telling anyone how to live their lives. You ?


Ummm...do you pay ZERO attention to anything at all??

" Go Green/Global Warming/Death of mankind if you don't use the right kind of light bulb " stuff is the domain of the Liberals.

Are you telling us that ISN'T trying to tell us how we should run our lives??

Of course, that comment comes from someone who says that Republican is the party of bigots and racists. Which basically tells everyone that she is better than anyone who happens to be a Republican...or even a conservative since she seems to equate the two.

How condescending is that??


As condescending as hijacking a thread to tell someone else they 'need to get over themselves'?


-Kerry O.


Nearly as condescending as coming into a thread and bringing up something that happened several days ago and has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Looks like you STILL need to get over yourself.



Like someone on this thread said, "The Prosecution rests." :)

-Kerry O.

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Sat 02/13/10 03:16 PM




anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


I did not see the liberals telling anyone how to live their lives. You ?


They're in the government, academia, media, and think tanks trying to make and influence laws/policy telling others how to live their lives on a regular basis-same as conservatives. :tongue:


Understood but the philosophy behind being liberal is to allow more diversity and difference not restrict it.

So how can a liberal be telling people how to live? They are trying free not restrict like conservatives are.


You're thinking of classical liberalism (Bastiat, Paine, etc.). Modern liberalism uses the coercive force of the State just as much as the other Statist party-they just use a different type of rhetoric.

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Sat 02/13/10 04:14 PM
Edited by cashu on Sat 02/13/10 04:15 PM



anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


I did not see the liberals telling anyone how to live their lives. You ?


Ummm...do you pay ZERO attention to anything at all??

" Go Green/Global Warming/Death of mankind if you don't use the right kind of light bulb " stuff is the domain of the Liberals.

Are you telling us that ISN'T trying to tell us how we should run our lives??AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I agree with you on this idea and the professor . the only thing libs are good for is to make the plants grow faster


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Sat 02/13/10 06:07 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Sat 02/13/10 06:08 PM




anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


I did not see the liberals telling anyone how to live their lives. You ?


They're in the government, academia, media, and think tanks trying to make and influence laws/policy telling others how to live their lives on a regular basis-same as conservatives. :tongue:


Understood but the philosophy behind being liberal is to allow more diversity and difference not restrict it.

So how can a liberal be telling people how to live? They are trying free not restrict like conservatives are.


Some conservative minds tend to jump to conclusions and are not able to change once imprinted. Also:

"Liberals had more brain activity and made fewer mistakes than conservatives "

http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,2687256.story

Liberal minds are able to look at an issue objectively and base an opinion on multiple evidences. Our resident cons are just parroting GOP/FOX/AM Radio/T-bagging talking points...AKA often complete lies.












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Sat 02/13/10 06:17 PM



anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


I did not see the liberals telling anyone how to live their lives. You ?


Ummm...do you pay ZERO attention to anything at all??

" Go Green/Global Warming/Death of mankind if you don't use the right kind of light bulb " stuff is the domain of the Liberals.

Are you telling us that ISN'T trying to tell us how we should run our lives??

Of course, that comment comes from someone who says that Republican is the party of bigots and racists. Which basically tells everyone that she is better than anyone who happens to be a Republican...or even a conservative since she seems to equate the two.

How condescending is that??


Suggesting a light bulb is dictating?

The republican party houses most of the bigots and racists of this country. Not all of them but most. It is because the philosophy of the conservative republican party goes along with and allows the racist and bigot philosophy, it even gives it legitimacy because the places to further the racist philosophy are behind the conservative rhetoric.. Hell those who don't consider themselves racist who follow the conservative republican philosophy help the racists and bigots without even knowing they do it.

That isn't condescending at all, it just happens to be the fact of the matter.


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Sat 02/13/10 06:19 PM





anybody, liberal or conservative, that thinks they know better how you should live your life is condescending


I did not see the liberals telling anyone how to live their lives. You ?


They're in the government, academia, media, and think tanks trying to make and influence laws/policy telling others how to live their lives on a regular basis-same as conservatives. :tongue:


Understood but the philosophy behind being liberal is to allow more diversity and difference not restrict it.

So how can a liberal be telling people how to live? They are trying free not restrict like conservatives are.


Would you consider Al Gore to be conservative??? How long has he been telling us how we should live so we don't " destroy the planet ( as if we actually COULD )??

The prosecution rests.




Again suggesting that we try to save our planet is a bad thing?


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Sat 02/13/10 06:22 PM
what I think of when I hear the term liberal is that they are open to all whether or not they agree with the opinions or beliefs of others.

A lot of liberals I have seen aren't this way unless it goes along with their views. Just like wanting to silence the opposition. If the opposition (such as Fox) reports something that is slander, then that person can sue them.
ohwell

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Sat 02/13/10 06:29 PM
Liberals will support and defend outsourcing, giving our jobs to Illegal Invading Immigrants, ACORN, bailouts, the Patriot Act and anything Obummer says he wants.

Dragoness's photo
Sat 02/13/10 06:31 PM

Liberals will support and defend outsourcing, giving our jobs to Illegal Invading Immigrants, ACORN, bailouts, the Patriot Act and anything Obummer says he wants.


Not true.

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Sat 02/13/10 06:33 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Sat 02/13/10 06:35 PM
hahahahahaha

I hear both sides in here, in this very thread, saying we don't but the other side does. the other side is racist or socialist or wants to strip the free speech rights of news media that they dont like

and you people actually beleive that shiit

this country is doomed because of people like you all

both sides try to dictate to Americans how they should live their lives and that is why both sides are pretty much despised by most non-partisan non-political Americans

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